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bamawriter said:
How does it stretch beyond HI? If you don't want to show your records to the authorities or quarantine in HI, just don't go to HI. It's a foolproof method of avoiding the restrictions.
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Oh sure. If black people dont want to deal with white only stores they just avoid white only stores. Foolproof method of avoiding restrictions.

Except now it's a state. And it applies to it's own citizens. Not just tourists. Returning home? Here Hawaii just sticks you in a quarantine location of their choosing. Hope you got 10 days to lose.

https://www.gohawaii.com/travel-requirements
 
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bamawriter said:
That person has the option of showing a proof of vaccination or proof of a negative test.
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It's not freedom if you got to file paperwork for it or get permission.

Right to assembly, 10 day waiting period.

Right vote, 10 day waiting period. Oh hell that would get the left up in arms. People not allowed to vote because stuck in quarantine. I wonder which side wins that fight.

Even the cops cant hold you that long with putting some evidence in front of someone.
 
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LouderVol said:
Oh sure. If black people dont want to deal with white only stores they just avoid white only stores. Foolproof method of avoiding restrictions.
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Not even remotely the same.

Except now it's a state. And it applies to it's own citizens. Not just tourists. Returning home? Here Hawaii just sticks you in a quarantine location of their choosing. Hope you got 10 days to lose.

https://www.gohawaii.com/travel-requirements
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Perhaps I've misunderstood the requirements, but it doesn't appear that the state determines the location of quarantine. But the individual has to let the state know where they plan to be, and short-term vacation rentals are not permitted (ie you can't rent an AirBnB for the purposes of quarantine).
 
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n_huffhines said:
Nah. I promise you that most of them are for restrictions. I would guess most want hard drugs outlawed. I would guess most want protectionism. Etc.
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You get me on the volnation state righters. But meant people who actually support state rights. We've got conversatives fighting tooth and nail for their welfare on this forum, so I consider us slanted.
 
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#105,535
bamawriter said:
Not even remotely the same.



Perhaps I've misunderstood the requirements, but it doesn't appear that the state determines the location of quarantine. But the individual has to let the state know where they plan to be, and short-term vacation rentals are not permitted (ie you can't rent an AirBnB for the purposes of quarantine).
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People get to determine, except when they dont....yeah.

And how is it different? It's about compliance, and rejection of US citizens being innocent until proven guilty. We have never had to prove our innocence before to keep our rights.

Hawaii needs to prove these people are sick, or gtfo of the way.
 
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LouderVol said:
Was it ever enforced?
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I don't know. Not that it's relevant, but was it ever known to be violated?

Someone asked if TN could set up checkpoints and check vaccination status. I replied with an article that FL set up checkpoints getting contact tracing information from interstate travelers.

There were certainly checkpoints at the state line backing traffic up for miles. I know of one case where a FL resident was arrested for violating a covid checkpoint entering the Keys. That was intra-state rather than interstate. He was turned away, drove through the checkpoint, arrested and charged with evading a disaster preparedness order among other things. I don't know if anyone evaded the interstate order after being turned away.
 
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LouderVol said:
And how is it different? It's about compliance, and rejection of US citizens being innocent until proven guilty. We have never had to prove our innocence before to keep our rights.
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No one is being required to prove "innocence" upon entering HI. One is being asked to prove that he is either vaccinated or recently tested negative. The issue of guilt or innocence only comes up in an instance where he declines to offer such proof and is subsequently accused of violating quarantine.
 
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hog88 said:
No and that’s what you don’t understand about the constitution. It codifies individual rights to protect them from society.
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lol.......It provides the framework for a society to maintain the balance. That's what you do not seem to understand.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
After a little hiccup at the lab, I finally got my 8 month convalescent titers back:

Spike protein Quant Ab = 433 (reference average after two vaccines 245)

Nucleocapsid Ab Positive

Fantastic news for immunity durability! (And reassuring, given my constant/daily exposure)
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Yes but you’re a Demigod. I’m not sure the average mortals will have the same results
 
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World Health Organization says it is monitoring NEW Colombian COVID variant called 'Mu' amid fears it may be vaccine-resistant as Delta infections finally slow in US

  • World Health Organization named the 'Mu' COVID-19 strain, B.1.621, a variant of concern
The World Health Organization has issued a warning about yet another new COVID-19 variant it fears could potentially evade vaccines.

That variant, called Mu, was first detected in Colombia in January, and has been announced just as the Delta variant finally appears to be peaking in the U.S.

Over 4,600 cases of the variant, whose scientific name is B.1.621, have been spotted since then, and it has spread to more than 40 countries.

WHO warns of potentially vaccine resistant 'Mu' variant that originated in Colombia | Daily Mail Online
 
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bamawriter said:
No one is being required to prove "innocence" upon entering HI. One is being asked to prove that he is either vaccinated or recently tested negative. The issue of guilt or innocence only comes up in an instance where he declines to offer such proof and is subsequently accused of violating quarantine.
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Wait what? You are literally saying they have to prove innocence through vaccine or test papers.

So you have to prove your innocence or else prove your innocence. That makes things better in your world?
 
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luthervol said:
lol.......It provides the framework for a society to maintain the balance. That's what you do not seem to understand.
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Balance between individuals and the government.

Makes no sense to protect one collective from another, government vs society.

It's why you have all the rights in the Consitution even if you dont actively use them or conform to the mass opinion of society.
 
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bamawriter said:
Apparently it was enforced at least once.

Maybe only once.

I will say that I think rules that restrict travel from a list of specific states could be problematic. Both NY and FL did this to one degree or another. Article IV isn't violated if all incoming persons are treated the same. But if you single out people from only certain other states, I'm not sure that should fly.
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I know our employees traveled in and out of NY and NYC since the beginning without ever registering, notifying or quarantining.
 
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#105,545
bamawriter said:
How does it stretch beyond HI? If you don't want to show your records to the authorities or quarantine in HI, just don't go to HI. It's a foolproof method of avoiding the restrictions.
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What if a person is traveling to HI for business? That would fall into interfering with commerce.
 
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bamawriter said:
Not even remotely the same.



Perhaps I've misunderstood the requirements, but it doesn't appear that the state determines the location of quarantine. But the individual has to let the state know where they plan to be, and short-term vacation rentals are not permitted (ie you can't rent an AirBnB for the purposes of quarantine).
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So more infringement on commerce.
 
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hog88 said:
There is no compelling interest for a state to request medical records for free entry and movement within a state.
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The compelling interest is limiting the spread of disease. It's the same reason that parents have to provide vaccine records to a public school.
 
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