Kyle Rittenhouse - The Truth in 11 Minutes

[VolnJC]

 

[Rickyvol77]

I've never said he was a murderer. What a stupidass response, reflected by someone who has no ability to distinguish detail or apply nuance to a situation. There is plenty of middle ground on this issue but it escapes your narrow, binary thought processes.

Defensive much? I didn’t say that did

 

[USAFgolferVol]

Defensive much? I didn’t say that did

Your response was the extreme opposite position. Not typical of someone who has claimed to be an "executive"

 

[Rickyvol77]

Your response was the extreme opposite position. Not typical of someone who has claimed to be an "executive"

I just said the exact same thing you did only the opposite way to highlight your opinion. Then you somehow whined about it and called names.

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

 

[NCFisher]

@MontyPython
My replies in bold.
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18 year old.

Borrows a rifle from a friend.

Drives to another state.
The gun never left the state of Wisconsin.
There to "protect" an auto dealership.

Auto dealer didn't ask him to protect his place.
That appears to be in dispute. However, nothing you mention thus far is material to whether he shot in self-defense.

Shoots a man.
Rosenbaum, who had threatened to kill members of the small group Rittenhouse was with, apparently perturbed they used an extinguisher to put out a dumpster fire Rosenbaum's group started and began pushing. Rosenbaum waited behind a car to ambush Ritt as he approached him, then began pursuing Ritt and - according to video evidence - appeared to be lunging for him and grabbed the rifle he was holding. BAM!
Runs off.

Identified as an active shooter by onlookers. That's the problem with lawless mobs.

Onlookers attempt to stop active shooter. See 'mob problem'.

Shoots onlookers in "self defense" while running.
?? He shot no onlookers. He fell to the ground and shot Huber who was attacking him with a skateboard; BAM!

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Ask yourself this. Would you be good with your kiddo following the steps above? Immaterial to whether or not he shot in self-defense.

If you are, you have issues. If not... and you're a juror... you find Rittenhouse guilty of manslaughter. Not unless you're a fact-ignoring cud-chewer with an axe to grind in spite of the facts, acting without regard for the law.

If RIttenhouse walks off from this (probably will), I'm sitting back with my popcorn and watching it all burn baby. As it should.
That's because you're a lawless mobster, too.
At least there's two less of you in Wisconsin, and another who's missing his gun arm and unlikely to threaten someone with his again.

 

[NCFisher]

The Floyd family outright threatened jurors so don't be so sure.

In a chilling video that was clearly designed to intimidate, Rice told members of the jury they’re being watched and that he fully expects a guilty verdict. In a menacing tone of voice, he says, “I ain’t even gonna name the people that I know that’s up in the Kenosha [Wisconsin] trial. But it’s cameras in there. It’s definitely cameras up in there. There’s definitely people taking pictures of the juries and everything like that.”

“We know what’s going on, so we need the same results, man. We need the same results,” he said, referencing the guilty verdicts delivered by the jurors in the Derek Chauvin murder trial in April.
George Floyd's 'Nephew' Threatens Rittenhouse Jury in Shock Video

 

[Carl Pickens]

How is it surprising? It was pretty apparent from everything that came out (videos, social media posts, etc.) that each of those that got shot were after the kid.

You’re being logical instead of liberally overly emotional

 

[825VOL]

Watching this prosecutor is perfect example of why most people hate lawyers.

 

[StarRaider]

and another who's missing his gun arm and unlikely to threaten someone with his again.

Lefty, now known as Lyin' Lefty.

 

[Redleg68]

I think he was also trying to shore up the reckless endangerment, or whatever Wisconsin calls it, by saying the FMJ would pass through the first body.

A 7.62 yes, a 5.56 not so much

 

[hUTch2002]

Heh. I'll bite. Go ahead and correct any of the facts I presented.

(Don't make me change your avatar Senor Pig)

Monty! I haven’t seen you around lately. I hope all is well!

 

[RockyTop85]

A 7.62 yes, a 5.56 not so much

It would be the defense’s job to make that clear but I’m not sure if that’s a rabbit worth chasing at this point.

 

[RikidyBones]

It would be the defense’s job to make that clear but I’m not sure if that’s a rabbit worth chasing at this point.

I don't think it is. Prosecutor made himself look like an ass with that topic. Not sure it'll matter.

 

[RockyTop85]

18 year old.

Borrows a rifle from a friend.

Drives to another state.

There to "protect" an auto dealership.

Auto dealer didn't ask him to protect his place.

Shoots a man.

Runs off.

Identified as an active shooter by onlookers.

Onlookers attempt to stop active shooter.

Shoots onlookers in "self defense" while running.

# # #

Ask yourself this. Would you be good with your kiddo following the steps above?

If you are, you have issues. If not... and you're a juror... you find Rittenhouse guilty of manslaughter.

If RIttenhouse walks off from this (probably will), I'm sitting back with my popcorn and watching it all burn baby. As it should.

I’ll be wildly surprised if he’s convicted of anything on the killings. Think that’s self defense all the way down. You can tell by the way both sides and the judge conducted themselves during the defendant’s testimony that the narrative has totally gone against the prosecution.

There’s zero evidence of provocation, which means that it’s a question of proportionality. Which wasn’t the prosecution theory based on what I’ve read.

Jury may see it differently but any time you’re essentially telling the judge to shut up and let you finish building a record while he justifiably rakes you over the coals, your ass is grass.

 

[VolnJC]

I'm not exactly sure what she is saying here...but I really enjoy watching her say it lol

 

[RockyTop85]

I don't think it is. Prosecutor made himself look like an ass with that topic. Not sure it'll matter.

The judge did it for them. He pissed in the judges Wheaties during the jury out by being a condescending jerk over “building a record” on something that has absolutely zero hope of ever being reversed on appeal and the judge made him look like a complete idiot about firearms when the jury got back.

Also, they’re trying to spare him on the murder charge. I’m not sure the defense lawyers are going to stop hammering on that to make sure he doesn’t get convicted of reckless endangerment.

 

[DynaLo]

Nothing bad would have happened to you if..

you hadn’t worn suggestive clothes outside.

you hadn’t parked in that specific parking lot.

you hadn’t walked down that particular street.

you hadn’t ridden the subway that evening.

you hadn’t been at the concert that night.

you hadn’t been in the wrong place at the wrong time.

They say hindsight is 20/20 but life comes at you fast sometimes and you can never accurately predict exactly what’s going to happen next.

 

[KB5252]

18 year old.

Borrows a rifle from a friend.

Drives to another state.

There to "protect" an auto dealership.

Auto dealer didn't ask him to protect his place.

Shoots a man.

Runs off.

Identified as an active shooter by onlookers.

Onlookers attempt to stop active shooter.

Shoots onlookers in "self defense" while running.

# # #

Ask yourself this. Would you be good with your kiddo following the steps above?

If you are, you have issues. If not... and you're a juror... you find Rittenhouse guilty of manslaughter.

If RIttenhouse walks off from this (probably will), I'm sitting back with my popcorn and watching it all burn baby. As it should.

You forgot to mention the first guy he shot had threatened to kill him just minutes before.

Was actively being chased by the man that threatened to kill him and still attempted to retreat until he was cornered and the guy grabbed his weapon.... Only them did he shoot him.

Heard gunshots from directly behind him and again attempted to retreat.

Was assaulted by two others who were both shot.

He wasn't very smart for being there in the first place, but the fact he was armed did indeed save his life.

You can make the argument what he did was extremely stupid and I wouldn't disagree, but the people attempting to kill him were just as stupid if not more so....... Do you consider them victims?

 

[Volaholic320]

It's obvious this is a complete political circus. We're seeing the birth of a dictatorship style justice system,, not better than Russia, Cuba.

 

[StarRaider]

 

[lawgator1]

You forgot to mention the first guy he shot had threatened to kill him just minutes before.

Was actively being chased by the man that threatened to kill him and still attempted to retreat until he was cornered and the guy grabbed his weapon.... Only them did he shoot him.

Heard gunshots from directly behind him and again attempted to retreat.

Was assaulted by two others who were both shot.

He wasn't very smart for being there in the first place, but the fact he was armed did indeed save his life.

You can make the argument what he did was extremely stupid and I wouldn't disagree, but the people attempting to kill him were just as stupid if not more so....... Do you consider them victims?

The solution is two fold.

First, Rittenhouse provoked confrontation. It's why he was there. So he bears at least some criminal culpability for going out of his way (far out of his way) to create his own need to use deadly force.

Second, those who then took the bait as it were and confronted or threatened him also bear some criminal responsibility for what happened.

But the latter does not justify the former.

Had a BLM protestor from Detroit shown up with a rifle to register his dissatisfaction with what was going on and ended up shooting several folks I guarantee you a lot of the people here would view this differently.

 

[Fun coupon VOL]

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This is perfect.

 

[BreatheUT]

What would you call it if you pay an armed person to go protect your property? It sounds like a hired gun to me.

So your argument is you can't protect your property from vandals? The vandals should have free reign to destroy and terrorize but the minute someone is defending against vandals and vandals are wounded or killed, it's the defendents fault? Ookkaay...got it!

 

[newokie03]

The solution is two fold.

First, Rittenhouse provoked confrontation. It's why he was there. So he bears at least some criminal culpability for going out of his way (far out of his way) to create his own need to use deadly force.

Second, those who then took the bait as it were and confronted or threatened him also bear some criminal responsibility for what happened.

But the latter does not justify the former.

Had a BLM protestor from Detroit shown up with a rifle to register his dissatisfaction with what was going on and ended up shooting several folks I guarantee you a lot of the people here would view this differently.