Latest Coronavirus - Yikes

[Sea Ray]

Private business can require it, ma'am, as policy.

Most state's dental boards require things such as getting your temp taken. A patient that refuses that touchless thermometer temp reading is not someone you want to do any medical treatment on. Being a medical doctor has nothing to do with taking one's temp. They're doing it in airports and other places

 

[TennTradition]

Pcr could be up to 80% false positives. That's why we are seeing all the symptomless positives. Plus it picks up any retrovirus. They need to open up and let it die out. By sheltering healthy people they are only extending this.

It looks to me like the CDC assay PCR is about 98% specific. As long as patients who are being retested during recovery are not included in the "new case" designation, which Tennessee does not, then the percentage of new cases resulting from false positives will be a function of general infection rates.

If you perform 10,000 tests, you would expect about 200 cases from false positives. So, if infections are bottoming out and percent positive is just 4%, then yes, about 50% of those could be false positives.

However, in states like Texas where percent positives are now climbing toward 20%, you would expect false positives to be only about 10% of daily new cases. That's not a small amount, but is much more acceptable than 50%.

I do not know if we are still using the CDC PCR assay, do you?

There are other PCR tests that have shown to be 100% specific.

 

[RikidyBones]

Most state's dental boards require things such as getting your temp taken. A patient that refuses that touchless thermometer temp reading is not someone you want to do any medical treatment on. Being a medical doctor has nothing to do with taking one's temp. They're doing it in airports and other places

Yeah taking a temp doesnt eliminate transmission but it lessens the chance but again, private business can require it.

 

[Sea Ray]

False Perception of COVID-19's Impact on the Homeless

I guess we have a different idea of what homeless means.

CDC estimates that there are 1.4 million people living in homeless shelters each year. It is a population with the potential for widespread transmission of COVID-19 because “[h]omeless shelters are often crowded, making social distancing difficult,” and “[m]any persons experiencing homelessness are older or have underlying medical conditions, placing them at higher risk for severe COVID-19–associated illness,” the CDC said.

If they're living in a shelter then they aren't exactly homeless

 

[RockyTop85]

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...is-five-largest-hospitals-are-out-of-icu-beds

 

[Sea Ray]

Yeah taking a temp doesnt eliminate transmission but it lessens the chance but again, private business can require it.

I'm not even going to get into whether it's prudent. The fact is dental offices have a ton of regulations and this is one of them.

 

[hog88]

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...is-five-largest-hospitals-are-out-of-icu-beds

And just like all the other fear porn articles like this one, it never mentions how many covid patients are in the ICU.

 

[hog88]

I'm not even going to get into whether it's prudent. The fact is dental offices have a ton of regulations and this is one of them.

It shouldn't be. It should be the offices choice.

 

[RockyTop85]

And just like all the other fear porn articles like this one, it never mentions how many covid patients are in the ICU.

Beds taken by people without covid don't count? Good to know.

Could you write to the governor and the administration of the University of Mississippi Medical Center and let them know that they’re freaking out for no reason?

 

[RikidyBones]

Beds taken by people without covid don't count? Good to know.

Could you write to the governor and the head of the University of Mississippi Medical Center and let them know that they’re freaking out for no reason?

The implication is that it's full of covid patients. that's why that matters. If the ICU beds are at 85% noncovid and 10% covid, are we really seeing an issue with covid causing the hospitals to be at capacity? No we arent

 

[NurseGoodVol]

It looks to me like the CDC assay PCR is about 98% specific. As long as patients who are being retested during recovery are not included in the "new case" designation, which Tennessee does not, then the percentage of new cases resulting from false positives will be a function of general infection rates.

If you perform 10,000 tests, you would expect about 200 cases from false positives. So, if infections are bottoming out and percent positive is just 4%, then yes, about 50% of those could be false positives.

However, in states like Texas where percent positives are now climbing toward 20%, you would expect false positives to be only about 10% of daily new cases. That's not a small amount, but is much more acceptable than 50%.

I do not know if we are still using the CDC PCR assay, do you?

There are other PCR tests that have shown to be 100% specific.

I'll have to investigate that a little further. I have a lab buddy I need to talk to. She's pretty sharp.
Pcr relies on replication for indentification. It depends on how many replications each lab requires for a positive. Some could require 25 which will give you more negatives, some can require 40 replications which will give you more positives.
They can make the numbers come out any way they want by setting replication standards.
I also need to find out if they have isolated and washed a pure covid19 virus sample from a pt.

 

[0nelilreb]

Beds taken by people without covid don't count? Good to know.

Could you write to the governor and the administration of the University of Mississippi Medical Center and let them know that they’re freaking out for no reason?

What the actual F ? Am I reading that right ?

 

[McDad]

Beds taken by people without covid don't count? Good to know.

Could you write to the governor and the administration of the University of Mississippi Medical Center and let them know that they’re freaking out for no reason?

Ave length of stay in ICU is 3.3 days. If the governor or admin is freaking out, I'd recommend they cancel non urgent surgeries and by Tuesday, they will have plenty of beds.

Don't be part of the chicken little brigade.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

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What the actual F ? Am I reading that right ?

Wow
I looked up how many hospitals have closed in last 10 years.
State-by-state breakdown of 83 rural hospital closures: Of the 26 states that have seen at least one rural hospital close since 2010, those with the most closures are located in the South, according to research from the North Carolina Rural Health Research Program.

 

[RockyTop85]

The implication is that it's full of covid patients. that's why that matters. If the ICU beds are at 85% noncovid and 10% covid, are we really seeing an issue with covid causing the hospitals to be at capacity? No we arent

If those last 15% of beds would normally be available then yes, it is Covid induced strain on the infrastructure. Everybody else doesn’t magically stop needing treatment because of a pandemic.

 

[luthervol]

You think Trump is the disease. Trump is nothing more than a symptom of the disease. Our entire political system has become a perpetuating cancer. You, like most, have chosen a side. You tell yourself you're on the side of the righteous. Trumpers do the same. But neither side is truly righteous. They're both corrupted, both the same. No amount of degrees or continuums will change the fact that both parties are self-serving. Neither side is about doing the will of the people. If elected, Biden will not be a return to "normalcy". You can tell yourself that, convince yourself of that, but it's not true. We left normal behind a long time ago. But most people don't want to look behind the curtain. Most people are willfully ignorant. We've become lazy, complacent, and compliant to a corrupt government.

Everyone was aware that the system was showing signs of being sick. To me, the Trump nomination and election was like the doctor coming in and saying it's far worse than we expected. The things you expressed feeling yesterday are the things that millions upon millions felt the night Trump was elected and have felt to some degree every day since.
"I just want some sense of normalcy to return. Some shred of good news to brighten the day. But everywhere I look, it just seems chaos."
"It's hard to keep from breaking, and I'm not sure that I haven't."

I know many on here love to belittle "feelz". I've never been one of those.
Many on here took delight in "liberal tears" and showing the videos of people crying.
Millions were shocked, stunned, devastated, broken...and most of those were young people. People can mock and laugh at those reactions, but they were real. It was a devastating blow to America and one from which we haven't recovered. Nov. is a more critical election than most imagine....and that is simply the truth.

 

[hog88]

Beds taken by people without covid don't count? Good to know.

Could you write to the governor and the administration of the University of Mississippi Medical Center and let them know that they’re freaking out for no reason?

Could the authors of these articles simply include how many covid patients are occupying the ICU beds? If a hospital has 20 ICU beds and 3-4 are occupied by covid patients and the other 16-17 are occupied by non-covid it wouldn't make as good a story now would it?

 

[0nelilreb]

Ave length of stay in ICU is 3.3 days. If the governor or admin is freaking out, I'd recommend they cancel non urgent surgeries and by Tuesday, they will have plenty of beds.

Don't be part of the chicken little brigade.

If they only have one hospital that takes care of major trauma / transplant patients for 3 million people , they’ve been playing with fire for a long time .

 

[RockyTop85]

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What the actual F ? Am I reading that right ?

People on the north end of the state would get sent to Memphis, I imagine and people in the southern end to New Orleans, maybe.

 

[Septic]

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...is-five-largest-hospitals-are-out-of-icu-beds

its a hoax

George Soros is paying people to sleep in those beds

 

[Roustabout]

I guess we have a different idea of what homeless means.



If they're living in a shelter then they aren't exactly homeless

Huh. That's about stupid. If you are living in a HOMELESS shelter, your're homeless.

 

[McDad]

If they only have one hospital that takes care of major trauma / transplant patients for 3 million people , they’ve been playing with fire for a long time .

i have no idea the population and distance between centers minimum for that CoN, though.

 

[McDad]

If those last 15% of beds would normally be available then yes, it is Covid induced strain on the infrastructure. Everybody else doesn’t magically stop needing treatment because of a pandemic.

Either lying or misinformed.

 

[RockyTop85]

Could the authors of these articles simply include how many covid patients are occupying the ICU beds? If a hospital has 20 ICU beds and 3-4 are occupied by covid patients and the other 16-17 are occupied by non-covid it wouldn't make as good a story now would it?

It would certainly allow people with an agenda to make a big stink about the ratio of Covid to other illnesses to try to ignore the fact that the marginal increase in ICU admissions has depleted that resource.

 

[RockyTop85]

Ave length of stay in ICU is 3.3 days. If the governor or admin is freaking out, I'd recommend they cancel non urgent surgeries and by Tuesday, they will have plenty of beds.

Don't be part of the chicken little brigade.

According to people I know there (one of whom works at the ER at UMMC) the State of MS hasn’t been doing non-urgent surgeries since March.