Last tune-up before SEC play. What do you want to see?

[Coach Jumper]

Call me old school but free form 3 chucking ain't it for me. Interesting that just as it's becoming a fad in WBB it's becoming the villan in the NBA and called out as the cause of rapidly falling TV ratings

Fortunately, I don't see CKC as an indiscriminate 3 chunker coach at all. Way too hard nosed and disciplined for that. She's talked about better shot selection after every game and specifically called out quick 3 shooting and said she wished they'd get to the rim more.

I think there's a middle ground btw "old school" offense and analytically driven 3 bombing. Yes they want to get up more shots and have more possesions to increase odds, but many coaches also want to improve efficiency via more careful shot selection. Lynne Roberts, the new LA Sparks coach, is a fanatic on that, carefully assigning players "good" and "bad" shots. Emphasizes 3 counts more than 2 but also realizes 2 counts more than none.

there's one thing in running a full throttle def/off and jacking up 3's as a part of the process...fully another to play gym-rat BB,,,as you point out that is what the NBA has become

 

[Coach Jumper]

Kimmy knows that there is a low FG %, low chance of being fouled, in the no-womans zone inside the 3 pt line and outside of the paint.

would you want to be called ... VOLLeeanny

 

[Volfan2012]

Our three point shoot I am ready for Spencer, Darby, Cooper and Spear to put up a three anytime they are open. Whitehorn and Puckett have been effective at times not enough Puckett still 23 percent. Spearman, Hollingshead, Latham should stick to inside play. I think the three of them are somewhere around 24 percent as a group. Boyd has not proven to be a three point shooter. Those are the ten that are going to play almost all the SEC minutes.
If we stick to that main four shooters from out there were going to have a good three point percentage almost everygame. The four of them have went for 37 percent.

 

[VOLLeeann]

would you want to be called ... VOLLeeanny

Fine with me. How about CoachJumpUpMyAss?

 

[madtownvol]

There is a difference in an offense that generates lots of open 3s and settling for 3s. It means players who aren’t good 3 point shooters take them, or players take them in bad position, when they could work the ball more. Settling is fine against bad teams but it does come back to haunt you against talented teams. The coach has referenced it as well.

I understand the coach speak side of things but, in reality, a “good three” is the one you make and a “bad” three is the one you miss. For example, in the last game, Jewell hit back to back threes and then air balled one on her third. Was that a “bad” shot or just a miss?

There remains a weird morality tale around three point shooting. If a post player misses a eight foot jump shot in the lane no one goes, “oh that was a bad shot”. No, it was the player should have made the “good look” but if a player misses a wide open three, that is a “bad” (sinful, immoral, lazy shot) and the team should have "worked harder" for a better (morally upstanding) shot. As a numbers game, 33% 3-pt. shooting = 50% from inside the arc. If we are analytic about it, mid-range shots are the “bad” shots and that is why people lament the lost art of the “mid-range jumper."

Of course, you want your better shooters taking the threes. For this team, that would be Jewell, Spencer and Tess rather than Jillian, or Boyd, or Latham. On the flipside, CKC has said that she wants every player on the court to be a 3-pt threat. So, Coop is better driving the lane but she has to take some open 3s to keep defenses honest. Which of Coop's threes are good or bad- if she makes em they're "good"; if she misses, she should have "worked harder" and "not settled."

Right now, there is a gap between what CKC wants and what she has in terms of a full complement of 10 legitimate 3 point shooters.

 

[madtownvol]

Fine with me. How about CoachJumpUpMyAss?

That's the holiday spirit!!! Happy belligerence, to you

 

[VOLLeeann]

That's the holiday spirit!!! Happy belligerence, to you

I wasn't aware Jumper needed a guide dog.

 

[madtownvol]

I wasn't aware Jumper needed a guide dog.

He doesn’t but some folks need a muzzle.

 

[alexvol]

Given that taking lots of 3s is the central theme of CKC's offense, I seriously doubt you will see this team "stop settling for 3s" since those are the shots they want.

Having said that, they are not unwilling to drive. Jewell has been taking it to the rim more, Cooper and Whitehouse drive to the basket a lot. The offense is fairly well-balanced, given that the 3 ball is King in this system.

I am anxious to see how the line changes ( like in hockey ) that Coach makes every 2 minutes or so where 5 new players are substituted for will translate to SEC play,ie will Coach modify or not ? Will she pare down the subs to what she considers more trustworthy or will she keep it the same ....

 

[lvocd]

Anyone else think it's dicey for CKC to make that TAM trip a couple of weeks before her due date? Hardest travel in the league, have to fly into somewhere else and bus to College Station. Weather has stranded the team the last two times they've been there. If that was my wife and future child, I'd be really concerned! Fortunately TAM is godawful and we can probably spare Kim.

Yikes. I hadn’t even thought of that, although I imagine plenty of others in the LV front office have filled Kim in on all that.

I also selfishly want the boy to be born in Tennessee, so I’m on Team KIm, Keep Your Butt At Home In Tennessee When The Time Is Near.

 

[madtownvol]

I am anxious to see how the line changes ( like in hockey ) that Coach makes every 2 minutes or so where 5 new players are substituted for will translate to SEC play,ie will Coach modify or not ? Will she pare down the subs to what she considers more trustworthy or will she keep it the same ....

It will be interesting to see though the Iowa and FSU games maybe gave us a hint of what is to come. She relied on 10 players with Coop, Spencer, Whitehorn, Spearman and Tess playing around 25 minutes.

It seems like she starts the game with the hockey subs and then gets more selective as the game goes on.

 

[alexvol]

It will be interesting to see though the Iowa and FSU games maybe gave us a hint of what is to come. She relied on 10 players with Coop, Spencer, Whitehorn, Spearman and Tess playing around 25 minutes.

It seems like she starts the game with the hockey subs and then gets more selective as the game goes on.

That would be the way to go imo.

 

[lvocd]

What was Kim's sub pattern for Marshall's fnal game last season? I know they got smacked by Va. Tech. I figure that game would have been one that if she were ever going to extend the time between subs, it would have probably been for that game. If she stuck with the 2-minute thing in that game, then that probably tells us what she'll do this year. Unless, of course, that beatdown made her think if she ever had a shot at a tourney game again she'd sub less often.

 

[Dak1219]

there's one thing in running a full throttle def/off and jacking up 3's as a part of the process...fully another to play gym-rat BB,,,as you point out that is what the NBA has become

They don't shoot the ball as well as the Lady Vols did against North Carolina Central either.

 

[Rickster]

Sara Puckett was just named MVP of the West Palm Beach Classic where the Lady Vols went 2-0 winning in blowout victories of 25-pts over Richmond and 41-pts over Tulsa.
This team at 11-0 is on a roll and arguably Top 3 in the SEC with victories over Florida St., Iowa, Middle Tenn, and Richmond who fared better against SEC teams Alabama and Texas than the highest scoring team in WBB the Lady Vols.

S/O to the players and coaches. Keep working.

Sara needed that kind of a contribution. We needed her to do it. She's been hustling and giving effort but it's been a while since that type of performance. She knows what she can do so with her.....I think it's been mental. It would be nice to see Sara reemerge in this offense going into conference play.

 

[Coach Jumper]

He doesn’t but some folks need a muzzle.

Appreciate it

 

[BruisedOrange]

[...] in the last game, Jewell hit back to back threes and then air balled one on her third. Was that a “bad” shot or just a miss?

This is something I've noticed about the college women's game for a long time. It's not at all unusual to see good shooters have a total miss in the midst of a good shooting night.

I've wondered if it's the smaller ball, or the (typically) lower shot release point than the men have.

I'd love to see stats (if there were such) comparing air balls between the men and women, but also between women before and after going to the smaller ball size. With smaller diameter comes less room for error (though you'd expect that to yield more errors in the left-right axis.

As for the lower shot release, most female shooters of that style are using more leg lift as part of their overall shot motion, compared with a high release that is almost all elbow-and-wrist. It could just be that their shot has more moving parts (feet, knees, shoulder, elbow, wrist) thus increasing the likelihood of one moving part being a bit out of synch with the other four, leading to more miss-fires.

 

[lvocd]

This is something I've noticed about the college women's game for a long time. It's not at all unusual to see good shooters have a total miss in the midst of a good shooting night.

I've wondered if it's the smaller ball, or the (typically) lower shot release point than the men have.

I'd love to see stats (if there were such) comparing air balls between the men and women, but also between women before and after going to the smaller ball size. With smaller diameter comes less room for error (though you'd expect that to yield more errors in the left-right axis.

As for the lower shot release, most female shooters of that style are using more leg lift as part of their overall shot motion, compared with a high release that is almost all elbow-and-wrist. It could just be that their shot has more moving parts (feet, knees, shoulder, elbow, wrist) thus increasing the likelihood of one moving part being a bit out of synch with the other four, leading to more miss-fires.

I've always been more impressed by outstanding female three-point shooters than males just because of the added size and strength males typically have overall. Yes, the women's ball is smaller, but not THAT much smaller (IMO). I'm guessing, too, that the strongest Lady Vol basketball player would lose an arm-wrestling match to the weakest Vol basketball player.

I dunno. It just seems more impressive to me when 5'7, 115-pound Edie Darby drains a deep three than when 6'11, 284-pound Nikola Jokic drains one.

 

[JustFunnN'Orange]

Yikes. I hadn’t even thought of that, although I imagine plenty of others in the LV front office have filled Kim in on all that.

I also selfishly want the boy to be born in Tennessee, so I’m on Team KIm, Keep Your Butt At Home In Tennessee When The Time Is Near.

I remember reading somewhere in this Forum......Pat was going into labor on a flight back to TN and was advised to land (in Va, I think) for care but She insisted that Tyler was gonna' be born in TN.
Would that be an "Omen" if history repeats itself??!!