Lack of Discipline

#51
#51
Oskie Volum said:
It's not infatuation with dooley himself as much as not thinking that the coach that was hired wasn't given enough time to do what he needed.

It's funny how dooley was in on some really solid talent like the Greens last year. Sealed up Hunter and Rogers within 10 days etc. But some goober on a forum knows how to recruit in the SEC better than he does. Ok bud...smh.

I can't understand how people like u can't understand that it's not easy to sell that he was going to be on the job long term when he starts his 2nd year on the hot seat with a new AD. Then try to do it with all the stupid grudenites last year. Like I said in my original post if Hart would have come in and backed him up 100% to help squash all hot seat and gruden talk then it would be easier to convince players he was being given the right time. Imo if the gruden talk never got started last year we could have had a win or 2 more. Imo it engulfed the program horribly.

Do u remember Santos and Peters last wknd decomitting?? Yeah things happen and when u have to build at EVERY position on the team because the previous couch left u 65 or so players it takes time.

Of course I remember the Troy and missouri games...we beat troy and we lost in OT to mizzou. How did we do versus mizzou this year?? Do u remember??

Please understand that my opinion on the dooley era is that he never had the opportunity to only be the HC 100%. He came in dealing with so much crap that he was more AD than HC. Which imo the AD was in need of getting fixed first so that the program could be fixed. That's a different type of rebuilding. Something that CBJ doesn't have to deal with. Luckily. And why I expect him to get things done ASAP.
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You can make all the excuses for him that you want to. The bottom line is, his recruiting ranked poorly in the SEC. It doesn't take an SEC recruiter to realize that. Never mind the fact that each year his recruiting classes were ranked in the bottom half of the conference, anyone with a smidgeon of intellect can tell we have no team speed, especially on defense. Why we are still here arguing this point when most sane, rational people realize Dooley was an abject failure is beyond me.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
It's not infatuation with dooley himself as much as not thinking that the coach that was hired wasn't given enough time to do what he needed.

It's funny how dooley was in on some really solid talent like the Greens last year. Sealed up Hunter and Rogers within 10 days etc. But some goober on a forum knows how to recruit in the SEC better than he does. Ok bud...smh.

I can't understand how people like u can't understand that it's not easy to sell that he was going to be on the job long term when he starts his 2nd year on the hot seat with a new AD. Then try to do it with all the stupid grudenites last year. Like I said in my original post if Hart would have come in and backed him up 100% to help squash all hot seat and gruden talk then it would be easier to convince players he was being given the right time. Imo if the gruden talk never got started last year we could have had a win or 2 more. Imo it engulfed the program horribly.

Do u remember Santos and Peters last wknd decomitting?? Yeah things happen and when u have to build at EVERY position on the team because the previous couch left u 65 or so players it takes time.

Of course I remember the Troy and missouri games...we beat troy and we lost in OT to mizzou. How did we do versus mizzou this year?? Do u remember??

Please understand that my opinion on the dooley era is that he never had the opportunity to only be the HC 100%. He came in dealing with so much crap that he was more AD than HC. Which imo the AD was in need of getting fixed first so that the program could be fixed. That's a different type of rebuilding. Something that CBJ doesn't have to deal with. Luckily. And why I expect him to get things done ASAP.
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The program only got worse under Dooley. Good coaching can help make up for a lack of talent. That was never evident under Dooley. With a competent coach, UT was a 9-10 win team last season.
 
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Godfatha said:
You can make all the excuses for him that you want to. The bottom line is, his recruiting ranked poorly in the SEC. It doesn't take an SEC recruiter to realize that. Never mind the fact that each year his recruiting classes were ranked in the bottom half of the conference, anyone with a smidgeon of intellect can tell we have no team speed, especially on defense. Why we are still here arguing this point when most sane, rational people realize Dooley was an abject failure is beyond me.
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Ha!!! In a forum full of "excuses" for the current coach. And you even throw one in there with the whole "can't teach speed" comment. HA!! Nice job!! :good!: :crazy:

Well obviously my intellect must be higher than most on here because its tough for so many to see the differences in the situations between when Dooley walked in and CBJ did. I'm ok with that.

(hey bud…you can try to subtly (or not subtly) insult me all you want and try to be cool with a name like "godfatha" so people think you are tough or due respect, but don't waste your time trying to swing your internet big stick with me. We can have a discussion and hash it out without you trying to belittle me. Trust me it won't work, and you won't win out. Just sayin...:hi:)
 
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DarthVisor said:
The program only got worse under Dooley. Good coaching can help make up for a lack of talent. That was never evident under Dooley. With a competent coach, UT was a 9-10 win team last season.
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Soooo what are all the excuses for, and why is my schools defense on the verge of surpassing last yrs in being the worse in my schools history???

I thought this was the best coaching staff in the country??? But but but he won championships??? Which I love it when I hear cause no one mentions how '11 and '12 championships were shared. Whats that all about??

I don't know if CBJ is going to get it straighten out, and I wish him the best of luck as its best for my school. BTW I did need some gamecock to tell me about cfb.
 
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Godfatha said:
You can make all the excuses for him that you want to. The bottom line is, his recruiting ranked poorly in the SEC. It doesn't take an SEC recruiter to realize that. Never mind the fact that each year his recruiting classes were ranked in the bottom half of the conference, anyone with a smidgeon of intellect can tell we have no team speed, especially on defense. Why we are still here arguing this point when most sane, rational people realize Dooley was an abject failure is beyond me.
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One last thing…I find it funny how people on hear act like Dooley didn't know how to recruit in the SEC. Instead of seeing all that made it difficult for him to recruit the way he would have wanted.

I know I know all y'all on here know better than a guy that grew up in the SEC seeing things that not a single person on here has ever seen but many would love to (behind UTs scene of course). Also, I know you and so many know better than Saban's recruiting coordinator at LSU from '00-'02. Yeah you know some players that were used to win the NC in '03. Yeah the guy has NO CLUE about recruiting in the SEC…because guys with "smidgeon of intellect" on forums said so. :crazy:
 
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Oskie Volum said:
One last thing…I find it funny how people on hear act like Dooley didn't know how to recruit in the SEC. Instead of seeing all that made it difficult for him to recruit the way he would have wanted.

I know I know all y'all on here know better than a guy that grew up in the SEC seeing things that not a single person on here has ever seen but many would love to (behind UTs scene of course). Also, I know you and so many know better than Saban's recruiting coordinator at LSU from '00-'02. Yeah you know some players that were used to win the NC in '03. Yeah the guy has NO CLUE about recruiting in the SEC…because guys with "smidgeon of intellect" on forums said so. :crazy:
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Yeah, Saban's had alot of trouble recruiting since then. Good point.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
Soooo what are all the excuses for, and why is my schools defense on the verge of surpassing last yrs in being the worse in my schools history???

I thought this was the best coaching staff in the country??? But but but he won championships??? Which I love it when I hear cause no one mentions how '11 and '12 championships were shared. Whats that all about??

I don't know if CBJ is going to get it straighten out, and I wish him the best of luck as its best for my school. BTW I did need some gamecock to tell me about cfb.

If you're still defending Doofus, then it is likely you don't watch much football. Period.
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I wasn't defending CBJ. I was simply pointing out the flaws in what you were saying. I do think calling the current staff the best in the country is a stretch.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
One last thing…I find it funny how people on hear act like Dooley didn't know how to recruit in the SEC. Instead of seeing all that made it difficult for him to recruit the way he would have wanted.

I know I know all y'all on here know better than a guy that grew up in the SEC seeing things that not a single person on here has ever seen but many would love to (behind UTs scene of course). Also, I know you and so many know better than Saban's recruiting coordinator at LSU from '00-'02. Yeah you know some players that were used to win the NC in '03. Yeah the guy has NO CLUE about recruiting in the SEC…because guys with "smidgeon of intellect" on forums said so. :crazy:
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Sensitive much? If anyone is making feeble efforts to belittle others, it is you. I don't really care. I think you're absolute batshat crazy for thinking Dooley was going to get the ship righted. Last year was his chance and he failed miserably. As far as being Saban's recruiting coordinator, that didn't translate into his landing top classes, did it?

As far as Hart, don't you think he would have rather seen Dooley succeed than be forced to pay him that buyout? What imaginary obstacles did Hart place in Dooley's way in order to make it more difficult on him recruiting?
 
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2013 edition of the Vols suffer from the lack of desire as well as lack of talent.
 
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UneducatedGuess said:
I blame of fan base, including posters on this page, for the turmoil that our football team has undergone.

There is no discipline when it comes to developing a program. You all scream and yell for coaches to be fired based on weekly results. And there is NO memory of why we made the decisions we did in the first place.

For instance, you screamed to fire Cutcliffe because you were tired of screen passes and draw plays on 3rd down. Never mind that our offense was efficient, it wasn't on Sportscenter Top 10! So we hired Dave Clawson and whatever it was he brought to the table. That resulted on Fulmer, and his entire staff, being fired.

Then, the University chose to hire a guy who had proven that he could recruit really well. He brought with him coaches who had good prestige, but they weren't buying into Tennessee, they were selling themselves. Therefore, when they bolted the University so did the players they had recruited and the players they were recruiting. Those coaches were self interested, do not mistake it.

So now your team was 10 days out of signing day without a coach. The roster was bare bones and it would be a year before you could recruit. Guess what, your negotiating position sucks. You end up with a coach who wasn't proven, but embraced your tradition and university. In fact, he sold it. He managed to secure a QB and two WRs that would ultimately make our team exciting to watch again. This coaches problem was that he couldn't connect with his kids to win a big game, but at the very least he had reestablished putting Tennessee first. He too made a terrible coordinator change (although you the ever knowing fan base praised the hire at the time). It was the most explosive offense and worst defense any of us have ever witnessed at Tennessee. It was gut wrenching.

Now we have a coach who doesn't accept losing. His staff have been with him at all his stops, where he has won. It works for him. And you, our great fan base, are questioning him, his staff, and there ability in the first year? What the hell is wrong with you? You all don't deserve to be great if you don't know how to endure tough times. Suck. It. Up.

If you have ever built a house, brick by brick, you know that it takes time. It takes sweat. You feel over budget, behind schedule, and you second guess yourself the entire time. You probably bicker with your wife and carry a bit more stress. Until you take the time to accept that these things happen and strive to do better.

Change is coming. Be patient enough to let it get here.
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The first sentence was so moronic that I didn't bother to read the rest.
 
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UneducatedGuess said:
I didn't say "oregonvol caused coaches to be fired". I'm referring to the mass of posters on this site.

For people to underestimate the power of the "digital voice" is a mistake. Social media is where businesses across the US take the temperature of "customer satisfaction" these days.

Don't believe me? Next time you are on old with Time Warner Cable, AT&T or Verizon and you are frustrated, simply go to their Facebook page and post a complaint. They will immediately respond to you and fix the issue.

Don't believe me still? Ask any major developer, local politician, or anyone involved in a project that has opponents. They all refer to Facebook, Youtube, Google, etc., to poll how the "public" feels about a project.

The digital voices weighs heavy on AD's and BOT's balancing whether the fan base is "satisfied" or not. Fan base "satisfaction" translates to ticket sales, etc. in the mind of the AD's and BOT's.

I'm simply stating that the majority our fan base refuses to accept that there are rungs on the ladder that we have to climb to get our of a basement where Kentucky and Vanderbilt are worthy opponents.

We didn't get down here by accident. But we do need to have a little patience and trust in our current coaching staff to get out. :hi:
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Unless the Haslams post here, you vastly over estimate the power of this website.
 
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DarthVisor said:
The program only got worse under Dooley. Good coaching can help make up for a lack of talent. That was never evident under Dooley. With a competent coach, UT was a 9-10 win team last season.
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You're dreaming ... We may have had an 8- 9 win offense but we only had a 2-3 win defense. We ended up about where we belonged . Our defense was putrid last year and is about the same this year
 
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soda23 said:
You're dreaming ... We may have had an 8- 9 win offense but we only had a 2-3 win defense. We ended up about where we belonged . Our defense was putrid last year and is about the same this year
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Your defensive issues had more to do with coaching than anything. Coaching has been the primary issue for the last three years.
 
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soda23 said:
My question here, is there is about 2 points per game difference in the defense from last year and the one from this year . What in your opinion makes last years DC so awful and this years so good ??
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NC State vs Oregon (no doubt who is better and scores more)
Georgia State vs Austin Peay (even)
Akron vs Western Ky. (pickem)
Mississippi St. vs Auburn (No doubt which team puts up more points)
Troy vs South Alabama (even)


Look at the level of competition that has been played this year to last year. UT has played two teams in Oregon and Auburn that put up more points than NC State and Mississippi St. even thought about last year. And the defensive numbers have decreased. I would call that an improvement on the defensive side of the ball.
 
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