Kony 2012

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MG1968 said:
you make it sound as though children were deliberately targeted and make no mention of the insurgency that did deliberately target civilian populations, particularly in villages that were known to be supportive of US operations
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I guess I failed to mention that because we all accept the fact that they do messed up things. Most of us don't/won't accept the fact that we do messed up things.
 
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nbakerld said:
Yeah. Morbidly ironic that people care when it's Kony, but not when their own government is responsible. I don't know what else to do, but laugh.
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Reminds me of what Malcolm X stated in regard to JFK's assassination "President Kennedy never foresaw that the chickens would come home to roost so soon..."
 
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nbakerld said:
I guess I failed to mention that because we all accept the fact that they do messed up things. Most of us don't/won't accept the fact that we do messed up things.
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again, you're sounding as though you think the US deliberately targeted these children
 
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nbakerld said:
Maybe it sounds that way because it doesn't matter to me if it was deliberate or not. We are responsible.
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So the insurgents deliberately hiding among the civilian population bear no responsibility? And the US took no steps to mitigate the loss of civilian life? Moral relativism is moronic.
 
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bamawriter said:
So the insurgents deliberately hiding among the civilian population bear no responsibility? And the US took no steps to mitigate the loss of civilian life? Moral relativism is moronic.
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Where do you get that from?

If I'm a cop shooting at drug-dealers, and I accidentally kill an innocent kid, I'm rethinking my take on the war on drugs.
 
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nbakerld said:
Where do you get that from?

If I'm a cop shooting at drug-dealers, and I accidentally kill an innocent kid, I'm rethinking my take on the war on drugs.
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Whose fault is it that the kid is in play, yours or the dealers?

And let's say it was a serial rapist rather than a drug dealer. If you wound up accidentally killing a kid, would you start rethinking the need to punish/prevent rape?
 
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bamawriter said:
Whose fault is it that the kid is in play, yours or the dealers?
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The question isn't about whose fault it is, it's how do we make it go away? If you can't make it go away, then the next question is why get involved?
 
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bamawriter said:
And let's say it was a serial rapist rather than a drug dealer. If you wound up accidentally killing a kid, would you start rethinking the need to punish/prevent rape?
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That is different in my opinion. If government has any role it's to enforce laws against violent crime within its own borders.

You get rid of drug prohibition, you avoid the death of this innocent child. Engaging in the war on drugs does not make the problem go away. That is why we shouldn't get involved.

Engaging the ME will not make the problems go away. They will not behave the way we want them to behave.
 
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nbakerld said:
That is different in my opinion. If government has any role it's to enforce laws against violent crime within its own borders.

You get rid of drug prohibition, you avoid the death of this innocent child. Engaging in the war on drugs does not make the problem go away. That is why we shouldn't get involved.
Engaging the ME will not make the problems go away. They will not behave the way we want them to behave.
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That and the fact that it costs money, huh?
 
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nbakerld said:
Engaging the ME will not make them behave the way we want them to behave. This is why we shouldn't get involved.
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That's a fine argument. However, your point about civilian casualties doesn't further the argument.

The value of taking out Saddam is certainly debatable, and it sucks that children died in the effort. But the US made effort to mitigate those losses, while Saddam gassed Kurdish children with pride. Trying to make a morally relative comparison between the two is absurd.
 
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bamawriter said:
That's a fine argument. However, your point about civilian casualties doesn't further the argument.

The value of taking out Saddam is certainly debatable, and it sucks that children died in the effort. But the US made effort to mitigate those losses, while Saddam gassed Kurdish children with pride. Trying to make a morally relative comparison between the two is absurd.
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US sanctions on Iraq were intentional and killed a lot of children. Estimates come out as high as 500,000. Most on this board don't accept that number, but even if it's 50,000 it's way too many.

If we never get involved in Iraq, Iraq maybe never becomes a problem.
 
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T-TownVol said:
Then stop all the window dressing and just stick with your true objection.
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Wha?

I have too many objections to count.

You're one of those weird conservatives who thinks government doesn't do anything well, so you just want them to do important stuff.

True conservatives know government can't be trusted with entangling alliances.
 
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bamawriter said:
So the Allies were responsible for the Holocaust because they imposed the Treaty of Versailles?
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You are way too concerned with who should be blamed. I'm only concerned with correcting our mistakes. The Treaty of Versailles was a mistake (sanctions always are). Enough said.
 
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nbakerld said:
You are way too concerned with who should be blamed. I'm only concerned with correcting our mistakes. The Treaty of Versailles was a mistake (sanctions always are). Enough said.
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Then you supported taking out Saddam, since he was pretty much our mistake?
 
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nbakerld said:
US sanctions on Iraq were intentional and killed a lot of children. Estimates come out as high as 500,000. Most on this board don't accept that number, but even if it's 50,000 it's way too many.

If we never get involved in Iraq, Iraq maybe never becomes a problem.
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the sanctions didn't kill anybody, Saddam Hussein killed his own people then sat back and laughed while the international handwringers association blamed the US
 
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MG1968 said:
the sanctions didn't kill anybody, Saddam Hussein killed his own people then sat back and laughed while the international handwringers association blamed the US
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Sanctions result in a declining economy. In a country like Iraq that means people starve.
 
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