Kiffin may be in big trouble

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thehardknoxlife said:
Mental health break? Can I get one of those in life? I'm on Kiffins side. Kids are getting soft af. Man up.
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Yep--you show up when your boss wants to talk. You don't say "I'll meet when I'm ready". I'd be fired in a heartbeat. You go speak to the coach and tell him the issues....aka doing the right thing. Then fact he's suing for a total of 40 million further illustrates that's its BS.
 
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malinoisvol said:
What is it called when a GI doesn't show up for duty for 2 or 3 weeks? What could be the penalty?
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In the Navy we referred to it as Unauthorized Absence or Absence without Leave depending on the case. Most cases absence is avoidable and penalty is determined at Captain's Mast but the are cases considered as unavoidable with mental capacity being one of them.

Max penalties ranges from confinement for 1 month, reduction to the lowest enlisted grade, and forfeiture of two-thirds pay per month for 1 month to bad conduct discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, reduction to the lowest enlisted grade, and confinement for 1 year.

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thehardknoxlife said:
Mental health break? Can I get one of those in life? I'm on Kiffins side. Kids are getting soft af. Man up.
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I don't know the kid or the conditions of his home life, but he says he was severely depressed after his grandmother passed away. Maybe he really was. Maybe that grandmother raised him.
I've experienced crippling depression, and it's not something you can easily just "man up" for.
Regardless, suicide among young adults is WAY up over the past few years, so it's just not something you can call someone's bluff on. I'm sure Kiffin has been through enough HR sessions that he has heard that before. I think he's definitely in the wrong here.
 
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Messed up case. I don't think Kiffin did anything wrong. but playing football isn't a job. it specifically isn't the real world. Remember how we don't want it to become a professional sport? and this was the offseason, so its not like he was having to "report" to Kiffin anyway during the time.

definitely going to hurt Kiffin's reputation. but I don't see it hurting his career beyond any indirect changes.
 
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LouderVol said:
Messed up case. I don't think Kiffin did anything wrong. but playing football isn't a job. it specifically isn't the real world. Remember how we don't want it to become a professional sport? and this was the offseason, so its not like he was having to "report" to Kiffin anyway during the time.

definitely going to hurt Kiffin's reputation. but I don't see it hurting his career beyond any indirect changes.
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The players attempting to unionize will disagree with you.
 
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How is LK supposed to know what this kid is going thru if the kids doesn't speak with him ...LK didn't do anything wrong and the kids is hiding behind BS....I think LK had him owned right when he said your problem worked go away the minute h got out back on defense
 
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Panthro said:
I don't know the kid or the conditions of his home life, but he says he was severely depressed after his grandmother passed away. Maybe he really was. Maybe that grandmother raised him.
I've experienced crippling depression, and it's not something you can easily just "man up" for.
Regardless, suicide among young adults is WAY up over the past few years, so it's just not something you can call someone's bluff on. I'm sure Kiffin has been through enough HR sessions that he has heard that before. I think he's definitely in the wrong here.
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The mental health break has to be treated like an injury by the team. The player needs to be given help, just as tough it were a hamstring pull, and some help to get better.

If Ole Miss was providing counseling and help and this guy was attending those and they felt he shouldn't meet with the coach then he will have those people on his side in this.

It's like an injury rehab. If the guy is working on his hamstring pull, making his training sessions, doing his exercises, and it's still not better..... the doc and training staff will stand up to the coach (or should) if he's trying to rush him back.

If the player has been skipping the trainer, not doing his exercises, and then is not wanting to meet with the coach about it...... you're gone.

You don't get to decide your own treatment for your hamstring or your mental health. There's people who are employed by the team to manage injury treatment. If this guy's going outside of the procedure, he's gone. He agreed to let injuries AND mental health situations be managed by the team. If he's not doing that, he's gone.
 
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davethevol said:
Kiffin is a dirtbag, but his players generally like him because he has their backs. I bet Kiffin and this guy’s position coaches had witnessed a pattern of behavior that they deemed to be disrespectful. I agree with Kiffin, that if he requested the guy show up several times and the guy didn’t, he’s got to be kicked off the team. He tried to setup Kiffin so he could get a pay day.
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Kiffin just wanted his scholarship. Pretty simple. Whether Kiffin acted wrong is another matter, it just comes down to the scholarship.
 
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OrangeVolMan said:
Kiffin just wanted his scholarship. Pretty simple. Whether Kiffin acted wrong is another matter, it just comes down to the scholarship.
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The complaint says Kiffin told him to hit the portal. He declined. After that, he declined to speak with the coach anymore.

I'm not sure what he thought was going to happen after Kiffin told him he was headed to the portal or to the practice squad on offense, instead of defense.

Kiffin was going to try to run him off since he declined to transfer so he just avoided him and expected his scholarship to continue. So you want to keep the scholarship, not talk to the person who gave you the scholarship, not practice, not play...... just keep the scholarship?

Again, he's going to have to prove that professionals determined he couldn't meet the coach or he's gone and his lawsuit is gone.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
The complaint says Kiffin told him to hit the portal. He declined. After that, he declined to speak with the coach anymore.

I'm not sure what he thought was going to happen after Kiffin told him he was headed to the portal or to the practice squad on offense, instead of defense.

Kiffin was going to try to run him off since he declined to transfer so he just avoided him and expected his scholarship to continue. So you want to keep the scholarship, not talk to the person who gave you the scholarship, not practice, not play...... just keep the scholarship?

Again, he's going to have to prove that professionals determined he couldn't meet the coach or he's gone and his lawsuit is gone.
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it is possible to get a medical scholarship. They don't count to the 85 but they keep their scholarship.
 
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Panthro said:
This part won't go over well:

"It's called being a p---y," Kiffin said. "It's called hiding behind s--- and not showing up to work."
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I have a problem with the first statement, not the second.
Not a cool move for someone struggling, but the second point is accurate.
Calling the young man a p---y is not professional, especially in a one on one situation. It's one thing to insult a group of players, another to say that individually.
 
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SpookyAction said:
I have a problem with the first statement, not the second.
Not a cool move for someone struggling, but the second point is accurate.
Calling the young man a p---y is not professional, especially in a one on one situation. It's one thing to insult a group of players, another to say that individually.
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And the fact of the matter is that A LOT of kids have absolutely no paternal figure in their lives. I'm completely stereotyping here, but if this kid was raised by his grandmother, he may have not had a father figure. In that instance, the Head Coach has the opportunity to fill that roll for the kid.
Calling him a p*ssy is so demoralizing!

Even if Kiffin is right and the kid is trying to take advantage of the situation, it's a real "coaching" opportunity. Take the kid to lunch and get to the bottom of things. Find out what inspires him. Find out what connects with him and gets the most out of him. That's what Huepel is doing with these kids at Tennessee right now, and it's working.
 
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LouderVol said:
it is possible to get a medical scholarship. They don't count to the 85 but they keep their scholarship.
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That's apparently the sticking point here. If the player has a diagnosis of a medical condition, that's possible.

Perhaps it's just spin or lousy reporting but I'm not seeing the statement: I had a medical diagnosis from team assigned healthcare personnel that kept me from meeting my obligations to the team and Kiffin ignored that.

I'm seeing: Coach kept asking to see me and I said, "I'm not ready." It's needs to be made clear that his counselors or some medical personnel or someone with some training in mental health agreed and passed on the "he's not able to see you, coach."

You don't just get to blow off meetings with the coach with "I'm not ready" and expect to stay on the team.
 
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I can’t help but think there is a lot more to this story for both sides. A kid who’s having a mental health crisis and ignores pleas to communicate with the staff has the wherewithall to secretly tape an emotionally charged meeting with the head coach. I’m guessing he had some coaching , just not from the football staff. Doesn’t excuse LK, just might shed some light
 
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SpookyAction said:
I have a problem with the first statement, not the second.
Not a cool move for someone struggling, but the second point is accurate.
Calling the young man a p---y is not professional, especially in a one on one situation. It's one thing to insult a group of players, another to say that individually.
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Well, not to mention insulting 49.74% of the world's population. :rolleyes:
 
#45
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I just realized Kiffin calling anybody a P----y is a bit on point.
IMO
He is the world's oldest teenager since Dick Clark died.
 
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