Last tune-up before SEC play. What do you want to see?

[madtownvol]

Stop settling for 3s and drive to the basket.

Given that taking lots of 3s is the central theme of CKC's offense, I seriously doubt you will see this team "stop settling for 3s" since those are the shots they want.

Having said that, they are not unwilling to drive. Jewell has been taking it to the rim more, Cooper and Whitehouse drive to the basket a lot. The offense is fairly well-balanced, given that the 3 ball is King in this system.

 

[Rooster1]

Since they are close to the very bottom of the NCAA in only one category, opp shooting%, it would be nice to see some progress there.

 

[VolBall09]

Stop settling for 3s and drive to the basket.

Nah let it fly. Just less bad ones early

 

[Rooster1]

Nah let it fly. Just less bad ones early

This team plays better when everyone feels free to let it fly imo.

 

[madtownvol]

This team plays better when everyone feels free to let it fly imo.

100%!! The old school thinking still has it fans though. Taking a wide open 3 early in the shot clock, TERRIBLE!!! Dribbling around, passing aimlessly on the perimeter, and then taking a desperation shot as the shot clock expires, GREAT HALF COURT EXECUTION!

We have already been there, and like you say, let em fly freely

 

[Volfan2012]

Going into game twelve the team has averaged 81 shots per game to opponents 61. Just keep forcing more turnovers than the opponents and get more offensive rebounds and if you shoot well enough you will win no matter who you play. Certainly clear that if you get 81 shots and the opponent only gets 61 they have to shoot a lot better than you do to beat you. Quite clear that 35 of 80 is 44 percent. Team only getting 60 has to make 58 percent to get the same amount of field goals. We've won some of these games shooting in the high 30's from the field.
The question of whether it will work in the SEC is will the team be able to keep causing a shot differential and when they do shoot well enough to win. The subbing is all about elevating effort for the entire game. We seem to have 10 players where there is not a lot of drop off in talent regardless of which five are in there. So come the New Year the real season starts really looking forward to it. I think were ready.

 

[Volfan2012]

100%!! The old school thinking still has it fans though. Taking a wide open 3 early in the shot clock, TERRIBLE!!! Dribbling around, passing aimlessly on the perimeter, and then taking a desperation shot as the shot clock expires, GREAT HALF COURT EXECUTION!

We have already been there, and like you say, let em fly freely

A good shot is a good shot no matter if it is 7 seconds into the shot clock or 25 seconds in. The question is make sure it is a good shot. In a lot of the games Coach Kim says we've taken bad shots and I agree. The last three of four games the shot selection has gotten a lot better.

 

[madtownvol]

Going into game twelve the team has averaged 81 shots per game to opponents 61. Just keep forcing more turnovers than the opponents and get more offensive rebounds and if you shoot well enough you will win no matter who you play. Certainly clear that if you get 81 shots and the opponent only gets 61 they have to shoot a lot better than you do to beat you. Quite clear that 35 of 80 is 44 percent. Team only getting 60 has to make 58 percent to get the same amount of field goals. We've won some of these games shooting in the high 30's from the field.
The question of whether it will work in the SEC is will the team be able to keep causing a shot differential and when they do shoot well enough to win. The subbing is all about elevating effort for the entire game. We seem to have 10 players where there is not a lot of drop off in talent regardless of which five are in there. So come the New Year the real season starts really looking forward to it. I think were ready.

As I see it now, the Achilles heel of CKC's system is depth. A few injuries and her ability to keep a fresh five on the floor every 2 minutes gets compromised fast.

Right now she has a clear preferred 10 with Strickland, Ayodele, Wells, and E. Darby being on the rotation fringes.

 

[volsagain]

Since they are close to the very bottom of the NCAA in only one category, opp shooting%, it would be nice to see some progress there.

Trying to get turnovers and giving up bunnies will cause the shooting percentage to be a little higher. That's the characteristics of the full court press . That reduces there number of more difficult shots and number of shots. If we can cut down on fouls may help that stat a little.

 

[glv98]

100%!! The old school thinking still has it fans though. Taking a wide open 3 early in the shot clock, TERRIBLE!!! Dribbling around, passing aimlessly on the perimeter, and then taking a desperation shot as the shot clock expires, GREAT HALF COURT EXECUTION!

We have already been there, and like you say, let em fly freely

Call me old school but free form 3 chucking ain't it for me. Interesting that just as it's becoming a fad in WBB it's becoming the villan in the NBA and called out as the cause of rapidly falling TV ratings

Fortunately, I don't see CKC as an indiscriminate 3 chunker coach at all. Way too hard nosed and disciplined for that. She's talked about better shot selection after every game and specifically called out quick 3 shooting and said she wished they'd get to the rim more.

I think there's a middle ground btw "old school" offense and analytically driven 3 bombing. Yes they want to get up more shots and have more possesions to increase odds, but many coaches also want to improve efficiency via more careful shot selection. Lynne Roberts, the new LA Sparks coach, is a fanatic on that, carefully assigning players "good" and "bad" shots. Emphasizes 3 counts more than 2 but also realizes 2 counts more than none.

 

[lvocd]

The team is still progressing and far from completing their evolution/revolution, but the growth has been steady, which is encouraging. My hope is that by SEC Tournament time the team will have smoothed out all the rough spots and can pretty much drive that system on automatic.

Still preaching patience down here!

 

[Volfan1000]

The Winthrop game is December the 29th. The Christmas season is a good excuse to restate our fears or criticisms as positives to be achieved, or to bequeath our fantasy gifts to this team.

"I'd like to see us show [more... better... improvement in...]"

So that's the gimmick of this thread, as we anticipate the brutal SEC schedule, to restate fears or criticisms as positives to be achieved. Might even be good practice for our personal new year's resolutions.

The Winthrop game should be a roster type game in which everyone plays.

 

[madtownvol]

Call me old school but free form 3 chucking ain't it for me. Interesting that just as it's becoming a fad in WBB it's becoming the villan in the NBA and called out as the cause of rapidly falling TV ratings

Fortunately, I don't see CKC as an indiscriminate 3 chunker coach at all. Way too hard nosed and disciplined for that. She's talked about better shot selection after every game and specifically called out quick 3 shooting and said she wished they'd get to the rim more.

I think there's a middle ground btw "old school" offense and analytically driven 3 bombing. Yes they want to get up more shots and have more possesions to increase odds, but many coaches also want to improve efficiency via more careful shot selection. Lynne Roberts, the new LA Sparks coach, is a fanatic on that, carefully assigning players "good" and "bad" shots. Emphasizes 3 counts more than 2 but also realizes 2 counts more than none.

I would rather Ruby, tess, or Jewel taking an open 3 early in the shot clock than dribbling around and then forcing the ball into the paint, where we turn it over (see last season, most any game).

The shot selection comes down to who is taking the 3s. Right now, the odds are not great when Jillian or Kaniya, or Alyssa take them, I am not sure I want to see Zee S. taking many either.

I am not convinced 3 point shooting is the reason for the NBA down turn. In the heyday of the Golden State "Splash brothers" Warriors (not that long ago really), NBA was setting records.

And that X clip is very misleading (shocking I know). You could clipped a serious of plays where Tatum or Brown drive to the hoop for dunk or layoff to the post.

[These same people are probably also complaining about Angel Reese living in the paint and not being a legit 3 pt threat]

The new NBA media contract and their shift from TNT to Amazon may be a hint. Cable is dying and the NBA media platform has been tied to cable.

Globally, the NBAs popularity is exploding.

Best social media commen I have seen on this topic: "The league's popularity is fading because of [my personal grievance]"

 

[BruisedOrange]

Call me old school but free form 3 chucking ain't it for me. Interesting that just as it's becoming a fad in WBB it's becoming the villan in the NBA and called out as the cause of rapidly falling TV ratings

Fortunately, I don't see CKC as an indiscriminate 3 chunker coach at all. Way too hard nosed and disciplined for that. She's talked about better shot selection after every game and specifically called out quick 3 shooting and said she wished they'd get to the rim more.

I think there's a middle ground btw "old school" offense and analytically driven 3 bombing. Yes they want to get up more shots and have more possesions to increase odds, but many coaches also want to improve efficiency via more careful shot selection. Lynne Roberts, the new LA Sparks coach, is a fanatic on that, carefully assigning players "good" and "bad" shots. Emphasizes 3 counts more than 2 but also realizes 2 counts more than none.

 

[VOLLeeann]

Fortunately, I don't see CKC as an indiscriminate 3 chunker coach at all. Way too hard nosed and disciplined for that. She's talked about better shot selection after every game and specifically called out quick 3 shooting and said she wished they'd get to the rim more.

Kimmy knows that there is a low FG %, low chance of being fouled, in the no-womans zone inside the 3 pt line and outside of the paint.

 

[Dak1219]

A good shot is a good shot no matter if it is 7 seconds into the shot clock or 25 seconds in. The question is make sure it is a good shot. In a lot of the games Coach Kim says we've taken bad shots and I agree. The last three of four games the shot selection has gotten a lot better.

That was always Geno Auriemmas mantra, "take the first good shot available and you avoid turnovers." It's not always guaranteed that a second or third good shot will happen in every possession by passing and dribbling the ball around the perimeter and waiting 15-20 seconds into the shot clock. If you have a good shot take it. At 5 seconds or 20 seconds a good open shot that a player practices and can make is a good shot.

 

[zaqhhh]

Well NCCU who we beat by a mile just beat them so hitting 110 again would be nice

 

[Dak1219]

As I see it now, the Achilles heel of CKC's system is depth. A few injuries and her ability to keep a fresh five on the floor every 2 minutes gets compromised fast.

Right now she has a clear preferred 10 with Strickland, Ayodele, Wells, and E. Darby being on the rotation fringes.

Wells and Darby lead the team in 3 point percentage. Actually, Wells' shot and shooting form seems to be returning. Just don't think she has the conditioning to play at this speed yet. Wells shot the 3 incredibly well at Belmont (always the green light to shoot))and lost her freedom to shoot it the same way before her injury last year. She could add even more depth in the guard rotation if she could get back into shape. Remember what she almost did to Tennessee 2 years ago? She is a very capable player.

 

[glv98]

Wells and Darby lead the team in 3 point percentage

Tess has had a very good preseason. But historically, she's thrived against the kind of weak competition we've played so far and not so much against better teams. Here's hoping it carries over this time. Anything we get fm DW will be a bonus, esp for her.

I'm just glad CKC emphasizes shot selection over shot speed or setting distance records. I want the LVs to be capable in whatever situation the better defenses of the teams we're about to play forces them into.

 

[glv98]

Best social media commen I have seen on this topic: "The league's popularity is fading because of [my personal grievance]"

Lebron James' personal grievance as stated just the other day is the 3 pt shot explosion and the resulting lazy to non existent defense it's caused.

Viewership is down 48% in the last decade. The league is concerned to the point that they're actively considering moving the 3 pt line back.

IMO superstars' "load management" is a big problem too. Old head players stay around too long and play too little.

 

[NoBackBoard]

Given that taking lots of 3s is the central theme of CKC's offense, I seriously doubt you will see this team "stop settling for 3s" since those are the shots they want.

Having said that, they are not unwilling to drive. Jewell has been taking it to the rim more, Cooper and Whitehouse drive to the basket a lot. The offense is fairly well-balanced, given that the 3 ball is King in this system.

There is a difference in an offense that generates lots of open 3s and settling for 3s. It means players who aren’t good 3 point shooters take them, or players take them in bad position, when they could work the ball more. Settling is fine against bad teams but it does come back to haunt you against talented teams. The coach has referenced it as well.

 

[glv98]

There is a difference in an offense that generates lots of open 3s and settling for 3s. It means players who aren’t good 3 point shooters take them, or players take them in bad position, when they could work the ball more. Settling is fine against bad teams but it does come back to haunt you against talented teams. The coach has referenced it as well.

Yeah, I don't get "let it fly" from CKC at all. Actually that would be more in tune w the goal of winning through volume rather than efficiency. Throw enough spaghetti at the wall and enough will stick to make a meal. But she just seems to like control too much for that, lol.

Watched UT men last night and naturally, w a coach like RIck, they have this balance down perfectly. Chaz Lanier is a constant green light as he should be. Gainey has an almost green light. Everyone else is on yellow. Shot selection is important.

 

[glv98]

Back on topic, what I want fm this game is for it to be over quickly with no one injured on either team. Than for the LVs to take a complete break fm basketball, go home, enjoy your family, and celebrate what you've done so far. You deserve it.

Anyone else think it's dicey for CKC to make that TAM trip a couple of weeks before her due date? Hardest travel in the league, have to fly into somewhere else and bus to College Station. Weather has stranded the team the last two times they've been there. If that was my wife and future child, I'd be really concerned! Fortunately TAM is godawful and we can probably spare Kim.

 

[Dak1219]

Tess has had a very good preseason. But historically, she's thrived against the kind of weak competition we've played so far and not so much against better teams. Here's hoping it carries over this time. Anything we get fm DW will be a bonus, esp for her.

I'm just glad CKC emphasizes shot selection over shot speed or setting distance records. I want the LVs to be capable in whatever situation the better defenses of the teams we're about to play forces them into.

I was talking about Edie Darby when it comes to 3's. Destinee and Edie have probably the best 3 point percentages right now, but they hardly play.

In regard to players in the regular rotation, I'm pretty sure Samara is leading the way in 3 point shooting percentage. In regard to Tess, she has been shooting the 3 really well and was clutch and did so against FSU and Iowa. She seems so much more free this season. Everyone talked about her shooting long distance 3's coming out of high school and like so many others, she seemed to lose that ability when she entered the college ranks. Kim's offense allows her to shoot it freely and without hesitation and that has made a huge difference in her performances this year up to this point.

 

[Lucy]

Kimmy knows that there is a low FG %, low chance of being fouled, in the no-womans zone inside the 3 pt line and outside of the paint.

Not sure she is a “Kimmy”. Little disrespect?