Lack of Discipline

[UneducatedGuess]

I blame of fan base, including posters on this page, for the turmoil that our football team has undergone.

There is no discipline when it comes to developing a program. You all scream and yell for coaches to be fired based on weekly results. And there is NO memory of why we made the decisions we did in the first place.

For instance, you screamed to fire Cutcliffe because you were tired of screen passes and draw plays on 3rd down. Never mind that our offense was efficient, it wasn't on Sportscenter Top 10! So we hired Dave Clawson and whatever it was he brought to the table. That resulted on Fulmer, and his entire staff, being fired.

Then, the University chose to hire a guy who had proven that he could recruit really well. He brought with him coaches who had good prestige, but they weren't buying into Tennessee, they were selling themselves. Therefore, when they bolted the University so did the players they had recruited and the players they were recruiting. Those coaches were self interested, do not mistake it.

So now your team was 10 days out of signing day without a coach. The roster was bare bones and it would be a year before you could recruit. Guess what, your negotiating position sucks. You end up with a coach who wasn't proven, but embraced your tradition and university. In fact, he sold it. He managed to secure a QB and two WRs that would ultimately make our team exciting to watch again. This coaches problem was that he couldn't connect with his kids to win a big game, but at the very least he had reestablished putting Tennessee first. He too made a terrible coordinator change (although you the ever knowing fan base praised the hire at the time). It was the most explosive offense and worst defense any of us have ever witnessed at Tennessee. It was gut wrenching.

Now we have a coach who doesn't accept losing. His staff have been with him at all his stops, where he has won. It works for him. And you, our great fan base, are questioning him, his staff, and there ability in the first year? What the hell is wrong with you? You all don't deserve to be great if you don't know how to endure tough times. Suck. It. Up.

If you have ever built a house, brick by brick, you know that it takes time. It takes sweat. You feel over budget, behind schedule, and you second guess yourself the entire time. You probably bicker with your wife and carry a bit more stress. Until you take the time to accept that these things happen and strive to do better.

Change is coming. Be patient enough to let it get here.

 

[Boca Vol]

You realize that Cutcliffe took the Duke job and that's what necessitated the need to hire an OC.

 

[FLVOL_79]

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[Huh]

This has only been posted 42 million times now.

 

[UneducatedGuess]

You realize that Cutcliffe took the Duke job and that's what necessitated the need to hire an OC.

Yes. I also remember fans being thankful he left and complaining every game before he did.

Fulmer quit developing players, IMO. That's why his staff got the boot.

 

[UneducatedGuess]

This has only been posted 42 million times now.

+1

 

[Rudy123]

My mindset has always been that we will start winning in 2015. Once Bray left for the NFL, I knew that we had a complete rebuilding job to do.

Had Bray stayed for his senior season, our q.b. play would have been good enough to put us over the hump in the UGA & Florida games.

Looking at it from what I believe to be Bray's perspective, he did the right thing. K.C. and Andy Reid is the perfect situation for Bray. No pressure on him right now as the 3rd q.b. and he has an excellent q.b. coach.

2015 we come out of the starting blocks winning games. Our O-line and D-line will be JUCO seniors. Our q.b. will be experienced. Our receivers will be experienced. We get UGA, USC & ( O Bama) in Knoxville in 2015.....

 

[Coastypop]

Where do we get em????

 

[orangeluvr]

The fanbase is not responsible for horrible coaching hires. :no: :loco:

 

[volroadwarrior]

You realize that Cutcliffe took the Duke job and that's what necessitated the need to hire an OC.

You are right about that Boca, but we did have a bunch of bugle mouthed screamers moaning about his "dink and dunk" offense. What he did was adjust the offense to the players on the roster. When he left, the screamers got what they wanted, and guess what they got-----Clawson.

 

[Wylo]

I blame fade route.

 

[volroadwarrior]

My mindset has always been that we will start winning in 2015. Once Bray left for the NFL, I knew that we had a complete rebuilding job to do.

Had Bray stayed for his senior season, our q.b. play would have been good enough to put us over the hump in the UGA & Florida games.

Looking at it from what I believe to be Bray's perspective, he did the right thing. K.C. and Andy Reid is the perfect situation for Bray. No pressure on him right now as the 3rd q.b. and he has an excellent q.b. coach.

2015 we come out of the starting blocks winning games. Our O-line and D-line will be JUCO seniors. Our q.b. will be experienced. Our receivers will be experienced. We get UGA, USC & ( O Bama) in Knoxville in 2015.....

Only one thing wrong about this Rudy, Bray would be sitting on the bench with Maurice Couch if he had stayed. You could be right, though, in your conclusions.

 

[knoxvols11]

The fanbase is not responsible for horrible coaching hires. :no: :loco:

This^^^^^^^^.... Now thread closed. I disagree with OP-from what I remember everyone was glad Cut was back!

 

[soda23]

I blame of fan base, including posters on this page, for the turmoil that our football team has undergone.

There is no discipline when it comes to developing a program. You all scream and yell for coaches to be fired based on weekly results. And there is NO memory of why we made the decisions we did in the first place.

For instance, you screamed to fire Cutcliffe because you were tired of screen passes and draw plays on 3rd down. Never mind that our offense was efficient, it wasn't on Sportscenter Top 10! So we hired Dave Clawson and whatever it was he brought to the table. That resulted on Fulmer, and his entire staff, being fired.

Then, the University chose to hire a guy who had proven that he could recruit really well. He brought with him coaches who had good prestige, but they weren't buying into Tennessee, they were selling themselves. Therefore, when they bolted the University so did the players they had recruited and the players they were recruiting. Those coaches were self interested, do not mistake it.

So now your team was 10 days out of signing day without a coach. The roster was bare bones and it would be a year before you could recruit. Guess what, your negotiating position sucks. You end up with a coach who wasn't proven, but embraced your tradition and university. In fact, he sold it. He managed to secure a QB and two WRs that would ultimately make our team exciting to watch again. This coaches problem was that he couldn't connect with his kids to win a big game, but at the very least he had reestablished putting Tennessee first. He too made a terrible coordinator change (although you the ever knowing fan base praised the hire at the time). It was the most explosive offense and worst defense any of us have ever witnessed at Tennessee. It was gut wrenching.

Now we have a coach who doesn't accept losing. His staff have been with him at all his stops, where he has won. It works for him. And you, our great fan base, are questioning him, his staff, and there ability in the first year? What the hell is wrong with you? You all don't deserve to be great if you don't know how to endure tough times. Suck. It. Up.

If you have ever built a house, brick by brick, you know that it takes time. It takes sweat. You feel over budget, behind schedule, and you second guess yourself the entire time. You probably bicker with your wife and carry a bit more stress. Until you take the time to accept that these things happen and strive to do better.

Change is coming. Be patient enough to let it get here.

My question here, is there is about 2 points per game difference in the defense from last year and the one from this year . What in your opinion makes last years DC so awful and this years so good ??

 

[volinbama256]

look at OP's name, "Uneducated Guess" and go with it.....

 

[oregonvol]

Hahahahahahaha...oh my goodness, where to start....

I blame of fan base, including posters on this page, for the turmoil that our football team has undergone.

Name me one time our "disgruntled fans" has caused a coach to be fired here without cause? I can name you a time where complacent, sheep fans allowed an unqualified coach to get a contract extension with a huge buyout despite never beating a decent opponent.

There is no discipline when it comes to developing a program. You all scream and yell for coaches to be fired based on weekly results. And there is NO memory of why we made the decisions we did in the first place.

For instance, you screamed to fire Cutcliffe because you were tired of screen passes and draw plays on 3rd down. Never mind that our offense was efficient, it wasn't on Sportscenter Top 10!

Ummm, Cutcliffe didn't get fired. He left us high and dry at the first available head coaching opportunity and took most our offensive staff with him. Why the fans are supposed to be loyal to coaches who do stuff like that, I'm not sure.

So we hired Dave Clawson and whatever it was he brought to the table. That resulted on Fulmer, and his entire staff, being fired.

Fulmer didn't get fired due to one bad year. He had almost a decade of diminishing returns and had proved time and again that he couldn't beat the top coaches in the SEC.

Then, the University chose to hire a guy who had proven that he could recruit really well. He brought with him coaches who had good prestige, but they weren't buying into Tennessee, they were selling themselves. Therefore, when they bolted the University so did the players they had recruited and the players they were recruiting. Those coaches were self interested, do not mistake it.

Yep, self-interested like Cutcliffe.

So now your team was 10 days out of signing day without a coach. The roster was bare bones and it would be a year before you could recruit. Guess what, your negotiating position sucks. You end up with a coach who wasn't proven, but embraced your tradition and university.

We had a coach on staff (Kippy Brown) with a better resume. Lots of other programs have had to deal with last minute coaching changes, they don't get stuck for 3 years with a guy who is a proven loser. And there is no proof that we couldn't have hired someone like a Sumlin or that we exhausted all options of decent mid major coaches or that we even offered any accomplished coordinators beyond Muschamp.

In fact, he sold it. He managed to secure a QB and two WRs that would ultimately make our team exciting to watch again.

Actually Bray was already here (and Rogers was considered a silent commit). And most of the class were Kiffin recruits. If they weren't, then why did recruiting get worse (dropping off every year), the longer Dooley had to sell the program?

This coaches problem was that he couldn't connect with his kids to win a big game, but at the very least he had reestablished putting Tennessee first. He too made a terrible coordinator change (although you the ever knowing fan base praised the hire at the time). It was the most explosive offense and worst defense any of us have ever witnessed at Tennessee. It was gut wrenching.

Dooley had alot of problems. I don't know if you can limit it to just one or two given his unprecedented level of failure.

I didn't praise the Sunseri hire or the idea of switching to a 3-4. I don't know where you got the idea that everyone did.

Now we have a coach who doesn't accept losing. His staff have been with him at all his stops, where he has won. It works for him. And you, our great fan base, are questioning him, his staff, and there ability in the first year? What the hell is wrong with you? You all don't deserve to be great if you don't know how to endure tough times. Suck. It. Up.

What does it mean "doesn't accept losing"? Couldn't you say that about any coach? I mean is there something different with him specifically? He still has lost alot.

And who wouldn't question a coach who is 4-6 in their first year? Florida fans questioned Urban Meyer in his first year. I guess they didn't deserve to be great. I guess most vol fans did deserve to be great though. Most didn't question the Dooley hire after he went 6-7 his first year. He got a contract extension and a huge buyout. How did that work out?

If you have ever built a house, brick by brick, you know that it takes time. It takes sweat. You feel over budget, behind schedule, and you second guess yourself the entire time. You probably bicker with your wife and carry a bit more stress. Until you take the time to accept that these things happen and strive to do better.

Change is coming. Be patient enough to let it get here.

Yeah, you can say that about any coach, good or bad. The thing is, they're not construction workers. They get paid millions of dollars, they're expected to over-achieve. They can deal with criticism when they don't.

 

[TucsonVol]

I blame of fan base, including posters on this page, for the turmoil that our football team has undergone.

There is no discipline when it comes to developing a program. You all scream and yell for coaches to be fired based on weekly results. And there is NO memory of why we made the decisions we did in the first place.

For instance, you screamed to fire Cutcliffe because you were tired of screen passes and draw plays on 3rd down. Never mind that our offense was efficient, it wasn't on Sportscenter Top 10! So we hired Dave Clawson and whatever it was he brought to the table. That resulted on Fulmer, and his entire staff, being fired.

Then, the University chose to hire a guy who had proven that he could recruit really well. He brought with him coaches who had good prestige, but they weren't buying into Tennessee, they were selling themselves. Therefore, when they bolted the University so did the players they had recruited and the players they were recruiting. Those coaches were self interested, do not mistake it.

So now your team was 10 days out of signing day without a coach. The roster was bare bones and it would be a year before you could recruit. Guess what, your negotiating position sucks. You end up with a coach who wasn't proven, but embraced your tradition and university. In fact, he sold it. He managed to secure a QB and two WRs that would ultimately make our team exciting to watch again. This coaches problem was that he couldn't connect with his kids to win a big game, but at the very least he had reestablished putting Tennessee first. He too made a terrible coordinator change (although you the ever knowing fan base praised the hire at the time). It was the most explosive offense and worst defense any of us have ever witnessed at Tennessee. It was gut wrenching.

Now we have a coach who doesn't accept losing. His staff have been with him at all his stops, where he has won. It works for him. And you, our great fan base, are questioning him, his staff, and there ability in the first year? What the hell is wrong with you? You all don't deserve to be great if you don't know how to endure tough times. Suck. It. Up.

If you have ever built a house, brick by brick, you know that it takes time. It takes sweat. You feel over budget, behind schedule, and you second guess yourself the entire time. You probably bicker with your wife and carry a bit more stress. Until you take the time to accept that these things happen and strive to do better.

Change is coming. Be patient enough to let it get here.

Coaches are paid to be effective an if not they are replaced. If you work for a living and do not do your job, you are replaced. Simple as that. By the way, check your spelling in the first sentence.

 

[volglass]

It is our job as fans to support the university's football team by attendance, merchandise, donations, and TV ratings. It is the administration's job to give us a product worth buying.

If the Board of Trustee's isn't listening to the fan base, they aren't doing their job. However, if they are basing their coaching decisions from VolNation instead of through their multitude of resources and experience, then I have a message for them: FIRE YOURSELVES.

 

[LA Vol]

LMAO at anyone blaming the fan base. UT probably has the best fan base in college football. Who else would continue to pack one of the biggest stadiums in America when the team has sucked in historic fashion for six years? Six years, four coaches, dozens of staff changes, the worst HC and AD in school history, the Great Recession, high ticket prices/donor fees and through it all, hundreds of thousands of loyal fans continue to pack the stadium. The problem isn't in the stands. Never has been.

 

[Eddie Vol Halen]

LMAO at anyone blaming the fan base. UT probably has the best fan base in college football. Who else would continue to pack one of the biggest stadiums in America when the team has sucked in historic fashion for six years? Six years, four coaches, dozens of staff changes, the worst HC and AD in school history, the Great Recession, high ticket prices/donor fees and through it all, hundreds of thousands of loyal fans continue to pack the stadium. The problem isn't in the stands. Never has been.

Freak should put this on a virtual plaque on VN that all posters have to touch with their mouse in order to post, a la the players going through the tunnel and the "I will give my all for Tennessee" board.

 

[oregonvol]

LMAO at anyone blaming the fan base. UT probably has the best fan base in college football. Who else would continue to pack one of the biggest stadiums in America when the team has sucked in historic fashion for six years? Six years, four coaches, dozens of staff changes, the worst HC and AD in school history, the Great Recession, high ticket prices/donor fees and through it all, hundreds of thousands of loyal fans continue to pack the stadium. The problem isn't in the stands. Never has been.

This.

 

[HOAV]

Feels like November on Volnation now

 

[rickyb712]

hahahahahahhahahahhahahhah really i didnt know i had the power to get a coach fired thought it was the alumni with all the monet. thanks now that i know i do bball coach better get it going

 

[UneducatedGuess]

LMAO at anyone blaming the fan base. UT probably has the best fan base in college football. Who else would continue to pack one of the biggest stadiums in America when the team has sucked in historic fashion for six years? Six years, four coaches, dozens of staff changes, the worst HC and AD in school history, the Great Recession, high ticket prices/donor fees and through it all, hundreds of thousands of loyal fans continue to pack the stadium. The problem isn't in the stands. Never has been.

I didn't realize 85,000 was considering packing the stadium, my bad. I stand corrected.

 

[UneducatedGuess]

Coaches are paid to be effective an if not they are replaced. If you work for a living and do not do your job, you are replaced. Simple as that. By the way, check your spelling in the first sentence.

How long do you get to prove yourself? In your very honest opinion? That is all I really asking.