KJH Needs To Make Adjustments

[OrangeBeachVol]

Here is a problem Tess is a shooter and other teams now know that. If our low post players are not coming up with the goods why leave Tess open ?. FL decided to gamble after Tess burn them twice close out on her quicker. Also Tess weakness comes into play to and Kellie knows that it like a chess match. Don`t get me wrong other teams in the SEC might have figured out how to play TN ?. As for Key she can`t be too aggressive because without her on the floor this is a whole different team. As for Rae in or out of the starting lineup it don`t matter she has never been a good ball handler, To note and could have been part of the lineup adjustment is Striplin i think some on this board set the bar to high for this young lady and it`s not her fault.

I have always thought Rae dribbles way too much. She seem to be more of a catch and shoot or a short drive to the basket. She is a TO machine if she dribbles too much.

 

[djtee]

I have always thought Rae dribbles way too much. She seem to be more of a catch and shoot or a short drive to the basket. She is a TO machine if she dribbles too much.

Without question and i agree with you 100% Rae is TO machine and that will not change. But i will say this FL backcourt is no slouch they get after it.

 

[Volfan1000]

Whatever KJH is doing, as of late is not working. The starters seem to be out of focus. Right now they are not playing with any energy or zip. Florida spanking by 25 points is bad, KJH needs to go back to the drawing board. Right now they are getting out coached and out played. Tonight there was a severe lack of leadership and the team looked lost and in need of direction. The turnovers are killing us. Sadly out bench strength is not what it needs to be. I hope the coaches are working the portal for next year. Why is KJH saving timeouts when the team appears to e losing it?

Barnes rarely uses his time outs as well and the NBA coaches do not use all their time outs either.

 

[madtownvol]

She needs to kick them out of the locker room into the practice facility and take away electronic device. This will get their attention.

You know, the last time CPS tried that back in the Glory Johnson years, it did not work at all. A coach could kick them out the practice facility but she does not have the authority to take away their phones, or deny them food, or make them sleep outside in a pile of newspapers. you know, all the things that would immediately make them start hitting jump shots or breaking the high press with flawless execution.

I mean it so easy, just punish players for "bad" behavior and boom undefeated season!!! Kind of amazing every coach does not do that.......

 

[madtownvol]

You sure the Rick Barnes method is magical? Because his team has been beset by turnovers at times this year. Turnovers and poor perimeter shooting has plagued them. Sound familiar?

If you could punish away turnovers don't you think they would be practically non existent by now? What coach wouldn't do that if it actually worked? I'm not even sure RB actually does that, especially late in the season when legs are already tired. I think its more of an RB urban legend.

It's all so easy right? Scream yell and frown like Pat and run em like they are being intentionally naughty and they'll go undefeated the rest of the way. Someone email KJH!

So, Pat Summitt locked the baby vols out of their locker room for a while during their freshman season and that group of backslidin' players learned their lesson and used their new found moral virtue to win the national championship!!!!! [checks notes), correction - to be eliminated by Ball St in the opening round. Never mind......

 

[madtownvol]

You sure the Rick Barnes method is magical? Because his team has been beset by turnovers at times this year. Turnovers and poor perimeter shooting has plagued them. Sound familiar?

If you could punish away turnovers don't you think they would be practically non existent by now? What coach wouldn't do that if it actually worked? I'm not even sure RB actually does that, especially late in the season when legs are already tired. I think its more of an RB urban legend.

It's all so easy right? Scream yell and frown like Pat and run em like they are being intentionally naughty and they'll go undefeated the rest of the way. Someone email KJH!

Well, the obvious problem is that Barnes' method is too soft. It is high time to stop moddly coddling players. Make em run the arena steps carrying 100 pound packs on their backs (Now that will teach them) If that does not work, then pretty much time to have the players run barefoot over hot coals while being attacked by vultures. Also, Kellie should have a medieval rack placed in the training room to use when all else fails (plus we might get some extra height out of the players who are too lazy grow). I mean, where does Booklyn Miles get off being content to stay at 5'4? If kellie were tougher on her, she could at least by 5-8 by now.

 

[chuckiepoo]

I think opponents are watching and using film on Tennessee, and Tennessee is apparently not using its own film as a critique. There has been minimal progression and refinement—not enough attention to the details.

I would have liked to have seen Wynn‘s game developed more this season. Her speed, length, and energy are assets that could have been crafted into a more contributive capacity for this generally lethargic, complacent team. She could be very disruptive on defense, and she pursues the ball and boards as well as anyone else—if not better. Her game lacks minutes and reps and refinement.

It’s almost like the scout team isn’t fully participating in the process.

 

[NoBackBoard]

So, Pat Summitt locked the baby vols out of their locker room for a while during their freshman season and that group of backslidin' players learned their lesson and used their new found moral virtue to win the national championship!!!!! [checks notes), correction - to be eliminated by Ball St in the opening round. Never mind......

The plot twist!

 

[BruisedOrange]

I have asked about the timeouts since the day she arrived in Knoxville. I think she has the tools to be a great coach but needs to be tougher and hold the girls responsible. [...]

Barnes rarely uses his time outs as well and the NBA coaches do not use all their time outs either.

Has everyone forgotten that Pat used to do this too?

I heard (or read) her saying that her reasoning was to get them ready for tournament time. She wanted the players to learn how to figure out things for themselves and fix it on the court rather than expend a timeout each time they got off track. Timeouts become precious in tournament play, where so many games come down to the final seconds.

It's comparable to a golfer learning how to correct his/her swing during the round, rather than meeting their swing coach off the 18th green... after bogie-ing their name off the leaderboard.

Unless you give players (or any developing human being) room to fail, they don't really know who they are, what they are lacking, and what they need to improve to attain their potential.
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Now, do I know whether Kellie has been giving this team room to fail as part of a learning process? Or maybe she's just as mystified at how this team has suddenly seemingly derailed.

One thing the staff will learn is how fragile or gritty these players are--individually, and as a team. Character* will be revealed, and better for that to happen now than next month.
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*Someone might well observe also that character is being revealed among the fanbase... who is fragile, and who is gritty.

 

[Darth_Vol]

You have admit tess is not as bad so you said. And tess or other three point shooters could make more if tenn would draw up some good screning plays. Darth does tess defence look better? Even you should see she was been working on defence.

mudcat I love ya, and I know you love Tess. My criticism of her isn't personal, but she just isn't an SEC player. Until Kellie gets the talent level up to the point that Tess isn't having to play major minutes (which could very well be never), this team isn't going to contend for anything of significance.

That said, I would certainly agree Tess was the least of their problems last night...

 

[cwbytruckers]

But she gave out little green keys. thought that fixed the problems

 

[chuckiepoo]

Has everyone forgotten that Pat used to do this too?

I heard (or read) her saying that her reasoning was to get them ready for tournament time. She wanted the players to learn how to figure out things for themselves and fix it on the court rather than expend a timeout each time they got off track. Timeouts become precious in tournament play, where so many games come down to the final seconds.

It's comparable to a golfer learning how to correct his/her swing during the round, rather than meeting their swing coach off the 18th green... after bogie-ing their name off the leaderboard.

Unless you give players (or any developing human being) room to fail, they don't really know who they are, what they are lacking, and what they need to improve to attain their potential.
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Now, do I know whether Kellie has been giving this team room to fail as part of a learning process? Or maybe she's just as mystified at how this team has suddenly seemingly derailed.

One thing the staff will learn is how fragile or gritty these players are--individually, and as a team. Character* will be revealed, and better for that to happen now than next month.
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*Someone might well observe also that character is being revealed among the fanbase... who is fragile, and who is gritty.

 

[chuckiepoo]

But she gave out little green keys. thought that fixed the problems

Somehow, watching that video, something seemed ill advised about the concept of a public team talisman. Appropriate behind closed doors possibly, but to produce a video? That seemed way out of character for the staff. Wonder whose idea that was…?

 

[madtownvol]

It is hard for fans (and I think coaches) to accept that sometimes the ups and downs of a team are not always in their control. We can make fun of the "green key" thing but that is exactly the kind of motivational technique that all coaches use. And the media and others celebrate them as brilliant coaching when they work (but correlation does not mean causation) and sort of forget about it, when they don't. I am willing to bet the track record on these motivational techniques is probably around the correlation you get with chance.

"Green keys" are not going to help Saunders and Stripling magically compete at this level or turn Wynn over night into a good shooter.

On the flipside, it can be equally unpredictable when a team starts to click. In 2015-16, the LVs last trip to the elite 8, they entered the tournament with 13 losses, including an historically bad loss to then very lowly Alabama. But Diamond DeShields, who had been struggling all season, suddenly went on a run and played like an AA; TOs and defensive breakdowns stopped happening with such regularity--same coach, same players but something clicked. Yes, it came tumbling down against Syracuse but it remained a really improbable tournament run.

If Rae finds her AA form by tournament time, a lot of the other LV's problems might suddenly seem less of an issue. Rae and JH could be a deadly 1-2 punch that takes a lot of pressure off of everyone else and also would open more space on the court (thereby reducing TOs and transition buckets).

 

[BruisedOrange]

Excellent points, madtownvol.

If teams were predictable, they would offer us no hope, and no reason to celebrate their accomplishments.

 

[mudcat1973]

mudcat I love ya, and I know you love Tess. My criticism of her isn't personal, but she just isn't an SEC player. Until Kellie gets the talent level up to the point that Tess isn't having to play major minutes (which could very well be never), this team isn't going to contend for anything of significance.

That said, I would certainly agree Tess was the least of their problems last night...

agree tess is no parker. but tess will befit from our all american recuit. one three shoter who needs to drive to basket more is easyer to defened. tess is sec shoter that needs more talent around her. tess is blue collar player. we need player like parker to build around but tess one of those supporting parts.

 

[Voltopia]

Whatever they do, they just need to do it together and support each other.

There were a lot of slumped shoulders and checked out expressions at Florida, long before the score got out of hand. That's chemistry, or confidence, or whatever, but I really think that's what they need to fix. The other challenges, turnovers, steals, defensive lapses, yeah, those are all bad, but the further you get into the season, the more often you see good teams beat better collections of individual talent. Tennessee has to get back to that. They need to have their leaders lead them, and those leaders need to step up and lead. Is it Horston? Is it Burrell? Is it both? Or more? They need to settle these matters and let that free them to focus on the other issues.

 

[mudcat1973]

mudcat I love ya, and I know you love Tess. My criticism of her isn't personal, but she just isn't an SEC player. Until Kellie gets the talent level up to the point that Tess isn't having to play major minutes (which could very well be never), this team isn't going to contend for anything of significance.

That said, I would certainly agree Tess was the least of their problems last night...

As for as team they go a lot father if they knot off wild passes. And driving to the baske and shoting when other team has good defence postion.

 

[Pride85]

I swear, in reading this you would think the record was 3-19 instead of the other way around. Can this fan base not accept a really good season at face value and not analyze it to death?

 

[creekdipper]

That depends upon your definition of "fan base."

It's one thing to analyse, offer opinions on best way to improve, and speculations on outcomes. That's pretty standard fan talk.

It's the haters and quitters that really damage the environment. Not sure how common their presence is to other fan bases.

 

[Nute Gunray]

I have asked about the timeouts since the day she arrived in Knoxville. I think she has the tools to be a great coach but needs to be tougher and hold the girls responsible. The majority of those turnovers is laziness and lack of effort, but her answer she gives when asked is that they will figure it out, well maybe a lap or two around the gym after practice would help them to figure it out

You hit the nail on the head, allenfan1. Kellie could be a great coach if she were willing to take charge of her team's observed weaknesses and not leave it up to them to solve these weaknesses.

 

[gule]

she b channeling her inner Holly? I don't know

 

[Coach Jumper]

She needs to kick them out of the locker room into the practice facility and take away electronic device. This will get their attention.

people confuse respect with fear

 

[Decker Moss]

I don’t think there are any chemistry issues but does anyone think that it could have to do with the resurgence of Rae. It’s like they finally learned to play without her and the offense was looking smoother. We now have two alphas instead of one and maybe they are trying to piece it all together again.

 

[alexvol]

It is hard for fans (and I think coaches) to accept that sometimes the ups and downs of a team are not always in their control. We can make fun of the "green key" thing but that is exactly the kind of motivational technique that all coaches use. And the media and others celebrate them as brilliant coaching when they work (but correlation does not mean causation) and sort of forget about it, when they don't. I am willing to bet the track record on these motivational techniques is probably around the correlation you get with chance.

"Green keys" are not going to help Saunders and Stripling magically compete at this level or turn Wynn over night into a good shooter.

On the flipside, it can be equally unpredictable when a team starts to click. In 2015-16, the LVs last trip to the elite 8, they entered the tournament with 13 losses, including an historically bad loss to then very lowly Alabama. But Diamond DeShields, who had been struggling all season, suddenly went on a run and played like an AA; TOs and defensive breakdowns stopped happening with such regularity--same coach, same players but something clicked. Yes, it came tumbling down against Syracuse but it remained a really improbable tournament run.

If Rae finds her AA form by tournament time, a lot of the other LV's problems might suddenly seem less of an issue. Rae and JH could be a deadly 1-2 punch that takes a lot of pressure off of everyone else and also would open more space on the court (thereby reducing TOs and transition buckets).

Only if they stop playing one-on one basketball and play as a team will it happen. Agree with your overall premise.