Kony 2012

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bamawriter said:
Doesn't explain why a certain race of people were gassed.
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Agreed.

Kurds who supported the US in 1991 were systematically killed by Saddam. They thought we were there too stay. Again, Saddam is the bad guy, but that doesn't change the fact that there are consequences to our actions.
 
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Ramzpaul has a good solution

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F'in love this guy.

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nbakerld said:
Agreed.

Kurds who supported the US in 1991 were systematically killed by Saddam. They thought we were there too stay. Again, Saddam is the bad guy, but that doesn't change the fact that there are consequences to our actions.
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Saddam started the genocide of the Kurds in '83 in response to the Kurdish uprising during the Iran-Iraq war.
 
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bamawriter said:
Saddam started the genocide of the Kurds in '83 in response to the Kurdish uprising during the Iran-Iraq war.
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True (and I think most of what you are talking about was as late as 1988), but things settled a bit, and the Kurdish uprising in 1991 reignited the genocide.

In April 1991, after Saddam lost control of Kuwait in the Persian Gulf War, he cracked down ruthlessly against several uprisings in the Kurdish north and the Shia south. His forces committed wholesale massacres and other gross human rights violations against both groups similar to the violations mentioned before. Estimates of deaths during that time range from 20,000 to 100,000 for Kurds, and 60,000 to 130,000 for Shi'ites.
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Human rights in Saddam Hussein's Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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nbakerld said:
Sanctions result in a declining economy. In a country like Iraq that means people starve.
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"Oil for food"

it wasn't the US' fault that Saddam was cutting backroom deals with our European allies
 
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#88
Rather than watching the propaganda film that only tells part of the story (and who knows how much of it is accurate?), I recomend some reading material:

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(the link above is probably to another article, but the following can be found on the site.)


Kony is a nightmare, but Museveni has caused the deaths of millions of people in Rwanda, Uganda and Congo. In 2005 the International Court of Justice found Uganda liable for what amounts to war crimes in Congo: mass rapes of both women and men; disemboweling pregnant women; burning people inside their homes alive; massacres and; plunder of resources. Congo lost six million people after Uganda’s occupation of parts of Congo. The Court awarded Congo $10 billion in reparations; not a dime has been paid.

Congo then referred the same crimes to the International Criminal Court (ICC) in the Hague for war crimes charges. On June 8, 2006, The Wall Street Journal reported that Gen. Museveni personally contacted Kofi Annan, then UN Secretary General and asked him to block the criminal investigation.

It seems that the U.S. and ICC Prosecutor Moreno Ocampo might have indeed obliged. Gen. Museveni and senior Ugandan military commanders remain un-indicted for the alleged crimes that the ICJ already found Uganda liable; only one side of the same coin, Kony was indicted. Prosecutor Ocampo is also totally discredited; readers should Google “Ocampo and South African journalist case.”
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For example, readers can Google terms such as “Yoweri Museveni and Congo genocide,” “Museveni and Kony,” “Museveni and and Rwanda genocide,” “Museveni and Acholi genocide,” and “U.S. support for dictator Museveni.”
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© African SurViVors International (ASI): MUSEVENI AND RWANDA GENOCIDE - By Munishi - GTV - Museveni's role in the organization of the Rwanda genocide

The following is rather long but very detailed.

Genocide or Just Another "Casualty of War"? - Part II | Practical Matters Journal

excerpts:


This is not surprising given that it is not the sort of flight that would typically be covered in the newspapers of the time. It is worth noting, however, that less than a year-and-a-half later—April 5, 1988—the indicated recipient of the memo, Salim Saleh, Museveni's brother and a Major General in Museveni's army, conducted his own flyover, and similarly commented, this time on the record to reporters, "What do you think of this unpopulated place? Couldn't it be utilized for growing food, cash crops, and ranching to improve our economy, being such a fertile area?"1 The million-plus Acholi in the region did not count as a human population. The title of the memo, "Subject: RETHINK," suggests that the author is considering a change in policy plans. The author and the recipient had made a "hasty decision to draw another national boundary, which would exclude the backward northerners from our new Uganda, particularly the Chimpanzees called Acholis." The flyover convinced the author that this previous policy was not wise. "I have now realized that the Monkeys called Acholis are sitting upon Gold Mine. It is surprising that even the British Colonialists did not make them utilize the rich land properly." Consequently, a policy change is necessary: "I have now reversed our decision to expel them, with their lands, from Uganda. We must keep Uganda as the British left it. But we must assume full control of the fertile lands."
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In short, Museveni and Saleh unilaterally declared that it was necessary to forcibly displace the Acholi peoplef—that is, to use the military and armed attacks to move them off of their own land against their will—for the Acholi's own "protection." Museveni, through the UPDF, failed to provide that protection. However, Saleh still found there to be enough military wherewithal to protect the government SPP farms on land formerly held by the Acholi and upon which the Acholi were to serve as serf-like laborers. The evidence indicates that the motivation and goal of the camps was takeover of the land, not the protection of the people.
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Shortly after his displacement mandate for northern Uganda, Museveni committed thousands of troops to the Democratic Republic of Congo, where they could be used to acquire not just land but diamonds, gold, and other gems and minerals. The DRC case is informative for two reasons. First, it establishes a thoroughly documented pattern of activity by Museveni and Saleh where they together utilize the Ugandan military for their own economic benefit in a way that directly harms, often lethally, large numbers of civilians. Second, it shows that Museveni and Saleh could have provided, had they wanted, sufficient military support at the Ugandan IDP camps to protect the Acholi civilians, but that the necessary forces were used elsewhere and for other purposes.

In 1997, Uganda helped Laurent-Desire Kabila push dictator Joseph-Desire Mobutu from power in the DRC. Afterwards, however, Kabila requested that the Ugandan forces leave the DRC. This action threatened Uganda's interest in the DRC's natural resources, so in 1998 Uganda, according to a recent UN report, "created and supported" a rebel military and political movement—the Mouvement pour la liberation du Congo (MLC)—and found Jean-Pierre Bemba, the son of a Congolese billionaire, to head it up.14 Between 1998 and 2002, Bemba gave the Ugandan government mining concessions in the areas he controlled in exchange for military support.

In 2002, a United Nations report specifically identified Saleh as a key player in the illegal exploitation of minerals in the Democratic Republic of Congo by the NRM.15 On top of that, Saleh was the primary shareholder of the Victoria Group, which, according to the UN report, was involved in the production of counterfeit Congolese francs. In other words, Saleh was having raw materials illegally extracted from a war-torn country and then was purchasing the materials with counterfeit money. In 2005, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) found Uganda, again with Saleh specifically named, guilty of the illegal extraction of raw materials and ordered it to pay the DRC $10 billion in restitution, an amount that remains unpaid.16

Importantly, the ICJ also found Uganda guilty of killings, torture, and other atrocities committed on civilian Congolese, though the International Criminal Court has yet to charge Saleh with war crimes or crimes against humanity.
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The results for the populace in northern Uganda have been disastrous. Espeland and Petersen state, "As a military strategy, the regime failed to defeat the LRA but politically they controlled most of the civilian population for two decades." As we have seen, this has been the plan all along: control of the people—and land—in the North. The authors conclude that the humanitarian crisis that followed was a "direct outcome of the military approach to the region pursued by President Museveni."31 As we will see in more detail in the next section, the Acholi people, according to Museveni, are not people at all.
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Lol. I find it funny that gs calls the film propaganda while spouting his own propaganda.
 
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#90
I think this is a lot of shart. I don't even believe in conspiracys, but I think there is a lot of things fishy about this.
 
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#92
Anyone who half follows what goes on in East Africa knows that the Museveni has allowed Kony to get away with his acts. This isn't news at all and doesn't contradict the movie "Kony 2012".

A now grown man who was a child fighter in the video says the film makers saved his life.
 
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Amerisrael: Invisible Children: Islam's Abuse and Exploitation of Children

While the makers of the video correctly state that Kony is not currently supported by anyone [government] ,they omitted the fact that up until 2000 Kony and the LRA were heavily supported by the Islamist SAF [Sudanese Armed Forces].

Kony himself was in official meetings with the genocide-indicted Islamic Sudanese leader Omar Bashir.

Why do the makers of the Kony 2012 video focus soley on the LRA but ignore and omit any reference to the abuse and exploitation of children by the Hamas Islamic terrorist group?

Or other "child-soldier" Islamic exploitation of children around the world?

Perhaps the most documented and well known incidents in history are the Ottoman Muslim army's "Janissaries":

["One severely condemned practice of Islamic slavery is the institution of Dewshirme, introduced by Ottoman Sultan Orkhan in 1330. This scheme consisted of collecting a part of the boys of the age-group of seven to twenty years from Christian and other non-Muslim families of the Ottoman Empire".]
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The article goes on to link islamic use of child soldiers in several countries and finishes with this critique of the film.

The following statement is made on the website of Invisible Children:

"We are storytellers, activists and everyday people who use the power of media to inspire young people to help end the longest running armed conflict in Africa. We make documentaries, tour them around the world, and lobby our nation’s leaders to make ending this conflict a priority."

Joseph Kony and the LRA the longest running armed conflict in Africa?

False.

The longest running armed conflict in Africa began with the illegal Arab Muslim imperialist invasion, conquest, occupation, and colonization of northern Africa in the 7th century.

And has not stopped. That is one reason why the Sudanese Arab Islamist government supported and helped fund and train Kony and the LRA up until 2000.

It is why the SAF [Sudanese Armed Forces] perpetrated genocide against southern Sudanese Christians.

It is why the indigenous Egyptian non-Muslim Christian minority is regularly attacked, have their places of worship vandalized, daughters abducted and forced to convert to Islam, and officially discriminated against under Egyptian Islamic Sharia governance.

This is a story that the makers of the Kony video should have called attention to as well. But they didn't.
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To learn how to become involved with the plight of persecuted Christian families and children under Communist, Marxist, and Islamic dictatorships visit this website.
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Following are excerpts from Qsuigley's 'Tragedy and Hope.'

The other aspect of the Pakistani-Peruvian axis rests on its Arabic outlook. The Arabs, like other Semites who emerged from the Arabian desert at various times to infiltrate neighboring Asiatic despotic cultures of urban civilizations were originally nomadic tribal peoples. Their political structure was based on blood relationships and not on territorial jurisdiction. They were warlike, patriarchal, extremist, violent, intolerant and xenophobic.

Like most tribal peoples, their political structure was totalitarian in the sense that all values, all needs all meaningful human experience was contained within the tribe. Persons outside the tribal structure had no value or significance, and there were no obligations or meaning associated in contacts with them. In fact, they were hardly regarded as human beings at all. Moreover, within the tribe, social significance became more intense as blood relationships became closer, moving inward from the tribes through clans to the patriarchal extended family.

The sharp contrast between such a point of view and that associated with Christian society as we know it can be seen in the fact that such Semitic tribalism was endogamous, while the rule of Christian marriage is exogamous. The rules, in fact, were directly antithetical, since Arabic marriage favors unions of first cousins, while Christian marriage has consistently opposed marriage of first or even second cousins. In traditional Arabic society, any girl was bound to marry her father’s brother’s son if he and his father wanted her and she was not usually free to marry someone else until he had rejected her (sometimes after years of waiting).
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Another aspect of Arabic society is the scorn of honest, steady manual work, especially agricultural work. This is a consequence of the fusion of at least three ancient influences.

First, the archaic bureaucratic structure of Asiatic despotism, in which the peasants supported the warriors and scribes, regarded manual workers, especially tillers of the soil, as the lowest layer of society, and regarded the acquisition of literacy and military prowess as the chief roads to escape from physical drudgery.

Second, the fact that Classical Antiquity, whose influence on the subsequent Islamic civilization was very great, was based on slavery, and came to regard agricultural (or other manual) work as fit for slaves, also contributed to this idea.

Third, the Bedouin tradition of pastoral, warlike nomads scorned tillers of the soil as weak and routine persons of no real spirit or character, fit to be conquered or walked on but not to be respected. The combination of these three formed the lack of respect of manual work that is so characteristic of the Pakistani-Peruvian axis.
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Over 40 years ago a man named Cleon Skousen wrote a book titled, "The Naked Capitalist", which is a review and commentary on Dr. Carroll Quigley's Book, "Tragedy and Hope". It is still availabe.

Skousen points out that Quigley's main thrust in the book is that world socialism will triumph, and there is nothing that can be done to stop it.
 
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VOLatile said:
Beat me to it by 2 minutes.
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Turns out your propaganda hero is a bit of a scumbag.

Invisible Children Co-Founder Detained: SDPD | NBC San Diego

A co-founder for Invisible Children was detained in Pacific Beach on Thursday for being drunk in public and masturbating, according to the San Diego Police Department.

Jason Russell, 33, was allegedly found masturbating in public, vandalizing cars and possibly under the influence of something, according to the SDPD. He was detained at the intersection of Ingraham Street and Riviera Road.

An SDPD spokesperson said the man detained was acting very strange, some may say bizarre. Video: SDPD statement "Due to the nature of the detention, he was not arrested," Lt. Andra Brown said. "During the evaluation we learned we probably needed to take him to a medical facility because of statements he was saying."

Police said they received several calls Thursday at 11:30 a.m. of a man in various stages of undress, running through traffic and screaming.
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I would have posted that hours ago but was doing more research on the topic.

Land Destroyer: KONY 2012 Psy-Op Collapsing

...It has been revealed that indeed Invisible Children has been working with USAID, a US government agency that helps lay the groundwork for what could best be described as a modern-day imperial administrative network. It is now also revealed that Invisible Children attended the 2010 US State Department and Fortune 500 sponsored Alliance for Youth Movements (AYM) summit in London.

AYM (also called Movements.org) it was reported, played a central role in preparing armies of US State Department funded, trained, and equipped activists to carry out the so-called "Arab Spring" years in advance.

Much like KONY 2012, the Arab Spring took many by surprise and in the wave of confusion, entire nations were upturned and US proxy regimes installed. Tunisia and Libya are now full fledged client states of Wall Street and London, while the fates of nations like Egypt and Syria still hang in the balance.

Unlike the "Arab Spring" however, the KONY 2012 scam has collapsed almost as fast as it first swept the globe.

And as it falls, it is taking with it the credibility of all who participated in it and promoted it, including the deceitful International Criminal Court (ICC) and its chief prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo, as well as Hollywood and the corporate-media who did all in their power to lie, manipulate and make fools out of millions once more in the pursuit of perpetuating the imperial ambitions of Wall Street and London. ....
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NoisyRoom.net » Blog Archive » Kony 2012: Obama Makes George Soros Richer

The Kony 2012 scam has been revealed and now it is time to look at Obama’s motivation to use American blood and treasure to wage war in Uganda even though Kony has not been seen for six years, is believed to be dead and American interests do not warrant this war.
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Also in 2008, the Africa Institute for Energy Governance, a grantee of the Soros-funded Revenue Watch, helped established [sic] the Publish What You Pay Coalition of Uganda, or PWYP, which was purportedly launched to coordinate and streamline the efforts of the government in promoting transparency and accountability in the oil sector.

Also, a steering committee was formed for PWYP Uganda to develop an agenda for implementing the oil advocacy initiatives and a constitution to guide PWYP’s oil work…

PWYP is directly funded by Soros’ Open Society as well as the the Soros-funded Revenue Watch Institute. PWYP international is actually hosted by the Open Society Foundation in London.

The billionaire’s Open Society Institute, meanwhile, runs numerous offices in Uganda. It maintains a country manager in Uganda, as well as the Open Society Initiative for East Africa, which supports work in Kenya, Tanzania and Uganda.

Soros will make millions – if not billions – off of Uganda’s oil industry and his other interests there.
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Wag the Ugandan Dog

The Ben Barrack Official Blog: Let's talk about something important!

Earlier this week, I wrote about the Kony 2012 video and that while it espouses the noble goal of removing Joseph Kony from the Uganda region, there is also a uniquely surreal aspect to it. The man known as the Machine Gun Preacher, Sam Childers knows more about the region than anyone. He has been on the ground there for fourteen years. He builds orphanages for children and protects them with actual weaponry. In short, he's not your typical missionary.

Childers has issued a response to Invisible Children's Kony 2012 video and while he congratulates the charitable organization for drawing attention to Joseph Kony, he stresses that Kony is just a "small part" of the problem. The larger part? Northern Sudan's president Hassan al-Bashir, who according to Childers, has been the source of Kony's funding for years. Any guesses as to what group Bashir belongs to?

The Muslim Brotherhood.

The success of the Kony 2012 video was no accident. Obama signed an order back in October that sent approximately 100 U.S. Military personnel to Uganda. Six months later, Kony 2012 is made. Yet, there is no mention of Bashir or the group to which he is beholden and has benefited most from the Arab Spring - the Muslim Brotherhood.

Also, did you catch what Childers said beginning at the 3:00 mark?

Take note:

"If all eyes are not focused on South Sudan, what Bashir is doing there, within the next two months, we could have another genocide in South Sudan. It needs to be stopped NOW."
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If there is one thing we've learned about the Obama administration, it's that when it wants to ignore something that doesn't fit its agenda, it's very, very good at doing so. Obama has endorsed the video. White House spokesman Jay Carney jumped on the Kony 2012 bandwagon just days after it was posted to YouTube.
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gsvol said:
Turns out your propaganda hero is a bit of a scumbag.
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You, obviously, didn't read anything on here or you would have seen my comments are AGAINST the Kony video and not in support of the organization in the least. Stop being such a ninny.
 
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