Latest Coronavirus - Yikes

[volfanhill]

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Lots of doctors and nurses on here saying this is too much

 

[Dumbledorange]

 

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[volfanhill]

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Neil Ferguson's Imperial model could be the most devastating software mistake of all time

 

[TrumpedUpVol]

No, you die and that was the point.

I don't know how things work on your commune, and perhaps things are a little different when you're all living out in the open a quarter of a mile from the freeway, but the vast majority of people somehow manage to survive "tornado warnings" despite not confining themselves to a basement shelter.

 

[hUTch2002]

Says right wing loons that are unwilling to acknowledge the facts.

I’m absolutely unwilling to acknowledge your “facts”.

 

[allvol123]

All the networks have their faults, but Fox News has far more unqualified guests spewing their opinions. FoxNews is the main agent for the dumbing down of America phenomena.

We all appreciate this deep analysis.

 

[Dumbledorange]

 

[volfanhill]

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Yes we all agree. If you want to stay under your bed please do so.

 

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[allvol123]

An analysis of excess deaths over averages for this time of year punts that idea out fairly quickly.

Really? Why wouldnt you have excess deaths? You've introduced a new illness into the mix. So if it kills some, of course you're going to have excess deaths over a time when this illness never existed. Right? Doesnt mean some flu, stroke, etc. arent being calculated incorrectly, right? Love to see deaths for certain conditions compared to these time periods for years past.

 

[TennTradition]

I serve in the tech booth at my church running media. In between services (just livestream for now but we do two live services) I was chatting up front with some of the guys. One asked me about what I was seeing in the data and I started talking about this Colorado reporting issue, death certificates, etc. The other guy standing there said yeah I think it was on my dad’s death certificate. I looked at him like “what?” He said “Yeah my dad lived in CO. Died last week from COVID. Good health but caught it and was dead seven days later”

Well, if that ain’t a perspective-setter.

Feel thankful it hasn’t hit closer to home for me but hate it for those that it has.

 

[TennTradition]

Really? Why wouldnt you have excess deaths? You've introduced a new illness into the mix. So if it kills some, of course you're going to have excess deaths over a time when this illness never existed. Right? Doesnt mean some flu, stroke, etc. arent being calculated incorrectly, right? Love to see deaths for certain conditions compared to these time periods for years past.

He said ‘people stopped dying from’ - not undercounted or that those deaths slowed down.

But, my point is that the excess deaths and the reported COVID deaths have tracked well. And if you look at NY there were a significant number more deaths in April over normal than could be accounted for with COVID death numbers. So either COVID undercount or deaths from other causes are up - either would seem to fly in the face of the argument he was making.

I’ve seen one guy think that in recent weeks the COVID deaths have stopped tracking as well with excess deaths and that it could signal over-reporting. But from my analysis, I’m not seeing that...yet. I’ll continue watching.

 

[Ten_Titans]

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My thoughts exactly. Too bad Darwin isn't one of our policy makers in this country full of cowards.

 

[allvol123]

He said ‘people stopped dying from’ - not undercounted or that those deaths slowed down.

But, my point is that the excess deaths and the reported COVID deaths have tracked well. And if you look at NY there were a significant number more deaths in April over normal than could be accounted for with COVID death numbers. So either COVID undercount or deaths from other causes are up - either would seem to fly in the face of the argument he was making.

I’ve seen one guy think that in recent weeks the COVID deaths have stopped tracking as well with excess deaths and that it could signal over-reporting. But from my analysis, I’m not seeing that...yet. I’ll continue watching.

Ok. Also, I think in 1-2 years it will be interesting to see how much death was just pulled forward 3-6 months. If you're pulling deaths forward by 5-10 years then that is a significant problem. If you're pulling deaths forward 3-6 months, not really a problem.

 

[volfanhill]

No, you die and that was the point.

So you are of the belief if you go outside right now you die? Because if you don’t your analogy is crap

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

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Christie probably did more to get Obama re-elected than Obama himself.

 

[TennTradition]

Ok. Also, I think in 1-2 years it will be interesting to see how much death was just pulled forward 3-6 months. If you're pulling deaths forward by 5-10 years then that is a significant problem. If you're pulling deaths forward 3-6 months, not really a problem.

I think that it is a worthwhile consideration and interesting - but I also acknowledge it will be very difficult to detect such a pull-forward unless it happens over a short period. Would be easiest to spot in NY since they’ve had the most deaths. NY averages close to 13k deaths a month. So if you spread 30k deaths over 3-6 months you’d see that signal in the noise if there are a significant number that were pulled forward - as long as CV quiets down by then and doesn’t elevate the base.

 

[hUTch2002]

CNN considers whether a black hole swallowed the missing Malaysian plane

When you’re spouting crazier things than Courtney Love you know you’ve gone from out in left field to out of the stadium.

 

[VolStrom]

I think that it is a worthwhile consideration and interesting - but I also acknowledge it will be very difficult to detect such a pull-forward unless it happens over a short period. Would be easiest to spot in NY since they’ve had the most deaths. NY averages close to 13k deaths a month. So if you spread 30k deaths over 3-6 months you’d see that signal in the noise if there are a significant number that were pulled forward - as long as CV quiets down by then and doesn’t elevate the base.

So what you're saying is that the number of deaths from covid-19 is insignificant in the long term? Just trying to dumb your doctor speak down a little.

 

[Roustabout]

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This should be applied to all major network news stations.

 

[Sea Ray]

All the networks have their faults, but Fox News has far more unqualified guests spewing their opinions. FoxNews is the main agent for the dumbing down of America phenomena.

I'll be the first to say that Fox News gives the right wing view of life. But they do serve a purpose as a balance to the left wing biased news that is all around us. They serve a very worthwhile purpose and I'll give you a recent example: Heroes bill

If not for Fox News, would you have known that it includes cash disbursements for people who have not followed our immigration laws to be here ? Call them what you want, undocumented, illegal aliens, whatever.

Would we have known that it includes a provision to ban our gov't from enforcing existing immigration laws against many of these people?

Would we have known that it includes a provision to release a great number of federal prisoners just because of their age and health?

Would we have known that it includes a federal paycheck guarantee?

Would we have known that it references cannabis 68 times?

Would we have known that the bill would put federal student-loan repayments (and interest accrual) on pause and make it easier for certain government employees to get their student loans forgiven ?

Main stream news sources don't tell us stuff like this. It's an 1800 page bill. None of us yokels are going to read all of that. We need right wing news sources to tell us stuff the left wing folks won't.