Lack of Discipline

[UneducatedGuess]

Hahahahahahaha...oh my goodness, where to start....

I didn't say "oregonvol caused coaches to be fired". I'm referring to the mass of posters on this site.

For people to underestimate the power of the "digital voice" is a mistake. Social media is where businesses across the US take the temperature of "customer satisfaction" these days.

Don't believe me? Next time you are on old with Time Warner Cable, AT&T or Verizon and you are frustrated, simply go to their Facebook page and post a complaint. They will immediately respond to you and fix the issue.

Don't believe me still? Ask any major developer, local politician, or anyone involved in a project that has opponents. They all refer to Facebook, Youtube, Google, etc., to poll how the "public" feels about a project.

The digital voices weighs heavy on AD's and BOT's balancing whether the fan base is "satisfied" or not. Fan base "satisfaction" translates to ticket sales, etc. in the mind of the AD's and BOT's.

I'm simply stating that the majority our fan base refuses to accept that there are rungs on the ladder that we have to climb to get our of a basement where Kentucky and Vanderbilt are worthy opponents.

We didn't get down here by accident. But we do need to have a little patience and trust in our current coaching staff to get out. :hi:

 

[vosams]

My mindset has always been that we will start winning in 2015. Once Bray left for the NFL, I knew that we had a complete rebuilding job to do.

Had Bray stayed for his senior season, our q.b. play would have been good enough to put us over the hump in the UGA & Florida games.

Looking at it from what I believe to be Bray's perspective, he did the right thing. K.C. and Andy Reid is the perfect situation for Bray. No pressure on him right now as the 3rd q.b. and he has an excellent q.b. coach.

2015 we come out of the starting blocks winning games. Our O-line and D-line will be JUCO seniors. Our q.b. will be experienced. Our receivers will be experienced. We get UGA, USC & ( O Bama) in Knoxville in 2015.....

False, we play Alabama in Tuscaloosa in 2015. We play them in Knoxville on even years.

 

[Biopsyman]

Patience worked well for VCR's

 

[RockCityVol]

I see a lack of discipline in a few of our novelists......sorry I meant to say volnation posters.

 

[give_him 6]

The fanbase is not responsible for horrible coaching hires. :no: :loco:

Every major college football program has an impatient, never satisfied faction. We are no different and we are not to blame. Its nearly been 10 years of mediocre - bad football. We're all starving for something to believe in.

 

[oregonvol]

I didn't realize 85,000 was considering packing the stadium, my bad. I stand corrected.

And how many 4-6 teams have 85,000 coming to their games?

 

[utvolkyle06]

The fanbase is not responsible for horrible coaching hires. :no: :loco:

Nor terrible performance on the field.

 

[Oskie Volum]

The fan base can be blamed for the Gruden fiasco of last year, and how it negatively engulfed the program in such a way most didn't see any positives from last season. Yes there were positives. Last yrs team fought hard in many games and kept teams on their toes most of the game. That was progress over the year before. Were there issues yes but at least every game, other than bama (no surprise) and Vandy (gruden and bray throwing the game), we at least had chances to win the games into the 4th qtr. At least I didn't feel like turning the TV off at half (and no I didn't the last few weeks so don't call me a no fan)

I also put the Gruden fiasco on Hart. Imo either hart and dooley did not get along so he wanted him out or Hart just wanted to get his own coach in. Which happens with a new AD. It was no secret that Haden didn't care for Kiffen but he squashed any fan uprising to fire him ASAP. Hart let it muster and so did Gruden, and "The Legion of Miserable" took it and were fooled. Now they r the "he gets it" crowd that fall for every little marketing scheme that can come up with. Hart is on the clock now. So imo if in a few yrs if CBJ doesn't pan out and we need a new coach then Hart may need to go too. So we hire a AD and he can brings in someone he wants. Instead of having to deal with a switch.

At the end of the day UT Athletics as a whole was a hot mess when dooley was hired. So the fact that he was a Coach/AD combo was the big reason why he was hired. Throw on top of it that he knew the SEC better than most (and yes even more than most on here) it's not really hard to understand why he was hired out of the 1 or 2 others that were rumored to "want" the job. Especially after kif did his best to take the UT out of UT. Seriously if anyone really thinks that Sumlin would have done any good at UT in the situation we were in seriously has no clue what they r talking about and need to look into his resume and not just his w/l record.
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[FLVOL_79]

LMAO at anyone blaming the fan base. UT probably has the best fan base in college football. Who else would continue to pack one of the biggest stadiums in America when the team has sucked in historic fashion for six years? Six years, four coaches, dozens of staff changes, the worst HC and AD in school history, the Great Recession, high ticket prices/donor fees and through it all, hundreds of thousands of loyal fans continue to pack the stadium. The problem isn't in the stands. Never has been.

5 years..I believe 6 years ago Tennessee had 10 wins and whipped Wisconsin in a bowl game..

 

[oregonvol]

The fan base can be blamed for the Gruden fiasco of last year, and how it negatively engulfed the program in such a way most didn't see any positives from last season. Yes there were positives. Last yrs team fought hard in many games and kept teams on their toes most of the game. That was progress over the year before. Were there issues yes but at least every game, other than bama (no surprise) and Vandy (gruden and bray throwing the game), we at least had chances to win the games into the 4th qtr. At least I didn't feel like turning the TV off at half (and no I didn't the last few weeks so don't call me a no fan)

Yes, volnation, you read that right. Oskie just blamed Jon Gruden (or fan obsession with Jon Gruden???) for losing the Vanderbilt game last year.

Wow. I have now seen it all.

 

[Oskie Volum]

Yes, volnation, you read that right. Oskie just blamed Jon Gruden (or fan obsession with Jon Gruden???) for losing the Vanderbilt game last year.

Wow. I have now seen it all.

U know I meant the Gruden obsession that engulfed the program last year. Heck it got to the pt where former players were tweeting it, and it was on espn. Yeah let's have the nation think he's our new coach and expect that the current coach to go and sit in front of recruits and their parents. Wonder why Dooley's last class was so bare....smh.

Well I'm glad u finally heard it and learned a different view today bud. U r welcome!!
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[LA Vol]

5 years..I believe 6 years ago Tennessee had 10 wins and whipped Wisconsin in a bowl game..

Sadly, that was 2007. We won the SECe that year and were ranked just outside the Top 10 (#12, IIRC), with Fulmer, Chavis and Cutcliffe. The next year-- 2008-- we had the Clawfense and went 5-7. We would have gone 6-6, but firing Fulmer caused the team to collapse and lose to OMG Wyoming.

Not giving Cutcliffe a bump to keep him started this wretched slide into the abyss that has taken us from a ranked team to the bottom of the SEC.

 

[H2O Vol]

I blame of fan base, including posters on this page, for the turmoil that our football team has undergone...

:no:

Results or the lack there of dictate whether or not a coach (and /or staff) remain or are released.

We're a passionate fan base, and the envy of many a program. It's a good thing.

GBO!

 

[Godfatha]

The opposite of a passionate fan base is an apathetic one. Apathy kills programs. Give me a fan base that actually gives a damn about winning.

 

[Godfatha]

U know I meant the Gruden obsession that engulfed the program last year. Heck it got to the pt where former players were tweeting it, and it was on espn. Yeah let's have the nation think he's our new coach and expect that the current coach to go and sit in front of recruits and their parents. Wonder why Dooley's last class was so bare....smh.

Well I'm glad u finally heard it and learned a different view today bud. U r welcome!!
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The wheels were falling off long before the Vanderbilt game. Do you not remember the Troy or Missouri games? Do you remember the Akron game? I seriously do not get your infatuation with Dooley. He couldn't recruit as a head coach at an SEC level and he couldn't head coach at an SEC level. There is absolutely no, none, zip, zero, nil, nada evidence that shows he could do either of those two things in the SEC.

 

[Godfatha]

I blame of fan base, including posters on this page, for the turmoil that our football team has undergone.

Are Bama fans to blame for their success? They wouldn't put up with failure either. Yes, they went through a few bad coaches, but their AD and boosters stepped up when they got tired of losing. I don't think our AD and boosters have gotten tired enough of losing yet.

That's not an indictment on Butch Jones. He's recruiting well, something Dooley did not do, so he at least deserves the benefit of the doubt for a couple of years.

 

[patrick]

The fan base has no culpability for anything that has taken place with respect to the UT Football Program over the past 7-8 years. It is foolish and outlandish to blame of the mess on fans.

 

[Hoghater]

I'm sorry guys/girls lack of discipline is my fault.

 

[UneducatedGuess]

That's not an indictment on Butch Jones. He's recruiting well, something Dooley did not do, so he at least deserves the benefit of the doubt for a couple of years.

This is my point. He does. I'm sick of reading threads saying we should fire a first year coach or any of his staff.

 

[huskyvol]

This has only been posted 42 million times now.

Honestly this can be posted to almost every thread on here. People come on here to vent their frustrations, and wow they sure do take full advantage of it.

 

[GrowVol]

We shoulda. If only we woulda. WE ARE NOT GOOD ANYMORE BUT WE HAVE A COACH THAT IS GOING TO GET US GOOD AGAIN. By the way, where is auburn rated with recruiting?

 

[Oskie Volum]

The wheels were falling off long before the Vanderbilt game. Do you not remember the Troy or Missouri games? Do you remember the Akron game? I seriously do not get your infatuation with Dooley. He couldn't recruit as a head coach at an SEC level and he couldn't head coach at an SEC level. There is absolutely no, none, zip, zero, nil, nada evidence that shows he could do either of those two things in the SEC.

It's not infatuation with dooley himself as much as not thinking that the coach that was hired wasn't given enough time to do what he needed.

It's funny how dooley was in on some really solid talent like the Greens last year. Sealed up Hunter and Rogers within 10 days etc. But some goober on a forum knows how to recruit in the SEC better than he does. Ok bud...smh.

I can't understand how people like u can't understand that it's not easy to sell that he was going to be on the job long term when he starts his 2nd year on the hot seat with a new AD. Then try to do it with all the stupid grudenites last year. Like I said in my original post if Hart would have come in and backed him up 100% to help squash all hot seat and gruden talk then it would be easier to convince players he was being given the right time. Imo if the gruden talk never got started last year we could have had a win or 2 more. Imo it engulfed the program horribly.

Do u remember Santos and Peters last wknd decomitting?? Yeah things happen and when u have to build at EVERY position on the team because the previous couch left u 65 or so players it takes time.

Of course I remember the Troy and missouri games...we beat troy and we lost in OT to mizzou. How did we do versus mizzou this year?? Do u remember??

Please understand that my opinion on the dooley era is that he never had the opportunity to only be the HC 100%. He came in dealing with so much crap that he was more AD than HC. Which imo the AD was in need of getting fixed first so that the program could be fixed. That's a different type of rebuilding. Something that CBJ doesn't have to deal with. Luckily. And why I expect him to get things done ASAP.
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[butchna]

It's not infatuation with dooley himself as much as not thinking that the coach that was hired wasn't given enough time to do what he needed.

It's funny how dooley was in on some really solid talent like the Greens last year. Sealed up Hunter and Rogers within 10 days etc. But some goober on a forum knows how to recruit in the SEC better than he does. Ok bud...smh.

I can't understand how people like u can't understand that it's not easy to sell that he was going to be on the job long term when he starts his 2nd year on the hot seat with a new AD. Then try to do it with all the stupid grudenites last year. Like I said in my original post if Hart would have come in and backed him up 100% to help squash all hot seat and gruden talk then it would be easier to convince players he was being given the right time. Imo if the gruden talk never got started last year we could have had a win or 2 more. Imo it engulfed the program horribly.

Do u remember Santos and Peters last wknd decomitting?? Yeah things happen and when u have to build at EVERY position on the team because the previous couch left u 65 or so players it takes time.

Of course I remember the Troy and missouri games...we beat troy and we lost in OT to mizzou. How did we do versus mizzou this year?? Do u remember??

Please understand that my opinion on the dooley era is that he never had the opportunity to only be the HC 100%. He came in dealing with so much crap that he was more AD than HC. Which imo the AD was in need of getting fixed first so that the program could be fixed. That's a different type of rebuilding. Something that CBJ doesn't have to deal with. Luckily. And why I expect him to get things done ASAP.
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So what will end the torture for you?...a signed petition from all the sorry VN posters who didn't give your coach the time he needed to fix our program? A firing of both Hart and Cheek?...A rehiring of Hamilton so he can be fired again? A sticky from Freak extolling the martyrdom of said Dooley?...or fire Butch and rehire Dooley?...with a 10 million buyout...sounds doable...should fix the Jancek issue in any case
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[govols1960]

You know we can all ***** and moan about woulda coulda shoulda.....and it want change one damn thing on the field next saturday. Our road back to competing in the SEC is going to be long and tuff. So buckle your sest belts its going to be a long bumpy ride vol fans!!

 

[sbigdaddy]

I blame of fan base, including posters on this page, for the turmoil that our football team has undergone.

There is no discipline when it comes to developing a program. You all scream and yell for coaches to be fired based on weekly results. And there is NO memory of why we made the decisions we did in the first place.

For instance, you screamed to fire Cutcliffe because you were tired of screen passes and draw plays on 3rd down. Never mind that our offense was efficient, it wasn't on Sportscenter Top 10! So we hired Dave Clawson and whatever it was he brought to the table. That resulted on Fulmer, and his entire staff, being fired.

Then, the University chose to hire a guy who had proven that he could recruit really well. He brought with him coaches who had good prestige, but they weren't buying into Tennessee, they were selling themselves. Therefore, when they bolted the University so did the players they had recruited and the players they were recruiting. Those coaches were self interested, do not mistake it.

So now your team was 10 days out of signing day without a coach. The roster was bare bones and it would be a year before you could recruit. Guess what, your negotiating position sucks. You end up with a coach who wasn't proven, but embraced your tradition and university. In fact, he sold it. He managed to secure a QB and two WRs that would ultimately make our team exciting to watch again. This coaches problem was that he couldn't connect with his kids to win a big game, but at the very least he had reestablished putting Tennessee first. He too made a terrible coordinator change (although you the ever knowing fan base praised the hire at the time). It was the most explosive offense and worst defense any of us have ever witnessed at Tennessee. It was gut wrenching.

Now we have a coach who doesn't accept losing. His staff have been with him at all his stops, where he has won. It works for him. And you, our great fan base, are questioning him, his staff, and there ability in the first year? What the hell is wrong with you? You all don't deserve to be great if you don't know how to endure tough times. Suck. It. Up.

If you have ever built a house, brick by brick, you know that it takes time. It takes sweat. You feel over budget, behind schedule, and you second guess yourself the entire time. You probably bicker with your wife and carry a bit more stress. Until you take the time to accept that these things happen and strive to do better.

Change is coming. Be patient enough to let it get here.

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