Latest Coronavirus - Yikes

[UT_VOLS13]

All this nostalgic talk of bygone years. . . . Honestly, I'm a little in the feelz, tonight.

Love the stories of appreciating meals as a kid that many of us would laugh at, now. I can't imagine how that would feel, as a dad like my own, who worked his ass off through whatever job necessary when life dealt him a raw hand, just to afford an occasional trip to Shoney's or (fam favorite) the Ryan's buffet. Heck, a bunch of Taco bell tacos or a 2-pack from Little Caesar's was a treat.

Maybe we should all take just a minute and reflect on how fortunate we are to even be able to be having this discussion on smartphones and computers that we could have never afforded, not so long ago.

Just a little perspective.

All this nostalgic talk of bygone years. . . . Honestly, I'm a little in the feelz, tonight.

Love the stories of appreciating meals as a kid that many of us would laugh at, now. I can't imagine how that would feel, as a dad like my own, who worked his ass off through whatever job necessary when life dealt him a raw hand, just to afford an occasional trip to Shoney's or (fam favorite) the Ryan's buffet. Heck, a bunch of Taco bell tacos or a 2-pack from Little Caesar's was a treat.





Maybe we should all take just a minute and reflect on how fortunate we are to even be able to be having this discussion on smartphones and computers that we could have never afforded, not so long ago.

Just a little perspective.

"Pizza! Pizza!"

 

[kiddiedoc]

"Pizza! Pizza!"

Mom worked part time near the one down in Bearden. I swear, tearing into that paper when she got home was a highlight of our week.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Is liberty tree the new Parler?

 

[GAVol]

That is another subject once you go beyond kids. Heck I think there less than 25,000 deaths for 45 and under, if i am remembering correctly.

The 0-17 crowd is in a whole other stratosphere as mentioned.

It is easy to be 49 and say I will take this vaccine and eliminate my covid risk for the tradeoff of some far off potential issue from the vaccine decades away, when you would be near end of life anyway. Versus putting it in a child, where Covid risk is almost zero and they have 6 to 7 more decades to live out some effect from the vaccine.

Perfectly articulated

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

 

[UT_VOLS13]

Mom worked part time near the one down in Bearden. I swear, tearing into that paper when she got home was a highlight of our week.

I ate a LOT of Little Caesars growing up.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Perfectly articulated

This is pretty much where I am, as well.

It's a delicate balance and decision of actual risk (due to natural infection) vs. possible/unknown long-term (and some short-term) risk of new vaccine.

72 years old (like my parents)? No brainer
49 with diabetes and pushing 250#? No brainer
34 and healthy, no prior infection? Tough call
22 and pregnant? 12? Eek.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Wait, if I'm the clown, then ....

Huh? Dr Fauci is that you?

 

[USAFgolferVol]

Huh? Dr Fauci is that you?

We should have listened to Trump

 

[RikidyBones]

This is pretty much where I am, as well.

It's a delicate balance and decision of actual risk (due to natural infection) vs. possible/unknown long-term (and some short-term) risk of new vaccine.

72 years old (like my parents)? No brainer
49 with diabetes and pushing 250#? No brainer
34 and healthy, no prior infection? Tough call
22 and pregnant? 12? Eek.

33 here. Not vaxxed. Just got over covid. Took about a week. Not in my best shape at 217 lbs and 5'10 but I've only gone down in weight by exercising and cutting soda over the last two years.

Still can't taste or smell but that's the only lingering part.

I probably still won't get the vaccine.

EL and madvol are gonna be sad that I didn't die or need any treatments though.

 

[hog88]

Typical Arkansans in that video including their idiot governor.

 

[UT_Dutchman]

Ponderosa or get out!

Bonanza and it was almost as good as the TV show.

 

[ENGRVOL]

Respect the governor for trying to talk to people politely about taking the vaccine rather than just demonize those who disagree with him like a lot of politicians do.

 

[LouderVol]

Our CEO is asking supervisors to sit down with their unvaxed employees and listen to our concerns as well, with the instruction of walking us through our hesitancy and encouraging us to get it done. Mine has nothing to do with the efficacy or safety of the vaccine (I’m not worried about either); in my personal opinion it’s a slippery slope of what potentially can and can’t be mandated for conditions of employment down the road. I’ve steadfastly informed my supervisor, as well as my wife, that I would in all likelihood resign if a mandate came down.

If they(CDC) want me to consider it like any other vaccine, they should treat it like any other vaccine. Because like you said, if they can mandate this where the only legal protections favor the corporations and people arent allowed much of a choice, it sets a scary precedent.

I also agree about the new job. It bothers me that a new requirement can come down on my continued employment, outside of performance. I dont mind it nearly as much if its required for a new job, but vaccination/health status has never been a part of my current employment.

 

[LouderVol]

We've seen it time and time again. Trump says he recommends getting the vaccine, followed immediately by minimizing that with a comment about honoring personal freedoms.

Tucker et al at Fox tell viewers to get the vaccine. But constantly run stories and commentary suggesting not so subtly that it is not really needed.

DeSantis decries Fauci and CDC guidance.

All of this to minimize the worthiness of the vaccine and appeal to a political base that longs for proof science is bad.

But here's the problem. Vaccination stalls. We stay below herd immunity as a result. And so mutations have time to spring up. Time to spread. And the vaccine slowly loses what might well have been knock out power.

The window to gain victory is not forever because of the mutations. The more people and the longer the period of time of unvaccinated status we have, the greater the risk.

And then when the vaccine is not as effective due to the irresponsibility of the deniers or minimizers or excuse defenders, the harder it is to get people vaccinated. And we end up with even more mutations, and so on.

People who have gone out there and IN ANY WAY hinted, suggested, or supported people not getting vaccinated are causing deaths. And they are just making it worse each cycle we deal with this.

I swear you know more about Trump and what he is doing than anyone else I know. And I have some Q-tards in my family, and I mean that term.

Let it go, let it go, let it go!

 

[volfanhill]

We've seen it time and time again. Trump says he recommends getting the vaccine, followed immediately by minimizing that with a comment about honoring personal freedoms.

Tucker et al at Fox tell viewers to get the vaccine. But constantly run stories and commentary suggesting not so subtly that it is not really needed.

DeSantis decries Fauci and CDC guidance.

All of this to minimize the worthiness of the vaccine and appeal to a political base that longs for proof science is bad.

But here's the problem. Vaccination stalls. We stay below herd immunity as a result. And so mutations have time to spring up. Time to spread. And the vaccine slowly loses what might well have been knock out power.

The window to gain victory is not forever because of the mutations. The more people and the longer the period of time of unvaccinated status we have, the greater the risk.

And then when the vaccine is not as effective due to the irresponsibility of the deniers or minimizers or excuse defenders, the harder it is to get people vaccinated. And we end up with even more mutations, and so on.

People who have gone out there and IN ANY WAY hinted, suggested, or supported people not getting vaccinated are causing deaths. And they are just making it worse each cycle we deal with this.

Where did this current variant originate and what is the vaccination percentage of that country?


We are a LONG way from preventing this thing from mutating

 

[TheDeeble]

It’s really not as experimental as you think. The technology to make the mRNA vaccines has been around for a couple of decades, they’ve just never had a reason to put the technology into use until COVID. It’s why the vaccines were able to be developed and studied in over 500,000 people in a short amount of time.

So will that be the normal procedure going forward? Vaccine development from inception to distribution in a few months instead of years? Or will the FDA require pharmaceutical companies to go back to 10+ years of research and testing before something can be approved? That's where I think they've lost a lot of people. Vaccine development is normally a multi year process.

In this case Covid appears and a vaccine is ready for distribution in less than a year. I think that's where you're getting people saying it's experimental. An mRNA vaccine had never previously been approved for human use I believe. Just testing. And all the normal development timeframes were changed. What is normally years was now months. People had concerns about a non FDA approved vaccine where pharmaceutical companies were given immunity from lawsuits combined with the normal changes in timeframe for development and testing, and instead of explaining where the process changed from years to months and why it shouldn't be concerning those people were called conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxx.

 

[Grand Vol]

We've seen it time and time again. Trump says he recommends getting the vaccine, followed immediately by minimizing that with a comment about honoring personal freedoms.

He's right. The vaccine should be a choice. He made it available, he made it free and he's right that people should choose just like they do with the annual flu vaccine.

Tucker et al at Fox tell viewers to get the vaccine. But constantly run stories and commentary suggesting not so subtly that it is not really needed.

So, you'd prefer to have the media run with only the reasons it's good for you and control the entire narrative?

DeSantis decries Fauci and CDC guidance.

Do you still believe in Santa Claus too? Because still believing in Fauci means exactly that. He's been wrong, he's overestimated, he's talking straight out his ass over a lot of things. The latest? "I hope children don't get psychological issues from wearing masks all the time."

Good on DeSantis for actually calling out that fraud.

All of this to minimize the worthiness of the vaccine and appeal to a political base that longs for proof science is bad.

On the contrary, the other party seems fit to maximize the worthiness of the vaccine as being the end all, be all of modern medicine. All while telling you "well, it won't work on X, Y or Z strain, so, even though we told you the mask mandates would be removed, we're going back on our word and continuing our draconian policies."

But here's the problem. Vaccination stalls. We stay below herd immunity as a result. And so mutations have time to spring up. Time to spread. And the vaccine slowly loses what might well have been knock out power.

What are the annual stats on the flu shot? What are the stats on the Covid shot(s)? Furthermore, how many flu variants are there in the world? Is there a vaccination for all of them as well? Herd immunity is largely a myth for extremely deadly diseases, which Covid is NOT an extremely deadly disease. Genetic mutations (strains if you will) tend to make a disease less virulent over the lifespan, not more deadly.

Again, we are not being told the truth.

The window to gain victory is not forever because of the mutations. The more people and the longer the period of time of unvaccinated status we have, the greater the risk.

Shouldn't it be killing off all the un-vaxed folks? No? Because it isn't as deadly as they let on? Say it ain't so!

And then when the vaccine is not as effective due to the irresponsibility of the deniers or minimizers or excuse defenders, the harder it is to get people vaccinated. And we end up with even more mutations, and so on.

Where'd you get your doctorate again?

People who have gone out there and IN ANY WAY hinted, suggested, or supported people not getting vaccinated are causing deaths. And they are just making it worse each cycle we deal with this.

You know, it's funny since I asked another poster on here a question that he didn't answer. So, I'll ask you...

Do you think the hospitalizations and spread of the Covid Delta variant are possibly due to yet another outbreak of fear mongering and people overreacting to the media going full on Simple Jack over the words of people like Fauci and others? You see, it's funny that late last summer and into fall, the hospitalizations were way the hell down over the initial surge last spring. Why is that?

Is it maybe because people stopped going full potato and starting thinking logically? "Okay, this isn't quite as bad as they let on. Maybe I just need to stay at home and have my chicken soup and everything will be okay."

Do you now see the correlation between the mass hysteria last spring and the emergency rooms full of everyone that thought they had Covid? Or how that dropped after a while when people started actually started thinking on their own? Is the current blip of hospital rates because the media and politicians (again) are acting like the sky is falling?

 

[Rocky_Top_Vol13]

I would think that if he's quoting peer reviewed articles and they're taking down the video because THEY disagree with it, then he would have a free speech or discrimination case against them and sue the crap out of them.

 

[Velo Vol]

 

[volfanhill]

I would think that if he's quoting peer reviewed articles and they're taking down the video because THEY disagree with it, then he would have a free speech or discrimination case against them and sue the crap out of them.

That's not how free speech works

 

[allvol123]

Many people? Is that more or less than killed by illegal aliens?

 

[evillawyer]

"With COVID numbers way up, DeSantis’ numbers are down as he looks toward re-election and then, he hopes, a 2024 presidential run. It’s a game of chicken: Can he troll the libs without killing so many of his constituents that they turn on him?"

 

[evillawyer]

God, what a mess in Florida. Just one more example of the exemplary governing skills of Republicans.
Florida is ablaze with COVID-19—and its case data reporting is a hot mess

 

[Grand Vol]

You won't.

On a side note, I was asked to show my ID at Total Wine today to prove my legal status.

When will this tyranny stop?

Were you buying Boones Farm? Because if that's the case, I'd certainly check your ID since nobody over the age of 21 will drink that stuff.