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Wireless1 said:
If prior infection hasn’t built up immunity, then how does a vaccine work? I thought a vaccine was typically just a mild version so your body built a game plan to beat the virus
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That's how it works, although we currently don't know how long "immunity" or vaccine protection will work for this virus.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
That place is just as bad as Michigan
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I give Hawaii a little bit of benefit of the doubt. Being an isolated island presents some unique challenges if they were to have a large scale outbreak. They are also hosting massive amounts of tourists from East and West to a small area. I'm not sure I agree with all they are doing, but it makes more sense for them than some others.
 
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SmokyRiverDog said:
I give Hawaii a little bit of benefit of the doubt. Being an isolated island presents some unique challenges if they were to have a large scale outbreak. They are also hosting massive amounts of tourists from East and West to a small area. I'm not sure I agree with all they are doing, but it makes more sense for them than some others.
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They should shut down travel all together and not leave the temptation
 
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Velo Vol said:
90,000 deaths later, how much immunity do we have here?
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First questionable data coming from China and our own “ Covid death rate “ . Now compare the rate of infection / infected to inflated numbers . See the problem yet ? Nobody believes the stats or models . China did a complete lockdown to the point of locking families in their homes , we have not .. the problem is that we have zero ways to compare true data because for some reason nobody wants the real numbers . What I do know just from basic knowledge is that you can’t hide from a virus and then come back out from hiding and expect your body to have any type of resistance to the virus you are hiding from . That’s as basic as it gets .. remember bubble boy with John Travolta ? Yeah that’s how you end up when you try to hide .
 
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SmokyRiverDog said:
I give Hawaii a little bit of benefit of the doubt. Being an isolated island presents some unique challenges if they were to have a large scale outbreak. They are also hosting massive amounts of tourists from East and West to a small area. I'm not sure I agree with all they are doing, but it makes more sense for them than some others.
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I feel the same way about island . I still think it’s overblown but at least on an island I understand it more .
 
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0nelilreb said:
First questionable data coming from China and our own “ Covid death rate “ . Now compare the rate of infection / infected to inflated numbers . See the problem yet ? Nobody believes the stats or models . China did a complete lockdown to the point of locking families in their homes , we have not .. the problem is that we have zero ways to compare true data because for some reason nobody wants the real numbers . What I do know just from basic knowledge is that you can’t hide from a virus and then come back out from hiding and expect your body to have any type of resistance to the virus you are hiding from . That’s as basic as it gets .. remember bubble boy with John Travolta ? Yeah that’s how you end up when you try to hide .
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On the narrow issue of immunity (who's had the disease), outside of the hot spots, studies have showed it's still in the single digits in the US.

While I agree we can't "hide" from it, this must be tempered with the realization that there's a long slog ahead.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
People across the country have been wondering about how accurate the death toll actually is because of the way states are counting deaths. The virus death toll may be lower than currently believed across the nation.

One State Amends Coronavirus Death Count and the Numbers Are Significantly Lower
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I urge you to be careful reading too much into this, yet. The reporting on this is wrong. The lower number is not just a result of reporting deaths only with COVID on the death certificate. This lower 878 deaths number is reported to be consistent with the provisional death count captured by the NHSC/CDC. So, it suffers the same lag as that report (it contains only deaths received/processed by CDC and only for deaths through 5/9 - but not all deaths by 5/9 because reporting delays are sometimes weeks).

I was shocked when I first saw these reports and saw the numbers. I struggled to understand how 23% of the originally reported deaths were just deaths that were CV+ but not caused by COVID. I remain humbled by this virus so I thought I must have just been wrong in my earlier analysis where so thought the impact of including these in initial numbers would be lower.

So, I performed excess death analysis for Colorado, and it lined up well with the initial numbers reported by CO - which didn’t make sense is over 20% of the deaths weren’t COVID deaths.

Then I saw the note on the CO public health department’s website - these numbers are lagged. So this CO has revised down deaths storyline is no different than the ‘CDC has revised down official deaths’ storyline that circulated around 2 weeks ago when people discovered the provisional death report. That wasn’t a downward revision and this isn’t either.

I am very interested to see ultimately how many of these CV+ deaths weren’t actually from COVID - but these numbers from CO don’t represent that at this point.
 
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Velo Vol said:
On the narrow issue of immunity (who's had the disease), outside of the hot spots, studies have showed it's still in the single digits in the US.

While I agree we can't "hide" from it, this must be tempered with the realization that there's a long slog ahead.
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I believe we are at the point of over tempering for the healthy and the health of the economy of this country. There’s a line somewhere that we can cross with the economy . Everything is balanced so we can only apply our thumb to the scale on one side or the other for so long before we wreck the machine .
 
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