Kissinger died

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#52
Septic said:
National treasure. Future generations will build monuments.
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While there will be strong disagreement, the perception will certainly be that. Monuments will be built (have no problem with this whatsoever as long as they are privately subscripted and that goes for anyone so memorialized!) and cities required to rename streets in his honor (do have a problem because this is at taxpayer cost).
 
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evillawyer said:
Yeah, Kissinger killed most of them.
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Sure sounds like this was Nixon's doing:

In early 1969, Kissinger was opposed to the plans for Operation Menu, the bombing of Cambodia, fearing that Nixon was acting rashly with no plans for the diplomatic fall-out, but on March 16, 1969, Nixon announced the bombing would start the next day.[71] As he saw the president was committed, he became more supportive.[72] Kissinger played a key role in bombing Cambodia to disrupt raids into South Vietnam from Cambodia, as well as the 1970 Cambodian campaign and subsequent widespread bombing of Khmer Rouge targets in Cambodia
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en.wikipedia.org

Henry Kissinger - Wikipedia

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GroverCleveland said:
Continuity is not your strong suit is it?

However, since you have moved off of condemning his entire body of work for actions in Cambodia, I will answer the question. Yes, the Administration deserved and received plenty of criticism and condemnation following. I was reading contemporary accounts of it in Time and watching news shows. Have read several historical accounts of those times, although I willingly admit those readings are now years in the past. What I do recall is B-52s were used to expand on what had been up until that time tactical bombing efforts directed again NVA and other groups using Cambodia as bases for supply and to launch attacks into South Vietnam. The attacks were directed against rural areas of SE Cambodia mostly.

So, may I ask what your position is on the "strategic" bombing of German and Japanese cities in WWII? What public figures are you ready to judge and condemn about that. Yes, this is whataboutism to determine if you are a real idealogue or a hypocrite.
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We had no business being in Vietnam and even less in Cambodia, so I'd say it's not comparable at all.
 
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n_huffhines said:
We had no business being in Vietnam and even less in Cambodia, so I'd say it's not comparable at all.
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There are some who say we had no business in the European war. If Hitler does not make the monumental mistake of declaring war on the United States, we have to manufacture a reason to go to war with Germany. You'll get no argument from me we had no business in SE Asia, but that has nothing to do with the point.

The proposition was HK should be condemned and held in contempt because the United States engaged in bombing of Cambodia during the Vietnam War era. I believe it to be entirely reasonable to ask should we condemn others who made similar decisions 25 years earlier with comparable results.
 
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The irony to me is how many boomer aged people despise Kissinger for Vietnam, yet they are all his willing pawns for the WEF, propoganda now.....lol. Whose mind do you think is largely behind Agenda 2030 etc? I guess I should just be happy even the brainwashed dislike him.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
There are some who say we had no business in the European war. If Hitler does not make the monumental mistake of declaring war on the United States, we have to manufacture a reason to go to war with Germany. You'll get no argument from me we had no business in SE Asia, but that has nothing to do with the point.

The proposition was HK should be condemned and held in contempt because the United States engaged in bombing of Cambodia during the Vietnam War era. I believe it to be entirely reasonable to ask should we condemn others who made similar decisions 25 years earlier with comparable results.
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Like you say, they declared war on us, so people saying we had "no business" is pretty silly, even if I agree that we could've stayed out. The whole war was avoidable if the allies had better diplomacy, but the point is that Vietnam didn't declare war on us, and we had nothing to gain and really no good reason at all to be involved. We just wasted our lives, their lives, innocent bystander lives, money, and the minds of a lot of young men who could have otherwise done great things.
 
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#67
from article - "Compared with what he had left behind in Nazi Germany, he later wrote that America 'seemed a dream, an incredible place where tolerance was natural and personal freedom unchallenged'."

well that isn't something politicians say anymore

www.dailymail.co.uk

How Henry Kissinger escaped Nazi Germany before liberating Ahlem camp

In his early life, Kissinger would be persecuted by Nazis for being Jewish, flee Germany with his family, join the US army and return to help liberate a concentration camp.
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It continually amazes me that there are people on here (the left) that will pile on someone perceived to be right wing with vitriol and basic death wishes (see the Good Riddance post above) yet when a left winger's death is posted you don't see that. Not a bad word was said about Jimmy Carter yet there was plenty that could have been said. You guys (gals, trans, whatevers) continue to step on your on genitals and don't understand why we think your side is a big pile of ****.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Like you say, they declared war on us, so people saying we had "no business" is pretty silly, even if I agree that we could've stayed out. The whole war was avoidable if the allies had better diplomacy, but the point is that Vietnam didn't declare war on us, and we had nothing to gain and really no good reason at all to be involved. We just wasted our lives, their lives, innocent bystander lives, money, and the minds of a lot of young men who could have otherwise done great things.
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JFK and LBJ say hey ya'll.
 
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theFallGuy said:
from article - "Compared with what he had left behind in Nazi Germany, he later wrote that America 'seemed a dream, an incredible place where tolerance was natural and personal freedom unchallenged'."

well that isn't something politicians say anymore

www.dailymail.co.uk

How Henry Kissinger escaped Nazi Germany before liberating Ahlem camp

In his early life, Kissinger would be persecuted by Nazis for being Jewish, flee Germany with his family, join the US army and return to help liberate a concentration camp.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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Not even an idea that politicians want you to have anymore.
 
#72
#72
volfanhill said:
Imagine thinking you are smarter than him. Imagine not understanding that his job was What's best for the US. He was widely successful. Doesn't mean he was 100% right. There is a reason he was heavy player for damn near 60 years regardless of political party.
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No one questions Kissinger's frightful level of intellect. What is questionable is his pursuit of "what's best" for whom exactly? I am not convinced it was with the USA's best interest always paramount.
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
I love that nurse goodvol, and septic both liked that...:D
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Even presidents are told what to say. At HKs time there were only a couple of outlets spreading their words. So they pretty much had unbridled power. HK enjoyed that whatever mechanations he was putting in place would not be questioned or brought to public light.
“ power is the ultimate aphrodisiac” Henry Kissinger.
 
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