Lady Vol Softball.

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LVJeff said:
By the way, congratulations for deftly dodging the question at hand. I knew you could do it.
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They needed a leader with vision to introduce the idea to them. You weren't seeing a clamoring for the name change because the thought never occurred to most of them. It is a genius maneuver to silo the Power T brand and reach for the stars. Now that the idea has been presented to everyone, there is no need for the affirmative voices to rise. They have recognized the power and focus represented by the singular name and they are celebrating the affirmative nature of their agreement. There is only a miniature minority of offended parties that cares to be disruptive to the unity. I am actually critical of Dave Hart for allowing the Athletic Department to be bullied by the Pat crowd into keeping the Lady Vol name for basketball. It actually undermines his selling of the name change. Were he to have changed it also, there would have been no criticism left to embrace for the naysayers.
 
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reverseosmosis said:
The minority is small and vocal. The majority that agree have no reason to voice anything. The "reams" of voices you don't hear are those speaking the loudest.
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Yeah sure right. Hundreds of thousands of signatures on petitions and bills in the state legislature to roll back the change. The silent majority consists of exactly who? As nearly as I can tell Dave Hart and maybe the BOT. One thing's for sure you're certainly not silent. Yet why is it you only speak whenever you get a chance to jab somebody in the ribs on this board about the name?

It's clear you don't care about women's sports. You only care about the name. Which means you're a sexist.
 
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LVJeff said:
Spoken like a true representative of the State.

You don't recognize your own complicity in the loss of identity. Like I said, you'd fit right in in a Soviet-style commune. Inclusion, conformity, unification. Wow, you're downright anti-American.
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Somebody suggests dropping a name--a name that is antiquated and smacks of the 1950s--and you invoke communism? Funny. Last I check, all the athletes played for the University of Tennessee, so, yes, there is uniformity and conformity in that fact. It makes perfect sense that they'd all be called Vols, period. But southerners are always resistant to change. And the Lady Vol logo is old and outdated too.
 
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One other point - my position is the one that is inclusive, not yours. I never signed any of the petitions because I thought it wasn't my place to tell the athletes what their name should be. I wanted to hear from them. I did. They said they wanted to keep the Lady. Fine with me. So "including" them in the decision making process makes my POV the "inclusive" one. You want to "exclude" them from the decision and let Nike or Dave Hart or the BOT make the decision. Your position is the "exclusive" one.

If you're not familiar with the Shoshone Indian woman named Sacajawea - go do some research. The women's suffragette movement used her as their symbol saying she was the first woman - and an Indian woman at that - to be given the right to vote in America. Lewis and Clark were savvy enough to recognize the value in having her decide in matters that directly affected her, so she had a vote on every matter that came up for consideration.

Had you been in charge, you would have silenced her.
 
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armchair said:
...the Lady Vol logo is old and outdated too.
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That is your opinion. You are welcome to it. The athletes themselves, current and former, have opined otherwise. You too would like to shut them up.

And I'm not a southerner. Learn something first about a body before you attempt to insult him.
 
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LVJeff said:
One other point - my position is the one that is inclusive, not yours. I never signed any of the petitions because I thought it wasn't my place to tell the athletes what their name should be. I wanted to hear from them. I did. They said they wanted to keep the Lady. Fine with me. So "including" them in the decision making process makes my POV the "inclusive" one. You want to "exclude" them from the decision and let Nike or Dave Hart or the BOT make the decision. Your position is the "exclusive" one.

If you're not familiar with the Shoshone Indian woman named Sacajawea - go do some research. The women's suffragette movement used her as their symbol saying she was the first woman - and an Indian woman at that - to be given the right to vote in America. Lewis and Clark were savvy enough to recognize the value in having her decide in matters that directly affected her, so she had a vote on every matter that came up for consideration.

Had you been in charge, you would have silenced her.
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Those remaining stuck in the mindset of exclusivity and sexism should not have a vote. When one is proven to be on the wrong side of history in a matter that is harmful to the lives of a group of people, they cannot be permitted to have a voice in such things. When harm and atrocities are committed against a group, such as calling them a sexist moniker, the brave have to step forward and lead those in ignorance to the light.
 
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You're the one that wants to take their name away. I just wished they had a choice.

Since you want to allocate choice based on gender, that makes you the sexist.
 
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reverseosmosis said:
Those remaining stuck in the mindset of exclusivity and sexism should not have a vote. When one is proven to be on the wrong side of history in a matter that is harmful to the lives of a group of people, they cannot be permitted to have a voice in such things. When harm and atrocities are committed against a group, such as calling them a sexist moniker, the brave have to step forward and lead those in ignorance to the light.
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You don't believe any of that. It's too hilarious for even you to take seriously.
 
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Sandvol said:
She believes in the agenda. No matter how warped it is.
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Sand, I would ask that you and Jeff begin to seek the light. The journey may begin dark and arduous, but just that small twinkle in the distance can reveal giant sources of light and multitudes of life. I've never offered to provide guide services to the light, but you and Jeff have proven so shrouded in all-encompassing darkness that I would explore an option of pointing out the directional forces and focus from the light so that you might one day revel in its enrichment.
 
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Let's cut the baby in half.....Just call em Ladies or Vols.
You guys will be going at it for a month of Sundays.

Let's talk sports.
 
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reverseosmosis said:
Sand, I would ask that you and Jeff begin to seek the light. The journey may begin dark and arduous, but just that small twinkle in the distance can reveal giant sources of light and multitudes of life. I've never offered to provide guide services to the light, but you and Jeff have proven so shrouded in all-encompassing darkness that I would explore an option of pointing out the directional forces and focus from the light so that you might one day revel in its enrichment.
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Hilarious! I'm thinking of starting a special thread just for you where you can post to your hearts content. The rest of us will get our popcorn and cold drinks and sit back and let you entertain us. Every now and then one of us will shout out "Lady Vols" in order to re-energize you so you can post something fresh. What say??
 
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It is fine to be inclusive when appropriate. But most organization/institutional/management/governing decisions are not put before the masses for a vote before a decision is made. The UT board doesn't usually put its decisions up for a vote by students or faculty.Their reps are consulted sometimes, and that's a good thing, but people in positions of authority make decisions--that's the way it works.

Also, women rightly want equal rights--equal respect, equal pay. Look at actresses now complaining because they are paid less than men in Hollywood. Look at the U.S. Women's National Soccer Team getting screwed: they have to play regularly on artificial turf, which is not good for legs or the sport--and yet the Men's NT always plays on the preferred surface of grass. Abby Wambach and others have been complaining about this vociferously. If women want equal status with men on all things--as they should--then why would the UT women's BB team want to retain a term, Lady Vols, that is not only antiquated but serves to separate the women from all the other athletes. There are all the UT athletes--and then there are the LADY Vols. It doesn't synch with the women's equality movement. My sense is that some women's programs that used to call themselves Lady This and Lady That have dropped the term. I was surprised to see that the Georgia women's BB team still refers to themselves as the Lady Bulldogs. Another southern team! Eventually, the term "Lady" will fade. It won't bother me if the program hangs onto to it for a while because of tradition--but things change.
 
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"It doesn't synch with the women's equality movement."

You really don't get it do you? Equality means equality of choice. The women athletes had no choice. Their choice was taken away from them by a man. Thus, there was no equality here. This is real simple, but apparently not for you.
 
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I think the softball team has a chance to be really special this upcoming season. We need some pitching help and we need to replace some power hitting.
 
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armchair said:
It is fine to be inclusive when appropriate. But most organization/institutional/management/governing decisions are not put before the masses for a vote before a decision is made. The UT board doesn't usually put its decisions up for a vote by students or faculty.Their reps are consulted sometimes, and that's a good thing, but people in positions of authority make decisions--that's the way it works.

Also, women rightly want equal rights--equal respect, equal pay. Look at actresses now complaining because they are paid less than men in Hollywood. Look at the U.S. Women's National Soccer Team getting screwed: they have to play regularly on artificial turf, which is not good for legs or the sport--and yet the Men's NT always plays on the preferred surface of grass. Abby Wambach and others have been complaining about this vociferously. If women want equal status with men on all things--as they should--then why would the UT women's BB team want to retain a term, Lady Vols, that is not only antiquated but serves to separate the women from all the other athletes. There are all the UT athletes--and then there are the LADY Vols. It doesn't synch with the women's equality movement. My sense is that some women's programs that used to call themselves Lady This and Lady That have dropped the term. I was surprised to see that the Georgia women's BB team still refers to themselves as the Lady Bulldogs. Another southern team! Eventually, the term "Lady" will fade. It won't bother me if the program hangs onto to it for a while because of tradition--but things change.
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This has nothing, zero, to do with women's equality. It is about appeasing certain political factions and political correctness, nothing else. If they were truly concerned about women's equality then they would have asked the women who this was all about what they wanted. Hart said he did but he lied.
 
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LVJeff said:
Hilarious! I'm thinking of starting a special thread just for you where you can post to your hearts content. The rest of us will get our popcorn and cold drinks and sit back and let you entertain us. Every now and then one of us will shout out "Lady Vols" in order to re-energize you so you can post something fresh. What say??
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There's no such thing as Lady Vols (if you exclude the underground authority wielded by the women's basketball power structure).

Pete and Repeat went in a store, Pete came out, who was left?

In all seriousness, I'm curious how you and Sand feel about the University of Arkansas Monticello calling their men's team Boll Weevils while placing the name of Cotton Blossoms on their women's team. I'm sure we are all on the same page on this one, even with the various levels of provocative anthropology making up this situation.
 
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There's an old saying: "I can explain it to you but I can't make you understand it."

If you don't understand that taking a choice away from someone is not "inclusive" but instead is "exclusive" maybe you'll understand when someone removes one of your choices. That is apparently what it will take for you to understand.
 
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Yet, I wonder how many of that same group of protesting women prefers to make choices for other people and/or organisms?

I believe we've now gone full circle.
 
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They didn't allow the athletes to vote because I would be fine with whatever they chose. It seemed apparent that the majority wanted to keep Lady Vols but didn't get that option.
 
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reverseosmosis said:
Yet, I wonder how many of that same group of protesting women prefers to make choices for other people and/or organisms?

I believe we've now gone full circle.
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You think I'm a protesting woman? My name is Jeff. Let me clue you in, I'm a guy. And no group has an exclusive lock on making decisions for other people, neither men nor women. You're fond of red herrings, that's one for you. But you unintentionally admitted that decisions are being made for these women by you.

I can't help but wonder what other rights of women you want to take away, all in the name of inclusiveness of course.

How about property rights? Does women owning property make you see red? Are you advocating removing a woman's right to own property, all in the name of inclusiveness? Let's see, women shouldn't own property because well by golly otherwise they wouldn't be able to be included in a man's domain. Yeah, that's it.

For all you women that may be reading this, look out, reverse osmosis has your individual rights in his sights. You would be well advised to stand up to him. He's a tyrant.
 
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