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LouderVol said:
Lying about the hotel you stay at. Now an arrest-able offense.

Shouldnt have to provide any ID to enter any state from another.
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You don't have to show anything to enter HI. You have to show something in order to avoid quarantining upon arrival. And HI isn't the first state to do it.
 
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bamawriter said:
You don't have to show anything to enter HI. You have to show something in order to avoid quarantining upon arrival. And HI isn't the first state to do it.
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If the penalty for entering, regardless of "ID", is arrest you cant just say its allowed under X condition. It just doesnt pass the smell test.

Has Hawaii actively passed a law and or got court orders?
 
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#105,504
bamawriter said:
But at no point are you forced to hand over your records. If you are unable or unwilling to disclose your vaccine status or proof of a negative test, you are required to quarantine for 10 days. After those 10 days you are free to go about your business, and you won't be asked again until you leave Hawaii and once again return.



Depending on how they go about it, they probably can.
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10 days is an unreasonable amount of time. Especially under a quarantine condition. Hawaii needs to prove the citizens are actively doing something wrong, or gtfo of the way.
 
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LouderVol said:
If the penalty for entering, regardless of "ID", is arrest you cant just say its allowed under X condition. It just doesnt pass the smell test.
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If anyone has sued, they must have lost. I know that NY, NJ, CA, WA, and perhaps a few others had similar quarantine rules at one time. Some may still have them, I haven't checked. None of them were slapped down by any court.

Has Hawaii actively passed a law and or got court orders?
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I really haven't checked into how the protocols were inacted. I would guess they were done by executive order under the governor's emergency powers as granted by the legislature. But that's purely a guess.
 
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LouderVol said:
10 days is an unreasonable amount of time. Especially under a quarantine condition. Hawaii needs to prove the citizens are actively doing something wrong, or gtfo of the way.
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That's between Hawaii and her citizens. It obviously affects tourists, but tourists don't really get a say in how a state acts outside of speaking with their wallets.
 
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bamawriter said:
If anyone has sued, they must have lost. I know that NY, NJ, CA, WA, and perhaps a few others had similar quarantine rules at one time. Some may still have them, I haven't checked. None of them were slapped down by any court.



I really haven't checked into how the protocols were inacted. I would guess they were done by executive order under the governor's emergency powers as granted by the legislature. But that's purely a guess.
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Maine was this way. We have friends there and we joked about Maine acting like East Berlin during Covid. We watched and expected Maine to re implement the policy before we traveled up there last week. They didn't, though.
 
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bamawriter said:
If anyone has sued, they must have lost. I know that NY, NJ, CA, WA, and perhaps a few others had similar quarantine rules at one time. Some may still have them, I haven't checked. None of them were slapped down by any court.



I really haven't checked into how the protocols were inacted. I would guess they were done by executive order under the governor's emergency powers as granted by the legislature. But that's purely a guess.
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And that last is an issue. Just because the government can give themselves the power to do something, doesnt make it right.

And I guess I never saw the stories on the other states arresting people. Contract tracing or even turning them away is not arresting.
 
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bamawriter said:
That's between Hawaii and her citizens. It obviously affects tourists, but tourists don't really get a say in how a state acts outside of speaking with their wallets.
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Imo it does go beyond the borders of Hawaii. This is the local government making an arbitrary determination on the guilt of individuals and choosing to imprison them.
 
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bamawriter said:
If anyone has sued, they must have lost. I know that NY, NJ, CA, WA, and perhaps a few others had similar quarantine rules at one time. Some may still have them, I haven't checked. None of them were slapped down by any court.



I really haven't checked into how the protocols were inacted. I would guess they were done by executive order under the governor's emergency powers as granted by the legislature. But that's purely a guess.
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None were ever enforced by law enforcement.
 
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LouderVol said:
That's not quarantine or arrest.
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I didn't say it was. I replied to a poster about checkpoints for vaccine status. Desantis did this before vaccines were deployed, but there were penalties for failing to quarantine.

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If you find yourself getting flagged at the checkpoint, you must self-quarantine for 14 days. Failing to do so is considered a second-degree misdemeanor, punishable by up to 60 days in jail and/or a $500 fine.
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LouderVol said:
And that last is an issue. Just because the government can give themselves the power to do something, doesnt make it right.

And I guess I never saw the stories on the other states arresting people. Contract tracing or even turning them away is not arresting.
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I know that in NY you could be charged with a misdemeanor if you broke quarantine. The result was typically a fine, and that's what it sounds like is the case in HI. How they went about enforcing that, I have no idea.
 
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bamawriter said:
I know that in NY you could be charged with a misdemeanor if you broke quarantine. The result was typically a fine, and that's what it sounds like is the case in HI. How they went about enforcing that, I have no idea.
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Never was enforced.
 
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LouderVol said:
Imo it does go beyond the borders of Hawaii. This is the local government making an arbitrary determination on the guilt of individuals and choosing to imprison them.
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How does it stretch beyond HI? If you don't want to show your records to the authorities or quarantine in HI, just don't go to HI. It's a foolproof method of avoiding the restrictions.
 
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Someone is planning to be there for two days. But here comes a 10 day quarantine enforced with the punishment of arrest. So suddenly they have to stay for 12 days, or they go to jail. Really not comfortable with states, or anyone, setting arbitrary requirements for travel.
 
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hog88 said:
Never was enforced.
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Apparently it was enforced at least once.

Maybe only once.

I will say that I think rules that restrict travel from a list of specific states could be problematic. Both NY and FL did this to one degree or another. Article IV isn't violated if all incoming persons are treated the same. But if you single out people from only certain other states, I'm not sure that should fly.
 
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#105,524
LouderVol said:
Someone is planning to be there for two days. But here comes a 10 day quarantine enforced with the punishment of arrest. So suddenly they have to stay for 12 days, or they go to jail. Really not comfortable with states, or anyone, setting arbitrary requirements for travel.
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That person has the option of showing a proof of vaccination or proof of a negative test.
 
#105,525
#105,525
LouderVol said:
Someone is planning to be there for two days. But here comes a 10 day quarantine enforced with the punishment of arrest. So suddenly they have to stay for 12 days, or they go to jail. Really not comfortable with states, or anyone, setting arbitrary requirements for travel.
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Eh, do what they want. Dollars will flow other directions.

Actually had Hawaii on my list in the next 2 years, prior to Covid. Not now. Will go somewhere else.
 
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