Kiffin Stirring the Pot Already: "Disgrace" Per USA Today

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Vercingetorix said:
Part of that kid's calculus in deciding to get in the lift that day was the expectation that Notre Dame football, which is a $100 million plus enterprise, will exercise minimally competent oversight of its operations. You're supposed to be able to take for granted that someone in the organization knows the safe operating conditions for that equipment. Which is why Notre Dame was cited for multiple workplace violations, and if Declan Sullivan's parents had sued it would have been a slam-dunk dozens-of-millions-of-dollars.

It's not Declan Sullivan's "personal responsibility" that he's dead any more than it would be yours if you plummeted to your death in an office building's elevator and you hadn't personally inspected their certificates before you got in.
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Except in your scenario, I wouldn't be able to inspect the elevator at will. However, they were outside. Everyone was aware of the weather and wind conditions.

You're making an apples to oranges comparison
 
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ShoalCreekVol said:
it's been trendy and cool for everyone to throw all the blame at the feet of Durkin, even saying some things that are wildly untrue about him, but the reality is the independent report and the school's report all found that the training staff and specifically the strength and conditioning coach were responsible for the kids death. Yes, the head coach is accountable for the environment that goes on there, but he was not found liable or even indicated as being in any way responsible for this kid's untimely death. This culture we have now of trying to permanently destroy everyone in exchange for clicks and retweets is way out of hand.
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Moral authorities and snowflakes.
 
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What the Media has Done with Durkin is called him out which is the same thing we did with Shiano. Yet we are the crazy ones.
Pot calling Kettle Black...
 
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Dudleys87 said:
Brian Kelly has a high profile job and is solely responsible for a death.

Until he is fired then Durkin has every rignt to get a job
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Oof. Talk about histrionics. Do you have any proof Kelly forced that kid up on the lift? Multiple investigations certainly never found proof.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Even if he demanded it, the kid ultimately chose to get up in the lift.

It’s no different than your boss telling you to do something that feel is dangerous or potential risk of injury to yourself. Even if you could be fired, would you do what your boss says blindly or make a choice and say no?

Not saying you are but the biggest and loudest crowd vs Kelly were folks saying what he did was essentially put a gun to the kids head and sent him up in the lift. I don’t agree with that.
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That is like the defective seat belt companies telling people that if they get killed in an accident they did not tell them to drive the car. Kelly is directly responsible for the kids death.
 
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I mean as long as another kid doesn't die during workouts....everything should be fine.....right?
 
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onevol74 said:
That is like the defective seat belt companies telling people that if they get killed in an accident they did not tell them to drive the car. Kelly is directly responsible for the kids death.
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Did Kelly psychically put him in the lift and raise? Should be an easy yes or no answer.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Did Kelly psychically put him in the lift and raise? Should be an easy yes or no answer.
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I’m sure he didn’t physically do it but Id be lying if I said I didn’t think he’d verbally threaten the kid for not doing what he was there to do.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
I’m sure he didn’t physically do it but Id be lying if I said I didn’t think he’d verbally threaten the kid for not doing what he was there to do.
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Great. The kid was in college. This would be no different in corporate world where you refuse to do something your boss says to that makes you feel safe. You object and talk to HR afterwards. But I’m sure the kid being alive and possibly losing his position is just a crAzier alternative.
 
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ShoalCreekVol said:
it's been trendy and cool for everyone to throw all the blame at the feet of Durkin, even saying some things that are wildly untrue about him, but the reality is the independent report and the school's report all found that the training staff and specifically the strength and conditioning coach were responsible for the kids death. Yes, the head coach is accountable for the environment that goes on there, but he was not found liable or even indicated as being in any way responsible for this kid's untimely death. This culture we have now of trying to permanently destroy everyone in exchange for clicks and retweets is way out of hand.
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He created the culture. Passing the blame is like saying ok who wants to fall on the sword or draw the short straw. Remember, everyone said the same about Joe but he knew about Sandusky too.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Great. The kid was in college. This would be no different in corporate world where you refuse to do something your boss says to that makes you feel safe. You object and talk to HR afterwards. But I’m sure the kid being alive and possibly losing his position is just a crAzier alternative.
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No, I what I’m saying is Kelly wanted it done. I have every reason in the world to believe he threatened the kid by telling him he’ll go to X person if he didn’t do what he was told. Do you really think as far as the investigation goes that it was fair? Heaven forbid they cast a dark shadow on ND...
 
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Dudleys87 said:
No, I what I’m saying is Kelly wanted it done. I have every reason in the world to believe he threatened the kid by telling him he’ll go to X person if he didn’t do what he was told. Do you really think as far as the investigation goes that it was fair? Heaven forbid they cast a dark shadow on ND...
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Once again, the kid chose himself to get into the lift. No one else.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Once again, the kid chose himself to get into the lift. No one else.
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"Do what I say. Get in the lift or leave. And if anything bad happens while you do what I made you do, you are solely responsible."

Sounds right.
 
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SpookyAction said:
"Do what I say. Get in the lift or leave. And if anything bad happens while you do what I made you do, you are solely responsible."

Sounds right.
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Please tell me where he was forced against his will into the lift? You’re almost making it sound like he would be killed if he didn’t. It’s amazing how many sheep there are in here.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Please tell me where he was forced against his will into the lift? You’re almost making it sound like he would be killed if he didn’t. It’s amazing how many sheep there are in here.
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Very dramatic take.
Dude, it is get in the lift or you go home.
Head Coaches are the final word on everything on the field and fieldhouse. You cross them and you don't come back tomorrow.
 
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SpookyAction said:
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Very dramatic take.
Dude, it is get in the lift or you go home.
Head Coaches are the final word on everything on the field and fieldhouse. You cross them and you don't come back tomorrow.
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I’d rather go home for refusing to do something I felt was unsafe than risk it and go home carried by 6 of my friends in a box
 
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When did we as a society raise kids that cry in a corner when confronted as opposed to fight? The kids death is tragic and i don't know all details..
 
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Regarding the Durkin hire, he's not running the program. He's an assistant. It might make me think harder about playing for him or going to Arkansas. I wouldn't have him in charge, but I have no problem with him being an assistant.
 
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