Last 5 signing classes data.

#30
#30
VolMicheal said:
Sorry to have to tell you this but your data is flawed:
Bryce Brown, Jantzen Jackson, and Da'Rick Rogers were all 5* recruits.
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OP is talking about where they went to high school. None of those guys went to high school in Tennessee
 
#32
#32
volinexile17 said:
Shocked that GA only has 639. Thought that number would be more like 850.

Do you have VA or NC by any chance?
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only for the years 2002 through 2012.

North Carolina had 520 players sign, 102 four stars and 13 five stars

Virginia had 517 players sign, 107 four stars and 13 five stars

here are the SEC stats for that time period so you can compare accurately.

Texas 2850 players signed, 420 four stars and 45 five stars

Florida 2425 players signed, 522 four stars and 67 five stars

Georgia 1249 players signed, 253 four stars and 22 five stars

Alabama 551 players signed, 110 four stars and 13 five stars

Louisiana 495 players signed, 132 four stars and 18 five stars

Mississippi 414 players signed, 89 four stars and 8 five stars

South Carolina 404 players signed, 102 four stars and 9 five stars

Tennessee 389 players signed, 66 four stars and 8 five stars

Missouri 243 players signed, 45 four stars and 4 five stars

Kentucky 189 players signed, 19 four stars and 0 five stars

Arkansas 177 players signed, 34 four stars and 4 five stars

Please note: These numbers include those schools that have just moved into a BCS conference. These numbers are for current BCS schools.
 
#36
#36
At least we are not Arkansas, Kentucky, or Missouri. I think Tennessee tends to be overlooked a good bit. If the same player who plays in Tennessee was playing in Florida, Georgia, or Tx he would be Regarded higher. Based on this--- until the last few years UT has WAY overachieved!!!
 
#37
#37
I think that I will start drinking heavily.............(as if I really needed a reason....lol!)
 
#38
#38
Good info OP. Some thoughts on recruiting FWIW.

TN has two major programs recruiting top in-state talent. GA also has only two. So it is obvious that is where UT should spend a lot of time. But so is all the rest of the SEC. All the other states are saturated with major and second tier programs.

Now look at the population of each state. TN has at least a million more residents than AL, LA, MS, AR, SC, and KY. We have 400 K more than Missouri. Only Missouri is accomplishing less with more population than UT and Tennessee. Which points to the "three states of Tennessee" being a major factor in recruiting. Recruits from the Atlanta area know more about UT than kids from Memphis and as much as many from Nashville. Yet the largest number of top rated in-state recruits come from Memphis and Nashville. MS benefits from their juco system. With a juco system the HS's in the state are able to feed the state schools as needed.

So UT has to pick up the best players in east TN. They need to win more than they lose in central TN. They need to win a few in west TN. They need to get an equal share with Auburn, Bama, Clemson, SC, etc. in GA. They need to pick up some in FL (especially north FL where they are known better), the Carolina's and VA. I contend they need to win a few top players that want to play against the best of the SEC from OH, MI, and IN. That area used to provide some quality players for UT over the years, but has been neglected to some extent until the Jones hire, other than briefly when Baggett was here. They can then fill in the gaps from the outlier states.

Unless they like wasting recruiting time and dollars they should spend very little time in TX and other states other than CA. UT has a good name and draw on the left coast for kids that like the SEC.
 
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#39
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Vols4us said:
Good info OP. Some thoughts on recruiting FWIW.

TN has two major programs recruiting top in-state talent. GA also has only two. So it is obvious that is where UT should spend a lot of time. But so is all the rest of the SEC. All the other states are saturated with major and second tier programs.

Now look at the population of each state. TN has at least a million more residents than AL, LA, MS, AR, SC, and KY. We have 400 K more than Missouri. Only Missouri is accomplishing less with more population than UT and Tennessee. Which points to the "three states of Tennessee" being a major factor in recruiting. Recruits from the Atlanta area know more about UT than kids from Memphis and as much as many from Nashville. Yet the largest number of top rated in-state recruits come from Memphis and Nashville. MS benefits from their juco system. With a juco system the HS's in the state are able to feed the state schools as needed.

So UT has to pick up the best players in east TN. They need to win more than they lose in central TN. They need to win a few in west TN. They need to get an equal share with Auburn, Bama, Clemson, SC, etc. in GA. They need to pick up some in FL (especially north FL where they are known better), the Carolina's and VA. I contend they need to win a few top players that want to play against the best of the SEC from OH, MI, and IN. That area used to provide some quality players for UT over the years, but has been neglected to some extent until the Jones hire, other than briefly when Baggett was here. They can then fill in the gaps from the outlier states.

Unless they like wasting recruiting time and dollars they should spend very little time in TX and other states other than CA. UT has a good name and draw on the left coast for kids that like the SEC.
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Good summary! About 20 years ago, UT used to win about 75% from middle Tennessee. That number has been cut in half. I hope Butch can get the Vol name back into middle Tennessee.
 
#45
#45
LWSVOL said:
this should not be something new. this has been fairly normal breakdowns for 40 years or so..
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I was just messin'. I appreciate what you do and bring to us. :good!:

Plus, you have that you live in Mt. Juliet, which is bonus points, IMO. Go Bears!
 
#46
#46
I don't know if anyone else heard it, but Tubberville was talking about recruiting on the Cicny bowl game last night and said that most of your players should come from a radius of an hour to and hour and a half. It stuck me because it is almost impossible to do that at UT. It just seemed to highlight the disadvantage of local talent UT has.
 
#47
#47
VolFromNashville said:
I don't know if anyone else heard it, but Tubberville was talking about recruiting on the Cicny bowl game last night and said that most of your players should come from a radius of an hour to and hour and a half. It stuck me because it is almost impossible to do that at UT. It just seemed to highlight the disadvantage of local talent UT has.
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I think he said a 100 mile radius, which within the Cincinnati area is a lot of players. Tennessee doesn't have that option.
 
#48
#48
Vols4us said:
Good info OP. Some thoughts on recruiting FWIW.

TN has two major programs recruiting top in-state talent. GA also has only two. So it is obvious that is where UT should spend a lot of time. But so is all the rest of the SEC. All the other states are saturated with major and second tier programs.

Now look at the population of each state. TN has at least a million more residents than AL, LA, MS, AR, SC, and KY. We have 400 K more than Missouri. Only Missouri is accomplishing less with more population than UT and Tennessee. Which points to the "three states of Tennessee" being a major factor in recruiting. Recruits from the Atlanta area know more about UT than kids from Memphis and as much as many from Nashville. Yet the largest number of top rated in-state recruits come from Memphis and Nashville. MS benefits from their juco system. With a juco system the HS's in the state are able to feed the state schools as needed.

So UT has to pick up the best players in east TN. They need to win more than they lose in central TN. They need to win a few in west TN. They need to get an equal share with Auburn, Bama, Clemson, SC, etc. in GA. They need to pick up some in FL (especially north FL where they are known better), the Carolina's and VA. I contend they need to win a few top players that want to play against the best of the SEC from OH, MI, and IN. That area used to provide some quality players for UT over the years, but has been neglected to some extent until the Jones hire, other than briefly when Baggett was here. They can then fill in the gaps from the outlier states.

Unless they like wasting recruiting time and dollars they should spend very little time in TX and other states other than CA. UT has a good name and draw on the left coast for kids that like the SEC.
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Tennessee is 18th or 19th in numbers of black residents... and most of them reside in the western part of the state. Worse yet, the quality of football in the western part of the state lags behind. While people condemned both Dooley and Fulmer for "abandoning" instate talent... it is an economic equation. You have limited resources (both real and NCAA limitations) and have to get the best bang for your buck.

I would not say that I was writing off Memphis.... but I would treat west of Jackson as "out of state" recruiting.

OTOH, Georgia, NC, SC, and FL (by cheap air fare according to Dooley) have high concentrations of great recruits much closer. Florida has the 2nd highest number of black residents. GA is 4th. NC is 6th. SC is 14th but 5th by % with the best players coming from the Upstate.

The formula has not changed since Fulmer was winning in the 1990's. UT has to win around ATL and in NC. SC used to be big for UT but is more difficult now with both USCe and Clemson relevant. After that... they have to get some players from FL and even Ohio.

UT has to become "America's Team" more than any of the traditional SEC powers.
 
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VolStrom said:
I think he said a 100 mile radius, which within the Cincinnati area is a lot of players. Tennessee doesn't have that option.
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TN has to go about 250 plus all those cheap flights from central & north FL. That gives them Tampa to Cocoa and north plus ATL, Nashville, CLT, Winston/Greensboro, Cincy, and parts of VA.
 
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