Kiffin Stirring the Pot Already: "Disgrace" Per USA Today

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I would've for sure expected Durkin to go to Rutgers. Really not too surprised, given Kiffin's non-existent moral standards.
 
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it's been trendy and cool for everyone to throw all the blame at the feet of Durkin, even saying some things that are wildly untrue about him, but the reality is the independent report and the school's report all found that the training staff and specifically the strength and conditioning coach were responsible for the kids death. Yes, the head coach is accountable for the environment that goes on there, but he was not found liable or even indicated as being in any way responsible for this kid's untimely death. This culture we have now of trying to permanently destroy everyone in exchange for clicks and retweets is way out of hand.
 
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MontyPython said:
Kiffin just can't help but to play with fire. Lawdy. How long do you give him until Ole Miss is slapped by NCAA for violations?

Grateful we lucked into getting Pruitt.

Ole Miss hiring of former Maryland coach a disgrace
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I may be mistaken but Durkin was cleared right? Seems like if he was not cleared, he would have gotten fired with cause and not receiving a buyout. Regardless of it being Kiffin, the outrage for a guy getting a second chance after being cleared is insane.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
Brian Kelly has a high profile job and is solely responsible for a death.

Until he is fired then Durkin has every rignt to get a job
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I don’t agree with this take. I lived in Ohio for a bit and people despised Brian Kelly because “he killed a kid”.

Kelly didn’t put a gun to the kid’s head and make him get in the lift. Sure he prolly shouldn’t have allegedly threatened the kids manager/staff job but the kid wasn’t in school for that first and foremost.

At some point, there has to be some personal responsibility for the kid choosing to go up there.

The Brian Kelly is a Murderer crowd always bothered me
 
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JMSqb11 said:
I don’t agree with this take. I lived in Ohio for a bit and people despised Brian Kelly because “he killed a kid”.

Kelly didn’t put a gun to the kid’s head and make him get in the lift. Sure he prolly shouldn’t have allegedly threatened the kids manager/staff job but the kid wasn’t in school for that first and foremost.

At some point, there has to be some personal responsibility for the kid choosing to go up there.

The Brian Kelly is a Murderer crowd always bothered me
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The way he handled being questioned about it is what I have a problem with. He more less laughed it off. He also demanded he film the practice among other things so saying he’s completely innocent or it’s all on the kid isn’t right.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
The way he handled being questioned about it is what I have a problem with. He more less laughed it off. He also demanded he film the practice among other things so saying he’s completely innocent or it’s all on the kid isn’t right.
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Even if he demanded it, the kid ultimately chose to get up in the lift.

It’s no different than your boss telling you to do something that feel is dangerous or potential risk of injury to yourself. Even if you could be fired, would you do what your boss says blindly or make a choice and say no?

Not saying you are but the biggest and loudest crowd vs Kelly were folks saying what he did was essentially put a gun to the kids head and sent him up in the lift. I don’t agree with that.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Even if he demanded it, the kid ultimately chose to get up in the lift.

It’s no different than your boss telling you to do something that feel is dangerous or potential risk of injury to yourself. Even if you could be fired, would you do what your boss says blindly or make a choice and say no?

Not saying you are but the biggest and loudest crowd vs Kelly were folks saying what he did was essentially put a gun to the kids head and sent him up in the lift. I don’t agree with that.
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He’s ultimately responsible for all things to do with the football program. If your a film student and it’s your job to do it as part of the class then of course you would. At that point he has to take accountability for him and it’s no different than a player. Yes, at some point you have to take your safety into your own hands but some guys aren’t that type and don’t think in the moment.

Again, he handled the situation poorly and when questioned his actions were poor. That’s inexcusable in my book. Durkin is ultimately responsible for the kid passing as well. It’s no different but as long as Kelly has a job Durkin can too.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
I don’t agree with this take. I lived in Ohio for a bit and people despised Brian Kelly because “he killed a kid”.

Kelly didn’t put a gun to the kid’s head and make him get in the lift. Sure he prolly shouldn’t have allegedly threatened the kids manager/staff job but the kid wasn’t in school for that first and foremost.

At some point, there has to be some personal responsibility for the kid choosing to go up there.

The Brian Kelly is a Murderer crowd always bothered me
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If you were in Ohio then you should know that on the same day Ohio State moved their practices inside. Jim Tressel said it was because they were worried about the kids filming up on the lifts.

Is Brian Kelly a murderer? No. Did Brian Kelly contribute to someone's death by a grotesque and obvious act of negligence? Absolutely.
 
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ShoalCreekVol said:
it's been trendy and cool for everyone to throw all the blame at the feet of Durkin, even saying some things that are wildly untrue about him, but the reality is the independent report and the school's report all found that the training staff and specifically the strength and conditioning coach were responsible for the kids death. Yes, the head coach is accountable for the environment that goes on there, but he was not found liable or even indicated as being in any way responsible for this kid's untimely death. This culture we have now of trying to permanently destroy everyone in exchange for clicks and retweets is way out of hand.
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Maryland didn't fire Durkin "for clicks and retweets." Maryland fired him because he established a football culture that resulted in a student's death.
 
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ShoalCreekVol said:
it's been trendy and cool for everyone to throw all the blame at the feet of Durkin, even saying some things that are wildly untrue about him, but the reality is the independent report and the school's report all found that the training staff and specifically the strength and conditioning coach were responsible for the kids death. Yes, the head coach is accountable for the environment that goes on there, but he was not found liable or even indicated as being in any way responsible for this kid's untimely death. This culture we have now of trying to permanently destroy everyone in exchange for clicks and retweets is way out of hand.
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It is notable that Jordan McNair's father, Martin, does consider DJ Durkin responsible for the death of his son. The investigations you speak of, did absolve Durkin of any direct culpability for the death of Jordan McNair... but that doesn't mean that there weren't measures which should have been taken that would have prevented this from happening. It will be used against Durkin on the recruiting trail... that's for damn sure.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
If you were in Ohio then you should know that on the same day Ohio State moved their practices inside. Jim Tressel said it was because they were worried about the kids filming up on the lifts.

Is Brian Kelly a murderer? No. Did Brian Kelly contribute to someone's death by a grotesque and obvious act of negligence? Absolutely.
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Sure. The idiot Ohio State fans were claiming their usual holier than Thou mindset when Brian Kelly was mentioned.

At the end of the day, that kid chose to get up in the lift. He wasn’t forced against his will. He also could have fought losing his “job” if fired by kelly given the circumstances.

The selective choosing of personql responsibility this day and age is so inconsistent and sadly, it’s all about fandom.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Even if he demanded it, the kid ultimately chose to get up in the lift.

It’s no different than your boss telling you to do something that feel is dangerous or potential risk of injury to yourself. Even if you could be fired, would you do what your boss says blindly or make a choice and say no?

Not saying you are but the biggest and loudest crowd vs Kelly were folks saying what he did was essentially put a gun to the kids head and sent him up in the lift. I don’t agree with that.
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How is this different than Durkin/Maryland? Kid should have stopped if he was feeling bad
 
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LouderVol said:
How is this different than Durkin/Maryland? Kid should have stopped if he was feeling bad
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No kid who’s played football is gonna quit in front of his brothers. I’m sure that’s what he was wrestling with as he tried to push through.

Yes, both coaches should have stepped in and called practice. Durkin was held responsible Kelly should have been as well and not laughed when questioned about it.

I’ll always think the man is flat out scum and shouldn’t be coaching but since he’s at ND people think he’s the Pope.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Maryland didn't fire Durkin "for clicks and retweets." Maryland fired him because he established a football culture that resulted in a student's death.
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I wasn't referring to Maryland when I said that, I was referring to all the media people - including the very biased wacko writers who are blowing up Twitter claiming that "DJ Durkin literally killed a kid." An outright lie used recklessly to destroy someone.

A lot of people will embrace that storyline, but the reality is the training staff and the strength and conditioning coach were found liable in that case. If Maryland had found that Durkin was liable in the kid's death, they would have fired him with cause. Instead, they fired him without cause and that was more about the other things in the football culture that they uncovered while investigating McNair's death.

There were tons of red flags found in Durkin's program, and he really doesn't need to be a head coach again, at least for a long long time. But Ole Miss is hiring him to be an assistant, so he will not be responsible for culture and he will be supervised by people who are.
 
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hog88 said:
He doesn't have a history of getting programs put on probation.
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Tennessee was placed on probation by the NCAA for infractions committed during Lane Kiffin's one and only season. The penalties weren't severe, so nobody remembers it. Among the many violations, assistant Willie Mack Garza illegally funded a prospect's unofficial visit during the 2009 season and misled NCAA enforcement officials about it. Tennessee was on probation for four years, I believe. The penalties included a reduction in the number of official visits during the 2012-13 academic year and a reduction in evaluation days for coaches. In addition, Tennessee couldn't provide free tickets to recruits for the first two SEC games of 2013.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Sure. The idiot Ohio State fans were claiming their usual holier than Thou mindset when Brian Kelly was mentioned.

At the end of the day, that kid chose to get up in the lift. He wasn’t forced against his will. He also could have fought losing his “job” if fired by kelly given the circumstances.

The selective choosing of personql responsibility this day and age is so inconsistent and sadly, it’s all about fandom.
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Part of that kid's calculus in deciding to get in the lift that day was the expectation that Notre Dame football, which is a $100 million plus enterprise, will exercise minimally competent oversight of its operations. You're supposed to be able to take for granted that someone in the organization knows the safe operating conditions for that equipment. Which is why Notre Dame was cited for multiple workplace violations, and if Declan Sullivan's parents had sued it would have been a slam-dunk dozens-of-millions-of-dollars.

It's not Declan Sullivan's "personal responsibility" that he's dead any more than it would be yours if you plummeted to your death in an office building's elevator and you hadn't personally inspected their certificates before you got in.
 
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