Latest Coronavirus - Yikes

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McDad said:
Please remind of this a lot in future discussions.

I admit, I was one who thought economic calamity was imminent. Still not sure how we avoided it, tbh.
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Agreed. We lost some small businesses that will never come back and that is a tragedy, but American entrepreneurs are way smarter and more flexible than I gave them credit for. Many were able to switch horses mid-stream.

It makes a lot of sense. Every company I've worked for that wasn't nimble eventually failed, especially during the dot com bust when bad ideas were being funded like the last painted lady in the only saloon in an Old West cow town.
 
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Rifleman said:
Agreed. We lost some small businesses that will never come back and that is a tragedy, but American entrepreneurs are way smarter and more flexible than I gave them credit for. Many were able to switch horses mid-stream.

It makes a lot of sense. Every company I've worked for that wasn't nimble eventually failed, especially during the dot com bust when bad ideas were being funded like the last painted lady in the only saloon in an Old West cow town.
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I wouldn't declare victory yet. We will have some long term impact from this.

While this wasn't a demand driven event we will still see a reduction in demand lingering from both concern about the virus and loss of income. Likewise, we will continue to see reduced supply from restrictions (particularly in entertainment, travel and hospitality and restaurant/bar).
 
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volinbham said:
I wouldn't declare victory yet. We will have some long term impact from this.

While this wasn't a demand driven event we will still see a reduction in demand lingering from both concern about the virus and loss of income. Likewise, we will continue to see reduced supply from restrictions (particularly in entertainment, travel and hospitality and restaurant/bar).
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Sorry, Buzzkill!

I've already declared total victory over BOTH Covid and the economic impacts so no takebacks!

(Obviously, I agree with being careful about extreme statements. That was my point. The truth lies somewhere in the middle -- the virus and the economic impacts are very bad -- but they are not the viral/economic Armageddons that the woker-than-thou or Trump Train folks on the internet would have you believe.)
 
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allvol123 said:
This started before Trump. It was global warming. Regardless of its existence or lack thereof, the "get on board or else" idea has always been troubling.
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Like the guy who takes charge on leading the hike but changes his mind every 2 seconds about which is the right direction.
 
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volfanhill said:
3rd most populace state and double the population of the ninth most populace
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Yes, I know. Could be worse than number nine. Who really knows how accurate all the numbers are? The employee who wrote the data program got fired for accusing the State of altering its procedures to keep numbers down. Third most populous. Ninth most cases. Not too bad but maybe not a model for success.
 
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Vol Main said:
Could be worse, but ninth most cases is not something I would cheer about.
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This is just a little more complicated than that.

1) Per capita, Florida is 37th in cases with 2.8 per 1,000. For reference, New York has 19.7 cases per 1,000.

2) Even with that per capita comparison we need to look at testing to see if one state is testing more robustly.

Florida is 31st in per capita tests run with 52 per 1,000. New York is 2nd, with 118 per thousand.

The testing gap is there but it would not explain a difference in 2.8 cases per thousand versus 19.7.

Considering the portion of Florida's population which is elderly, and therefore at risk, we can definitely say they've had a far better outcome than many other states.

What I would question is whether the variables which prompted that outcome were anything in the control of the leaders in Tallahassee.
 
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TennTradition said:
I'm in some kind of weird place on this.

I know the data well. I've never lived in personal fear - though I've had a lot of concern, seeing that 100-200k deaths was very likely. But, despite not having "personal fear," I'm still taking precautions.

Back in March, we were wiping down groceries (mainly because I didn't know how many local infections we had because we had been testing so poorly). But, once I got a handle on infection rates, we dropped that.

However, we haven't eaten in a restaurant since March. I have not seen a friend or colleague since March, other than my every-other-Sunday volunteering at Church for media for the live-stream.

It's been an easy choice to make, so I've said no big deal.

That's going to be changing soon. My sister is getting remarried at the end of the month and we're heading back to TN for the wedding. My wife is actually a little nervous about having the kids there, but I'm not at all. We are heading to Michigan after the wedding to stay with my wife's cousin's family for a good part of July. They have a house on a little lake there and we'll just quarantine with them. That'll enable us to have my wife's mother (immunocompromised) and grandmother (97) come see us while there and not be too worried about giving them any virus. Then, after that, I imagine we'll try to return life back to normal for at least the rest of summer and then we'll see if fall brings a resurgence.
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I completely understand wanting to protect those who are at higher risk for bad outcomes should they contract the virus.

I do not understand those who at very low risk completely changing their lifestyle. I do, however, support their rights to do so.

My biggest issues with the way the virus situation is being handled are:

1) the response in many places were not adjusted to the new facts on the ground

2) the politicians, “experts”, and the media peddled panic versus facts. There was a lot of misinformation that was reported as fact

3) the risk based choices were not left up to the individual

Personally, I’d fly on an airplane tomorrow after sitting down at the airport bar and not think twice about it. In fact I traveled international multiple times at the beginning of the outbreak.

On one hand I can somewhat understand the choices made early on with the unknowns. On the other, it doesn’t take a degree in statistics to understand the early reads on the virus were heavily skewed to a bad outcome based on sample bias. It should have been made clear early on who was at most risk and then allow individuals to choose their level of tolerance.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
This is how my BIL and his wife are currently. They go nowhere but the streets of their neighborhood. They pick up groceries and leave them in the garage for two days. In Texas. They will die of botulism before they get corona. They think businesses should stay closed until next year, but of course he can work from home and she doesn't work so that's an easy position to take. They're apparently ok with the grocery people risking imminent death to supply their oat milk. My wife has asked them about coming here and their list of rules is moronic. We would not be allowed to go anywhere or see anyone for two weeks before their arrival, and we can't go anywhere or do anything while they're here. They will not stay in a hotel on the drive here or back, which is baffling to me considering there are probably rooms that haven't been used in 3 months. My daughter has a dance recital prior to their arrival date and they said you can pick that or us. It's unreal. I know the wife is driving the train but the BIL is onboard and is very supportive. Their parents have offered to visit but due to their reckless grocery shopping and hair appointments they would only allow them to see their grandson from the street. I feel bad for my wife, she is pregnant and due in August and I don't think her brother will even come for it "because he could kill their parents". So she's already got a lot on her plate and now he's acting like a mental case. It's like this whole thing has flipped some switch in people's head. He's a nice enough guy but I will never be able to forget how he's acted during this. I'd already written the wife off but her true colors have come out.
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That’s brutal. Congrats on the coming new addition, though.
 
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