Kirby Smart and Josh Heupel

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docterjaws said:
I would like to remind all the worrying and Debby downers of Tennessee football that Kirby Smart widely considered the king of college football right now was 32 and 10 in his first 3 years at Georgia. He inherited a much more favorable condition than JH by far but rose to the occasion. JH is now 26 and 12 in his first 3 years and will be 27 and 12 if we win the Citrus bowl. I keep hearing about how poor the offense was this year - ranked 17th in the nation is not too shabby. I keep hearing about can JH recruit but has consistently been a top 15 recruiting class. For all those who continue to really want Tennessee to win and win big - STOP WITH ALL THE POSTED NEGATIVE ISSUES - You are only hurting the Tennessee football team.
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I agree but good luck with this one jaws. I can’t wait to run off Josh Huepel and get a proven winner.
 
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Preach. Especially about the recruiting. Butch recruited two top 5 classes and couldn’t do crap with them.
 
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docterjaws said:
I would like to remind all the worrying and Debby downers of Tennessee football that Kirby Smart widely considered the king of college football right now was 32 and 10 in his first 3 years at Georgia. He inherited a much more favorable condition than JH by far but rose to the occasion. JH is now 26 and 12 in his first 3 years and will be 27 and 12 if we win the Citrus bowl. I keep hearing about how poor the offense was this year - ranked 17th in the nation is not too shabby. I keep hearing about can JH recruit but has consistently been a top 15 recruiting class. For all those who continue to really want Tennessee to win and win big - STOP WITH ALL THE POSTED NEGATIVE ISSUES - You are only hurting the Tennessee football team.
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Probably also worth noting that 5 of those 12 losses came against Bama and UGA. Both have coaches that had built dynasties with top tier talent in place before Heupel got to UT. Kirby didn't have to play two teams on that level every year. Heupel needed time to build he roster up from the terrible state after several failed coaches while under sanctions and threats of much worse. I think he's done an exceptional job considering everything.
 
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hog88 said:
I'll agree with all of that but this years class has the threat of sanctions behind them, I expected better results with all of that cleared up. I guess next years class will be the telltale.
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The best thing he could do for recruiting is have another 10 win season. That will be tough.
 
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SGMVols said:
Going to ruffle some feathers but it’s probably past time to start being more realistic about expectations. We’ve won one legitimate national title since black players were allowed in the SEC. The chances of UT ever having a dynastic run like Bama/UGA are pretty much zero. It’s a lot harder to recruit here than those two places because of the vast difference in in-state talent. Winning a national title here is just an aspiration. It isn’t the standard.
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Bama's in-state talent isn't Georgia's in-state talent, plus they split that in-state talent with Auburn.
 
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It's going to take more that 2 classes of Coach H's recruits to actually see what he can do. You can't count that first class as his because most of those players were recruited by Pruitt. So as of now H's first class is only Sophomores.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Georgia had several advantages built in. Kirby inherited a full cupboard. He could just recruit the state of Georgia and likely build a contender every year. Tennessee has to regional recruit. Heupel has done a good job so far; he has to do better though. Idk that he can get that done unless he starts recruiting coaches outside just internal promotions.
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The source was probably ESPN, but I don't quite remember the source, but what I do remember is that UGA spends $1 Million more per year than any other school on recruiting. I believe UGA spends $4.5 million per year and the next closest school spends $3.5 million/yr.

So... ON TOP of having the advantage of cherry picking the best talent in Georgia, UGA/Kirby spend the most.

I still think Tenn or any other school that figures out how to use NIL and it's money, will embolden their football program. It'll be interesting which school comes up with the best way to handle NIL and it's money.

I have to remind myself that coaches have to deal with players transferring OUT of their school, all while recruiting. So they have to focus on keeping talent while trying to find more talent. Yikes, right?
 
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Drewbydoo said:
The source was probably ESPN, but I don't quite remember the source, but what I do remember is that UGA spends $1 Million more per year than any other school on recruiting. I believe UGA spends $4.5 million per year and the next closest school spends $3.5 million/yr.

So... ON TOP of having the advantage of cherry picking the best talent in Georgia, UGA/Kirby spend the most.

I still think Tenn or any other school that figures out how to use NIL and it's money, will embolden their football program. It'll be interesting which school comes up with the best way to handle NIL and it's money.

I have to remind myself that coaches have to deal with players transferring OUT of their school, all while recruiting. So they have to focus on keeping talent while trying to find more talent. Yikes, right?
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The money spent on recruiting is mostly spent on travel for coaches. Kind of misleading, Tennessee was once the biggest spender on recruiting as well when we were picking up kids in California.
 
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njvols said:
Would be interesting if GT ever got seriously interested in football.
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I currently go to Tech and can confidently say we won't get any more serious than we currently are in any sport. Their goal is to be a top, or THE top technical school and have allocated donations more towards that goal than athletic prowess. Good or bad, our fan base and on campus support is small or low. My student fee covers sporting events, so when you notice that the student section looks pretty thin, that's because students feel like it's not a good use of their time and not a money issue.

Georgia Tech would prefer us to put our mechanical pencils down, take a break and go to events. ANY event, not just sports. We have cheap and easy access to the Georgia Aquarium, yet few students go. At least once a month I go to the Aquarium and get to feed the fish or whatever is in the tanks and it costs me exactly nothing and it's an incredibly nice experience to be honest and it's worth my time, every time. GT hoops? haha, not so much. GT baseball game IS always worth my time, but I liked Tech baseball before I became a student.

Anyway, don't worry about GT football other than know that they literally practice specific plays and defenses every practice just to eff UGA as much as possible when they play. No joke, they really do that. They care more about that game more than any other. The hate is real, very real.
 
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First&Tenn said:
Probably also worth noting that 5 of those 12 losses came against Bama and UGA. Both have coaches that had built dynasties with top tier talent in place before Heupel got to UT. Kirby didn't have to play two teams on that level every year. Heupel needed time to build he roster up from the terrible state after several failed coaches while under sanctions and threats of much worse. I think he's done an exceptional job considering everything.
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I really, really like SEC football. To me, it is it's own little and very high quality entity all on it's own. No other conference has anything like it or close to it. It's soooo strong that UGA lost one game by 3 points and just like that, they don't have a shot at a national championship. The number of people nationwide that pay close attention to the SEC is huge and that alone makes it easier to recruit for ALL SEC members.
 
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32-10 is .761, plus Kirby had already won an SEC championship and had a national title loss in overtime those first 3 years.

26-12 is .684 and we finished 2nd in the East one year.

I'm not down on Heupel but this isn't a good comparison.
 
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docterjaws said:
I would like to remind all the worrying and Debby downers of Tennessee football that Kirby Smart widely considered the king of college football right now was 32 and 10 in his first 3 years at Georgia. He inherited a much more favorable condition than JH by far but rose to the occasion. JH is now 26 and 12 in his first 3 years and will be 27 and 12 if we win the Citrus bowl. I keep hearing about how poor the offense was this year - ranked 17th in the nation is not too shabby. I keep hearing about can JH recruit but has consistently been a top 15 recruiting class. For all those who continue to really want Tennessee to win and win big - STOP WITH ALL THE POSTED NEGATIVE ISSUES - You are only hurting the Tennessee football team.
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MurphyVol said:
It certainly is. It's almost like comparing oranges to apples
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Smart was able to recruit. in his own back yard. He always has an inside track with HS talent. TN has always had to recruit.nationally for adequate talent.
 
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MurphyVol said:
I'm not down on Josh, but comparing him to Kirby is apples and oranges.

Year 2 Kirby signed the #3 class, year 3 #1 class, year 4 #2 class etc....

That's why they are where they are now.
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That was before everyone else could pay the players with getting in trouble
 
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Drewbydoo said:
The source was probably ESPN, but I don't quite remember the source, but what I do remember is that UGA spends $1 Million more per year than any other school on recruiting. I believe UGA spends $4.5 million per year and the next closest school spends $3.5 million/yr.

So... ON TOP of having the advantage of cherry picking the best talent in Georgia, UGA/Kirby spend the most.

I still think Tenn or any other school that figures out how to use NIL and it's money, will embolden their football program. It'll be interesting which school comes up with the best way to handle NIL and it's money.

I have to remind myself that coaches have to deal with players transferring OUT of their school, all while recruiting. So they have to focus on keeping talent while trying to find more talent. Yikes, right?
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Keep in mind that's not NIL money, that's just recruiting, hosting visit, visiting players, analysis, etc. Nobody really knows how much money is going around with NIL.
 
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MurphyVol said:
I'm not down on Josh, but comparing him to Kirby is apples and oranges.

Year 2 Kirby signed the #3 class, year 3 #1 class, year 4 #2 class etc....

That's why they are where they are now.
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Kirby wasn’t dealing with a program that hadn’t been competitive for 15 years & facing a NCAA major investigation either.
 
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wmcovol said:
Kirby wasn’t dealing with a program that hadn’t been competitive for 15 years & facing a NCAA major investigation either.
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He sure wasn't, it's almost like comparing apples to oranges.

The good thing now is, JH is no longer dealing with those things either.
 
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SGMVols said:
Going to ruffle some feathers but it’s probably past time to start being more realistic about expectations. We’ve won one legitimate national title since black players were allowed in the SEC. The chances of UT ever having a dynastic run like Bama/UGA are pretty much zero. It’s a lot harder to recruit here than those two places because of the vast difference in in-state talent. Winning a national title here is just an aspiration. It isn’t the standard.
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oh i agree with this. BUT we should expect 9-11 win per year though. That was pretty much the standard through the early 2000's. No reason to think otherwise. And with the changing of post season coming...that 9-11 wins gets you in the playoffs most of the time. I don't expect a natty here. I think the expectation should be to be at/near the top of the conference. This program was doing that before going off the rails. We shouldn't dumb down expectations just because Dooley/Butch/Pruitt sucked. We shouldn't hold Heupel to a lower standard because the last three hires were trash
 
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MurphyVol said:
He sure wasn't, it's almost like comparing apples to oranges.

The good thing now is, JH is no longer dealing with those things either.
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We still have 4 more years of sanctions from that investigation to deal with though.
 
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EastTNVol423 said:
oh i agree with this. BUT we should expect 9-11 win per year though. That was pretty much the standard through the early 2000's. No reason to think otherwise. And with the changing of post season coming...that 9-11 wins gets you in the playoffs most of the time. I don't expect a natty here. I think the expectation should be to be at/near the top of the conference. This program was doing that before going off the rails. We shouldn't dumb down expectations just because Dooley/Butch/Pruitt sucked. We shouldn't hold Heupel to a lower standard because the last three hires were trash
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We are closer to the top of the conference than the bottom. Heupel is the only the third coach of the post Neyland era to have three straight non-losing seasons in SEC play to open his tenure. And he did that after the administration kicked off half the team during the Pruitt investigation.
 
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SGMVols said:
We are closer to the top of the conference than the bottom. Heupel is the only the third coach of the post Neyland era to have three straight non-losing seasons in SEC play to open his tenure. And he did that after the administration kicked off half the team during the Pruitt investigation.
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Are we really though? we were a lot closer to 6-6 than 9-3/10-2....we had to hang on for dear life against a&m and uk. We weren't close to winning any game that we lost.
 
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MurphyVol said:
Maybe I don't fully understand the rules, but it seems like in the new world of NIL that scholly reductions should mean nothing if Spyre handles things the right way

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I also don't fully understand but from the recruiting forum, we are very close to a top 5 class as far as player rating but because the other schools can offer the full compliment of scholarships and we can't, they have more "points" than us and it pushes our overall ranking down to 14 currently. @LWSVOL is keeping track of the current amount of scholarships available. I'm sure it is shaking up with the transfers. Everyone in this forum has opinions on who we should be paying millions to get from the portal but if we only have certain slots available, CJH has to be very specific and prioritize the needs. Definitely needs to know who is staying first.
 
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