Kim Davis

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volfanhill said:
Incorrect. When she isnt in jail she has been ordering her staff not to issue them.
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wasn't not isn't.

We'll see what happens when she isn't.

Also, I believe VNSF was referring to other clerk offices in the surrounding area that she doesn't control. I believe they were within 30 miles of that particular one.
 
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volinbham said:
This is what I'm getting at - there is more here than sanctity of law issues. It's disdain for her and her beliefs that must be PUNISHED!!!!

I swear I've seen more outrage about this woman than other more significant bad behavior.

She's wrong. She shouldn't be in that job if she won't uphold the law. Contempt of court is appropriate.

I just don't get the pitchforks and torches of the mob that must see her pay.
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The only people I see making this about her beliefs are the people who are foisting her arbitrary beliefs as an acceptable reason to disobey the judicial orders.
 
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volinbham said:
wasn't not isn't.

We'll see what happens when she isn't.

Also, I believe VNSF was referring to other clerk offices in the surrounding area that she doesn't control. I believe they were within 30 miles of that particular one.
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What if every clerk in a two hour raidus does the same thing and refuses to issue them? If they allow her to say no then they give permission for every clerk to ignore the Law of the Land.
 
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Septic said:
The only people I see making this about her beliefs is the people who are foisting her arbitrary beliefs as an acceptable reason to disobey the judicial orders.
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Really?

You've compared her to Westboro. I've seen others compare her to Osama bin Laden and calling her an American Taliban who wants to create a theocracy in the US.

All of those are exaggerations focusing on her religious views that are in turn used to justify trashing her and calling for any number of bad things to happen to her as "karma".
 
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volinbham said:
This is what I'm getting at - there is more here than sanctity of law issues. It's disdain for her and her beliefs that must be PUNISHED!!!!

I swear I've seen more outrage about this woman than other more significant bad behavior.

She's wrong. She shouldn't be in that job if she won't uphold the law. Contempt of court is appropriate.

I just don't get the pitchforks and torches of the mob that must see her pay.
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No, its not punishing her beliefs. She can believe what she wants.

Its her actions, based on those beliefs, contrary to an on point, direct, Supreme Court ruling.

She can't be fired. The Governor or the state legislature might have the authority to remove her from office for misconduct, but there is no way anyone is going to do that and alienate the entire Evangelical right wing.
 
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volinbham said:
wasn't not isn't.

We'll see what happens when she isn't.

Also, I believe VNSF was referring to other clerk offices in the surrounding area that she doesn't control. I believe they were within 30 miles of that particular one.
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correct on the wasn't vs' isn't
 
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Anyone else have a problem with a judge being able to jail someone indefinitely for "contempt" of court? Not to long ago here in middle TN there was a judge who jailed some people for violating his dress code.
 
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volfanhill said:
What if every clerk in a two hour raidus does the same thing and refuses to issue them? If they allow her to say no then they give permission for every clerk to ignore the Law of the Land.
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Who's saying she should be allowed to say no? In the end she's the only person who did this, looks like everyone that requested a license has gotten one (why she is being released).

We'll see if she returns to her old ways, until then what VNSF said was correct and while people have been inconvenienced they have gotten their licenses and this woman has done time in jail.
 
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volinbham said:
How do you know fines wouldn't be sufficient?

Why can't she be barred from work but not jailed? Or on probation, or house arrest? Why no option for bail? Is she a flight risk?

That is your outrage? I think it's over the top.
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The problem here is that once released, does she start over with violating the court order? The only reason the license was issued is because she was in jail. If she had been out, she would have once again prevented anyone in the office from issuing it.

Are the Taliban comments over the top? Most definitely.

Should she have went to jail? Most definitely.

Should she be released? Most definitely.

Will she go back? Most definitely.

Some other gay couple will show up in her office to get a marriage license just to see if she will now comply with the court order.
 
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volfanhill said:
What if every clerk in a two hour raidus does the same thing and refuses to issue them? If they allow her to say no then they give permission for every clerk to ignore the Law of the Land.
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Is there a law in KY saying a County Clerk MUST issue marriage licenses?
 
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hog88 said:
Anyone else have a problem with a judge being able to jail someone indefinitely for "contempt" of court? Not to long ago here in middle TN there was a judge who jailed some people for violating his dress code.
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For a made up non legal binding dress code of course I have a problem.
 
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Dr Dread said:
The problem here is that once released, does she start over with violating the court order? The only reason the license was issued is because she was in jail. If she had been out, she would have once again prevented anyone in the office from issuing it.

Are the Taliban comments over the top? Most definitely.

Should she have went to jail? Most definitely.

Should she be released? Most definitely.

Will she go back? Most definitely.

Some other gay couple will show up in her office to get a marriage license just to see if she will now comply with the court order.
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You think no bail was appropriate? What's the logic?

If she returns to her ways she'll be punished again. I would imagine a court could bar her from her job.
 
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Septic said:
I'm a bit surprised no one has mentioned her in four days.

More notably than her is the fact that a number of presidential hopefuls are rallying behind her and specifically supporting her defiance of the judicial order that she and her employees recognize the SCOTUS ruling over what most would consider a cornerstone of the American society, the Constitution. #runonsentence

So far Jindal, Cruz and Huck are all down with Kim's Westboro'esqe shenanigans. In fact Huck's visit to the Carter County Jail is causing the small town to close schools due to traffic and road closures due to his photo op visit.

When did it become OK for presidential candidates to condone and encourage citizens to ignore the Constitution and disobey judges?
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Right after Barry's coronation..
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
Within a short drive of her office. People want her stamp on their certificate
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Doesn't excuse her actions but as you suggest there were options available.

This whole thing has gone over the crazy hill including it's migration into the presidential debate.
 
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volinbham said:
Who's saying she should be allowed to say no? In the end she's the only person who did this, looks like everyone that requested a license has gotten one (why she is being released).

We'll see if she returns to her old ways, until then what VNSF said was correct and while people have been inconvenienced they have gotten their licenses and this woman has done time in jail.
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They got those licenses becuase she was not there to say no. I hope she does comply once released. We shall see. I have no clue why she is being released. I would assume she either told the judge she would comply or the judge is giving her the opportunity to uphold the courts ruling. The citizen should not have to conform to her beliefs, and go elsewhere, when the court has determined she is required to issue the license.
 
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volinbham said:
You think no bail was appropriate? What's the logic?

If she returns to her ways she'll be punished again. I would imagine a court could bar her from her job.
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The logic is that some religious support group would pony up the dough instantly, as noted by the judge. The contempt of court order is a tool used to get people to comply with judicial orders.
 
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volinbham said:
Doesn't excuse her actions but as you suggest there were options available.

This whole thing has gone over the crazy hill including it's migration into the presidential debate.
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Well I would think we all saw this coming
 
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volfanhill said:
For a made up non legal binding dress code of course I have a problem.
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I don't think judges should have the power to jail someone indefinitely without going through normal hearing/bail and grand jury proceedings.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Ah, my bad.

So I to assume there are no marriage licenses being issued in that particular part of Kentucky since she's in jail?
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She's not the only person in that office that can issue marriage licenses. The judge stated that she did not have to personally issue the license. She refused to allow anyone else in the office to issue it.
 
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