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[MontyPython]

Texas hits all-time high for COVID-19 cases; governor urges residents to stay home

Texas is hitting an all-time high for COVID-19 cases and Gov. Greg Abbott told state residents to stay home unless they need to be out.
“Texas will report an all-time high in the number of cases of people testing positive of more than 5,000,” Abbott said in an interview on KBTX. “The hospitalization rate is at an all-time high. Coronavirus is spreading in Brazos County and across the entire state of Texas, which is exactly why action is being taken.”
Hours later, state health officials reported a record 5,489 new COVID-19 cases.
And the state broke its record for hospitalizations for the 12th day in a row, with the Department of State Health Services reporting 4,092 COVID-19 patients in Texas hospitals.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Kung Flu Kung Flu Kung Flu Kung Flu Kung Flu

 

[MontyPython]

The best part of the Trump administration is they're so cohesive... a well-oiled machine with all the greatest people!

As a red-blooded American, I can always count on Trump and know where he and his administration stand on CV19.

6/20 Trump: "Testing is a double-edged sword," Trump said at the rally. "We've tested now 25 million people. It's probably 20 million people more than anybody else ... Here's the bad part: When you do testing to that extent, you're going to find more people, you're going to find more cases. So I said to my people, slow the testing down — please."

6/21 Press Secy McEnany: Told reporters that Trump made comment "in jest" and was "joking about the media and their failure to understand the fact that when you test more you also find more cases."

6/23 Trump: "I don't kid," Trump said in response to CBS News Correspondent Weijia Jiang asking him to clarify whether he had been joking when he said he asked for testing to be slowed.

6/23 Press Secy McEnany: ""What he was making was a serious point, which is why he said, 'I don't kid," McEnany said, according to Jiang. "He was noting — he was making a serious point but he was using sarcasm to do that at the rally."

Trump is so lame, he can't even organize his own tiny inner-circle, much less coordinate a cohesive, nationwide plan on combating the virus. Zero leadership.

SMH. Pathetic.

 

[MontyPython]

What is Trump's master, national plan to fight the virus? Anybody?

Asking for a friend who missed the rally.

 

[Sandman 423]

What is Trump's master, national plan to fight the virus? Anybody?

Asking for a friend who missed the rally.

I would assume they plan to fight it the same way you fight any other virus. Do you know a different way that works?

 

[Volsfaninva917]

What is Trump's master, national plan to fight the virus? Anybody?

Asking for a friend who missed the rally.

What would you have done differently?

 

[MontyPython]

What would you have done differently?

(1) Have an ongoing National Advisory Board and Plan developed by a non-partisan group of scientists, technocrats, and regulators with input from business groups;
(2) Follow the Interim Plan developed by the CDC in March, 2020;
(3) Wait to loosen social restrictions and open each state's economy until (at least) there's a trend downward in cases over X period of time;
(4) Have a President that leads by example and actually follows the recommendations of his own administration (wears a mask, socially distances);
(5) Have a President that doesn't encourage others to engage in behavior that puts them severely at risk (i.e. holds a rally with no social distancing and largely without face masks).

This is just for starters. I need my english muffins.

 

[Volsfaninva917]

(1) Have an ongoing National Advisory Board and Plan developed by a non-partisan group of scientists, technocrats, and regulators with input from business groups;
(2) Follow the Interim Plan developed by the CDC in March, 2020;
(3) Wait to loosen social restrictions and open each state's economy until (at least) there's a trend downward in cases over X period of time;
(4) Have a President that leads by example and actually follows the recommendations of his own administration (wears a mask, socially distances);
(5) Have a President that doesn't encourage others to engage in behavior that puts them severely at risk (i.e. holds a rally with no social distancing and largely without face masks).

This is just for starters. I need my english muffins.

The first 3 he did in some way shape or form. The last 2 I have no answers other than hes acted like a dumbass teenager, especially the last few weeks.

 

[MontyPython]

The first 3 he did in some way shape or form. The last 2 I have no answers other than hes acted like a dumbass teenager, especially the last few weeks.

I don't think Trump has followed the first 3 listed at all. In fact, he's pressured states to opening way before they should have been, and as I recall, he basically told the CDC to rewrite its recommendations to allow states to open up sooner. Just my recollection.

 

[DC_Vol]

I don't think Trump has followed the first 3 listed at all. In fact, he's pressured states to opening way before they should have been, and as I recall, he basically told the CDC to rewrite its recommendations to allow states to open up sooner. Just my recollection.

Every state should be open and the responsibility for protecting oneself from exposure should rest solely with the individual.

 

[MontyPython]

Every state should be open and the responsibility for protecting oneself from exposure should rest solely with the individual.

Well, I think that approach is playing out right now in places like FL, TX and AZ. Cases are skyrocketing, but deaths haven't increased much yet. We shall see.

 

[37L1]

I don't think Trump has followed the first 3 listed at all. In fact, he's pressured states to opening way before they should have been, and as I recall, he basically told the CDC to rewrite its recommendations to allow states to open up sooner. Just my recollection.

States opening? States opening?

I thought they were all open when this was accepted as OK.

 

[Purple Tiger]

Every state should be open and the responsibility for protecting oneself from exposure should rest solely with the individual.

IF that actually works somewhere, will you let us know?

 

[utvolpj]

How's that going in FL and TX?

Actually it's not a terrible thing. The cases are rising but other numbers aren't. Plus those case numbers include multiple tests on the same person and now antibody tests.

The way this is being treated is unlike any other illness in history. Applying traditional rules is blowing it out of proportion

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

Actually it's not a terrible thing. The cases are rising but other numbers aren't. Plus those case numbers include multiple tests on the same person and now antibody tests.

The way this is being teaches is unlike any other illness in history. Applying traditional rules is blowing it or if proportion

I tend to agree. At the beginning I was all about mitigating it as much as possible. 4 months in and with all of the information we have, we probably overreacted. My biggest concern is the massive infringement on freedom. Whether or not it was needed, I’m scared it opened Pandora’s box and now government can use any reason needed to do it again.

 

[McDad]

Well, I think that approach is playing out right now in places like FL, TX and AZ. Cases are skyrocketing, but deaths haven't increased much yet. We shall see.

Am I the only one that reads this post's "we shall see" line and get the feeling it's like the Grim Reaper salivating at the opportunity??? Maybe I have a take on it which is all askew right now, and if that isn't your intention, MP, please forgive me. But the handful of folks who continue to push the new cases fear porn seem to be almost hopeful that fatalities skyrocket.

My take, increased cases (even dramatic increases) without fatalities are a great thing. Hospitalizations are expected and as long as the local healthcare system isn't overwhelmed, this is the process of our society developing the immunity we must have. This virus isn't going away. It is here to stay...just like influenza, rhinoviruses, streps, staphs, etc.

 

[utvolpj]

I tend to agree. At the beginning I was all about mitigating it as much as possible. 4 months in and with all of the information we have, we probably overreacted. My biggest concern is the massive infringement on freedom. Whether or not it was needed, I’m scared it opened Pandora’s box and now government can use any reason needed to do it again.

looking back I still can't argue much with the initial response. Everyone was freaked out. But we needed am adult to say "we overreacted in the name of safety. Not going to apologize for that. We do need to make some protective measures for our vulnerable citizens but we also need to get moving again. Here's how we suggest doing it."

Absolutely agree they now know how easy it is to lock down the entire country. It will be used again

 

[Weezy]

Even if deaths increase that doesn't mean we should be locking down. Locking down does nothing but delay the inevitable, and makes it much more likely you won't have the money to do what needs to be done. And there's no evidence masks do anything. We should have built herd immunity in those under 50.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

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If people don't believe the media is involved in inflated numbers in this farce... They aren't paying attention.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Gov. Whitmer Declines to Answer Rep. Scalise's Questions on Devastating Nursing Home Policy

In Michigan, Gov. Whitmer’s policy that led to a massive increase in nursing home deaths has received bipartisan criticism. Michigan has a total of 38,000 residents living in nursing homes and reported 1,947; for context, Florida has an estimated 140,000-150,000 residents in nursing homes and saw 1,637 deaths associated with nursing homes. The Detroit News also reported that Gov. Whitmer’s administration declined a suggestion from the CEO of the Health Care Association of Michigan to move COVID-positive patients to “vacant facilities” rather than highly populated nursing homes, in order to avoid such a widespread infection.

Michigan’s state legislature passed a resolution last week urging Gov. Whitmer to end the policy that allows COVID-positive patients to share quarters with healthy residents:
"Gov. Whitmer's nursing home policy put the lives of Michigan's most vulnerable to COVID-19 in danger and it's time she explains why the state implemented this disastrous policy and continues it," said Tori Sachs, executive director of Michigan Rising Action. "We applaud the Michigan legislature's resolution denouncing Whitmer's nursing home policy and efforts to pass legislation to protect seniors moving forward."

They will not allow my aunt out of her Michigan nursing home. My sister is contemplating permanently removing her. No one in Michigan has a favorable opinion of whitmer. Even my liberal brother in law.
Governors who are ok putting positives in with negatives are giving some residence death sentences. It is an intentional act at this point.

 

[MontyPython]

Am I the only one that reads this post's "we shall see" line and get the feeling it's like the Grim Reaper salivating at the opportunity??? Maybe I have a take on it which is all askew right now, and if that isn't your intention, MP, please forgive me. But the handful of folks who continue to push the new cases fear porn seem to be almost hopeful that fatalities skyrocket.

My take, increased cases (even dramatic increases) without fatalities are a great thing. Hospitalizations are expected and as long as the local healthcare system isn't overwhelmed, this is the process of our society developing the immunity we must have. This virus isn't going away. It is here to stay...just like influenza, rhinoviruses, streps, staphs, etc.

Heh. I agree with your post. The $64K question is can we open up things and *not* end up with a shortage of ICU units, respirators, etc. It seems logical that if the most vulnerable isolate themselves, this could happen. But, it's kind of like Professor Malcomb in Jurassic Park... "life finds a way".

Viruses are really an incredible foe. I did a little back of the envelope math: A 150 nanometer CV-19 bug killing a human is the scale equivalent of a human killing a giant 20,000 miles tall. And they basically are able to kill us when our own body fights itself.

 

[LouderVol]

Well, I think that approach is playing out right now in places like FL, TX and AZ. Cases are skyrocketing, but deaths haven't increased much yet. We shall see.

But not Georgia. Remember the first state to open up? It was sure death and mayhem here. You wouldnt be able to take grandma anywhere.

And trump got onto them for opening up. The irony is one of my biggest things with Trump. With how inconsistent he is there is an almost guarantee that what the left dislikes that he does, and the right likes that he does, that Trump will flip flop. Like the Georgia opening. He told the governor's behind closed doors to open up. And the left freaked. Georgia then announced their opening and Trump publically called Kemp out on it. It wasnt just Trump actions that are ironically inconsistent, but also the parties reactions to his actions.

 

[LouderVol]

IF that actually works somewhere, will you let us know?

GA seems to be doing pretty good as the Guinea pig. I am pretty sure our increase in cases was tied proportionally to the rise in cases. At least for that first month it did. No idea what the protests have done to things.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

I tend to agree. At the beginning I was all about mitigating it as much as possible. 4 months in and with all of the information we have, we probably overreacted. My biggest concern is the massive infringement on freedom. Whether or not it was needed, I’m scared it opened Pandora’s box and now government can use any reason needed to do it again.

And even during the lockdown at the beginning when hospitals were full, numbers were still lower than the graphs were expecting. We need to protect those who are older, and more at risk due to other medical conditions, but its more than time to open up and let able bodied Americans go out. Like others have pointed out this thing isn't going away we are just delaying the inevitable.

 

[Vol737]

Try shutting down states again and see how that goes. It will make the last three weeks of protests pale by comparison. Can't just drive people to permanent bankruptcy and have the govt. try and backstop 300M + people. Continue to distance, wear masks, sanitize/wash hands, keep testing and let this play out.