Latest Coronavirus - Yikes

[SpaceCoastVol]

I do think it's funny that I'm having to explain to an attorney that medications, vaccines, and other therapeutics quite frequently have unintended side effects (and even cause harm).

He can't show his hand. He doesn't know which side of the argument he will be taking when the dumptruck full of money shows up in his lobby.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Just fear porn trying to make sure Biden isn't re-elected

He won't be alive to be re-elected.

 

[lawgator1]

Well, now we're getting somewhere...

Now, should businesses be able to demand proof of a flu vaccination before they allow a person to use their business?

Yes, they are private entities. I was absolutely floored about 6 weeks ago when one week the Republican mantra was that vaccine passports from the government were an outrageous unconstitutional intrusion into telling private business what they could and could not do, and the very next week Ron Desantis, the Trump heir apparent, signed an executive order preventing businesses from altering, limiting or otherwise taking into account vaccination status. And he was celebrated in GOP circles all over the country for doing so.

THE VERY PRINCIPLE the Republicans claimed as their moral high ground -- the government cannot tell business what to do -- they absolutely trashed the very next week. And then high fived each other. Remarkable.

Should schools be allowed to demand a "flu passport" before your child can enroll or force them to wear a mask until they do?

Because, silly litiGator, that's exactly what's happening in some places. A disease that has about the same death rates as the flu is being treated like the 21st century version of HIV.

Schools are a much tougher decision because there are so many complicating factors. For one thing, the students are too young to understand and make informed decisions for themselves as to whether they should be vaccinated and whether it is right to require that others they are around be vaccinated. And parents may have strong feelings for their own child, but you have to balance the risk that decision creates for other children.

I struggle with this one and so am open to all sides. And I say "all sides" because the number of points of view with merit at issue are way more than "both."

 

[Weezy]

I don't think vaccine passports should be banned except for government services, e.g. public schools.

I dislike them vehemently and won't do business with those that require them. I am concerned about daycare. It's already so hard to get into one, I'd be forced to hire a nanny.

 

[allvol123]

Yes, they are private entities. I was absolutely floored about 6 weeks ago when one week the Republican mantra was that vaccine passports from the government were an outrageous unconstitutional intrusion into telling private business what they could and could not do, and the very next week Ron Desantis, the Trump heir apparent, signed an executive order preventing businesses from altering, limiting or otherwise taking into account vaccination status. And he was celebrated in GOP circles all over the country for doing so.

THE VERY PRINCIPLE the Republicans claimed as their moral high ground -- the government cannot tell business what to do -- they absolutely trashed the very next week. And then high fived each other. Remarkable.




Schools are a much tougher decision because there are so many complicating factors. For one thing, the students are too young to understand and make informed decisions for themselves as to whether they should be vaccinated and whether it is right to require that others they are around be vaccinated. And parents may have strong feelings for their own child, but you have to balance the risk that decision creates for other children.

I struggle with this one and so am open to all sides. And I say "all sides" because the number of points of view with merit at issue are way more than "both."

Of course you struggle with it. Because you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[newyorkvol]

Key figure in Wuhan research thanked Fauci for downplaying lab leak hypothesis - News Break

Peter Daszak should be made to answer some hard questions.

 

[LouderVol]

Yes, they are private entities. I was absolutely floored about 6 weeks ago when one week the Republican mantra was that vaccine passports from the government were an outrageous unconstitutional intrusion into telling private business what they could and could not do, and the very next week Ron Desantis, the Trump heir apparent, signed an executive order preventing businesses from altering, limiting or otherwise taking into account vaccination status. And he was celebrated in GOP circles all over the country for doing so.

THE VERY PRINCIPLE the Republicans claimed as their moral high ground -- the government cannot tell business what to do -- they absolutely trashed the very next week. And then high fived each other. Remarkable.




Schools are a much tougher decision because there are so many complicating factors. For one thing, the students are too young to understand and make informed decisions for themselves as to whether they should be vaccinated and whether it is right to require that others they are around be vaccinated. And parents may have strong feelings for their own child, but you have to balance the risk that decision creates for other children.

I struggle with this one and so am open to all sides. And I say "all sides" because the number of points of view with merit at issue are way more than "both."

They are putting individuals over businesses over the government.

Seems like the proper order of things.

 

[AshG]

They are putting individuals over businesses over the government.

Seems like the proper order of things.

I thought Citizens United ruling said that businesses are people, too? I kid, I kid.

 

[headhunter15]

Anyone keeping up with the Fauci emails?

 

[hog88]

They are putting individuals over businesses over the government.

Seems like the proper order of things.

Still it's wrong to ban private business from requiring proof of vaccination.

 

[headhunter15]

https://twitter.com/i/events/1400074005973852164?s=21

 

[DinkinFlicka]

I don't think vaccine passports should be banned except for government services, e.g. public schools.

I dislike them vehemently and won't do business with those that require them. I am concerned about daycare. It's already so hard to get into one, I'd be forced to hire a nanny.

But hey, at least you have your principles.

 

[Grand Vol]

Schools are a much tougher decision because there are so many complicating factors. For one thing, the students are too young to understand and make informed decisions for themselves as to whether they should be vaccinated and whether it is right to require that others they are around be vaccinated. And parents may have strong feelings for their own child, but you have to balance the risk that decision creates for other children.

I struggle with this one and so am open to all sides. And I say "all sides" because the number of points of view with merit at issue are way more than "both."

There are quite a few state funded and run schools that are requiring proof of vaccination before allowing a student in. Is this not the government, by proxy at least, making that decision?

 

[volinbham]

a key issue in the "require the vaccine" debate is that the vaccine is not FDA approved - it has an emergency waiver for use but it is not approved.

it's apples and oranges to compare it to fully approved vaccines and requiring them for school, work, etc.

 

[ButchPlz]

a key issue in the "require the vaccine" debate is that the vaccine is not FDA approved - it has an emergency waiver for use but it is not approved.

it's apples and oranges to compare it to fully approved vaccines and requiring them for school, work, etc.

I'm not sure why this point isn't brought up more. There is a massive difference between approval and an EUA. Same in the medical supplies I am working with right now.

 

[kiddiedoc]

I'm not sure why this point isn't brought up more. There is a massive difference between approval and an EUA. Same in the medical supplies I am working with right now.

Under an EUA, FDA may allow the use of unapproved medical products, or unapproved uses of approved medical products in an emergency to diagnose, treat, or prevent serious or life-threatening diseases or conditions when certain statutory criteria have been met, including that there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives.

In children, calling CV19 a "serious or life-threatening disease" would certainly be a stretch. In addition monoclonal antibody is an extremely-effective treatment alternative.

 

[headhunter15]

 

[DancingOutlaw]

a key issue in the "require the vaccine" debate is that the vaccine is not FDA approved - it has an emergency waiver for use but it is not approved.

it's apples and oranges to compare it to fully approved vaccines and requiring them for school, work, etc.

My wife's work is mandating the vaccine. She doesn't want to get it because she's still nursing and the CDC's guidance is basically "we have no data on nursing women but it's probably fine good luck". I told her to ask for a medical exemption, she talked to the director and he said to send an email to "HR", which is just an address that routes to my wife's email. Gigabrain.

 

[allvol123]

My wife's work is mandating the vaccine. She doesn't want to get it because she's still nursing and the CDC's guidance is basically "we have no data on nursing women but it's probably fine good luck". I told her to ask for a medical exemption, she talked to the director and he said to send an email to "HR", which is just an address that routes to my wife's email. Gigabrain.

Hate to hear that. Puts you all in a pickle.

 

[0nelilreb]

My wife's work is mandating the vaccine. She doesn't want to get it because she's still nursing and the CDC's guidance is basically "we have no data on nursing women but it's probably fine good luck". I told her to ask for a medical exemption, she talked to the director and he said to send an email to "HR", which is just an address that routes to my wife's email. Gigabrain.

She has a severe “Serum Sickness “ with vaccines .

 

[LouderVol]

Still it's wrong to ban private business from requiring proof of vaccination.

If the government is going to be heavy handed I am going to support heavy handedness on the side of individuals. I prefer that to favoring businesses and definitely over favoring the government.

 

[volinbham]

My wife's work is mandating the vaccine. She doesn't want to get it because she's still nursing and the CDC's guidance is basically "we have no data on nursing women but it's probably fine good luck". I told her to ask for a medical exemption, she talked to the director and he said to send an email to "HR", which is just an address that routes to my wife's email. Gigabrain.

so she can just give herself the exemption - nice

 

[hog88]

My wife's work is mandating the vaccine. She doesn't want to get it because she's still nursing and the CDC's guidance is basically "we have no data on nursing women but it's probably fine good luck". I told her to ask for a medical exemption, she talked to the director and he said to send an email to "HR", which is just an address that routes to my wife's email. Gigabrain.

With the new OSHA ruling her employers WC would be responsible for any negative effects from the vaccine.

 

[allvol123]

With the new OSHA ruling her employers WC would be responsible for any negative effects from the vaccine.

That is all well and good, but really isnt what anyone in that situation is looking for.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

so she can just give herself the exemption - nice