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[kiddiedoc]

The saddest thing to me is how easily people are manipulated into having the mentality of sheep and how apparant it is that the majority of men today have no balls.

Even more distressing is how people were so easily turned against anyone who disagreed by obvious propaganda. There were people calling for people to be locked up, stripped of their licenses or jobs, deprived of education, and children to be given the mRNA shots without parental consent.

Honestly, it was the first glimpse I've seen personally that demonstrates how totalitarian regimes can get people to commit such atrocities as Nazi Germany.

 

[McDad]

Even more distressing is how people were so easily turned against anyone who disagreed by obvious propaganda. There were people calling for people to be locked up, stripped of their licenses or jobs, deprived of education, and children to be given the mRNA shots without parental consent.

Honestly, it was the first glimpse I've seen personally that demonstrates how totalitarian regimes can get people to commit such atrocities as Nazi Germany.

Your closing sentence is unsettling. I hope there is a wide chasm between people motivated by fear of an invisible virus and people motivated by fear (or hate) of others. I don't know if the wide chasm exists when push comes to shove. If it doesn't, the right fear pushed by the right people at the right time would be disastrous for the home of the free.

 

[DC_Vol]

Your closing sentence is unsettling. I hope there is a wide chasm between people motivated by fear of an invisible virus and people motivated by fear (or hate) of others. I don't know if the wide chasm exists when push comes to shove. If it doesn't, the right fear pushed by the right people at the right time would be disastrous for the home of the free.

I think the fear was the motivator of the early adopters.

The thing to be scared of is herd mentality was the driver for the majority of those who came later.

Now you have those who have just dogmatically dug in. These are the ones you see here who rather than present a rational argument for their position jumps straight to ridicule: maga rube, conspiracy theorist, etc. These are people you can be certain could rationalize just about anything.

 

[hog88]

Your closing sentence is unsettling. I hope there is a wide chasm between people motivated by fear of an invisible virus and people motivated by fear (or hate) of others. I don't know if the wide chasm exists when push comes to shove. If it doesn't, the right fear pushed by the right people at the right time would be disastrous for the home of the free.

The hate in during the late 30s early 40s in Germany was born out of politicians manipulating the fear people had of the Jews. Fear is a politicians best friend.

 

[McDad]

I think the fear was the motivator of the early adopters.

The thing to be scared of is herd mentality was the driver for the majority of those who came later.

Now you have those who have just dogmatically dug in. These are the ones you see here who rather than present a rational argument for their position jumps straight to ridicule: maga rube, conspiracy theorist, etc. These are people you can be certain could rationalize just about anything.

I really like your perspective of "dogmatically dug in". It perfectly describes those who started fearful but maintained their emotional state for years.

 

[McDad]

The hate in during the late 30s early 40s in Germany was born out of politicians manipulating the fear people had of the Jews. Fear is a politicians best friend.

Understood and agree.

But I bet you if a viable sample size of Americans were polled, the vast majority would say our society is smarter and more rational than 1930s Germans.

 

[clarksvol00]

Even more distressing is how people were so easily turned against anyone who disagreed by obvious propaganda. There were people calling for people to be locked up, stripped of their licenses or jobs, deprived of education, and children to be given the mRNA shots without parental consent.

Honestly, it was the first glimpse I've seen personally that demonstrates how totalitarian regimes can get people to commit such atrocities as Nazi Germany.

Just for the record, it appears that people who can't stop talking about covid also can't stop talking about Nazis. Here we go again.

 

[McDad]

Just for the record, it appears that people who can't stop talking about covid also can't stop talking about Nazis. Here we go again.

would it be more palatable as a discussion if we discussed other genocides instead?

We can use:
Northern Iraq and Syria
Darfur
Rwanda
China.

 

[clarksvol00]

would it be more palatable as a discussion if we discussed other genocides instead?

We can use:
Northern Iraq and Syria
Darfur
Rwanda
China.

The covid mess was a debacle. It was not a genocide. (some people in the vax thread may disagree with me).

 

[hog88]

Understood and agree.

But I bet you if a viable sample size of Americans were polled, the vast majority would say our society is smarter and more rational than 1930s Germans.

I have no doubt that is what they would say but recent actions prove they are wrong.

 

[McDad]

The covid mess was a debacle. It was not a genocide. (some people in the vax thread may disagree with me).

You're right. It wasn't a genocide. I don't see anyone saying it was.

You are capable of discussing two or more events which are not identical but may share some common attributes. The references to areas of genocide are about the fear becoming irrational based on propaganda and how mobs of people are sucked into the dynamic.

 

[85SugarVol]

Even more distressing is how people were so easily turned against anyone who disagreed by obvious propaganda. There were people calling for people to be locked up, stripped of their licenses or jobs, deprived of education, and children to be given the mRNA shots without parental consent.

Honestly, it was the first glimpse I've seen personally that demonstrates how totalitarian regimes can get people to commit such atrocities as Nazi Germany.

We don’t need to continually jump to Germany. Or even totalitarian regimes.

Look what happened here, on US soil, when fear of Japanese Americans spread like wildfire.

We rounded them up and put them in camps. F@€king camps.

Fear and hysteria run riot.

 

[clarksvol00]

You're right. It wasn't a genocide. I don't see anyone saying it was.

You are capable of discussing two or more events which are not identical but may share some common attributes. The references to areas of genocide are about the fear becoming irrational based on propaganda and how mobs of people are sucked into the dynamic.

I'll expand on a comment a made the other day. When I first started posting, nazi comparisons were the third rail. Somebody would compare Trump to a nazi, everybody would lose their mind, and start screaming "godwins law, you've already lost the argument." That has completely gone away and now the covid discussion not only includes hyperbole, like speculating that we are on the brink of descent into a fascist nazi regime, but also includes actual conspiracy theories that nazis have embedded themselves in the government over 70 years and covid is part of their plot.

Edit: Then when somebody bothers to call out even the most outlandish conspiracy theories, they are questioned for even having the gall to post about it.

 

[hog88]

The covid mess was a debacle. It was not a genocide. (some people in the vax thread may disagree with me).

The Nazis didn't enact the "final solution" until sometime in 1942 yet the Nuremburg laws went into effect in 1935.

 

[85SugarVol]

I'll expand on a comment a made the other day. When I first started posting, nazi comparisons were the third rail. Somebody would compare Trump to a nazi, everybody would lose their mind, and start screaming "godwins law, you've already lost the argument." That has completely gone away and now the covid discussion not only includes hyperbole, like speculating that we are on the brink of descent into a fascist nazi regime, but also includes actual conspiracy theories that nazis have embedded themselves in the government over 70 years and covid is part of their plot.

Edit: Then when somebody bothers to call out even the most outlandish conspiracy theories, they are questioned for even having the gall to post about it.

That was a couple of colorful posters in the Vax thread.

Are we going to now dismiss any critique of the Covid response, and the subsequent vilification of the un-vaccinated because somebody said something crazy?

 

[clarksvol00]

That was a couple of colorful posters in the Vax thread.

Are we going to now dismiss any critique of the Covid response, and the subsequent vilification of the un-vaccinated because somebody said something crazy?

No. I think the covid response was a debacle, but reasonable minds can differ on its lasting impact. I don't understand the fixation with the references to the Germans.

 

[hog88]

No. I think the covid response was a debacle, but reasonable minds can differ on its lasting impact. I don't understand the fixation with the references to the Germans.

Ok, take the Germans and Nazis out of the conversation and the pandemic response was still an exercise in authoritarianism and brain washing.

 

[clarksvol00]

Ok, take the Germans and Nazis out of the conversation and the pandemic response was still an exercise in authoritarianism and brain washing.

You're entitled to that opinion just as I'm entitled to the opinion that comparisons to the Germans are nothing more than fear mongering.

 

[hog88]

You're entitled to that opinion just as I'm entitled to the opinion that comparisons to the Germans are nothing more than fear mongering.

Ok, I will agree with you that comparisons to Nazis is fear mongering just as "shot or vent" and "you're killing grandma" was fear mongering.

 

[85SugarVol]

No. I think the covid response was a debacle, but reasonable minds can differ on its lasting impact. I don't understand the fixation with the references to the Germans.

I agree. No reason to keep jumping to Germany. I’ve already said as much -

We don’t need to continually jump to Germany. Or even totalitarian regimes.

Look what happened here, on US soil, when fear of Japanese Americans spread like wildfire.

We rounded them up and put them in camps. F@€king camps.

Fear and hysteria run riot.

Fear and a desire to maintain public safety.

 

[clarksvol00]

Ok, I will agree with you that comparisons to Nazis is fear mongering just as "shot or vent" and "you're killing grandma" was fear mongering.

Fair enough.

 

[McDad]

I'll expand on a comment a made the other day. When I first started posting, nazi comparisons were the third rail. Somebody would compare Trump to a nazi, everybody would lose their mind, and start screaming "godwins law, you've already lost the argument." That has completely gone away and now the covid discussion not only includes hyperbole, like speculating that we are on the brink of descent into a fascist nazi regime, but also includes actual conspiracy theories that nazis have embedded themselves in the government over 70 years and covid is part of their plot.

Edit: Then when somebody bothers to call out even the most outlandish conspiracy theories, they are questioned for even having the gall to post about it.

I, too, go to battle over conspiracy theories. But only when the poster has shown they are willing to consider the alternative. Not all discussions are equal. Not all posters are equal. You can paint comparisons by me and others with the broad brush from other debates. I don't fault you for that.
I don't see this discussion as the same.
I am not comparing any leader (trump, fauci, biden) to nazis. I am comparing how fear as a tool of propaganda was effective with mob mentality with the nazis and we saw some similarities in 2020+ america.

 

[85SugarVol]

Ok, I will agree with you that comparisons to Nazis is fear mongering just as "shot or vent" and "you're killing grandma" was fear mongering.

“The unvaccinated are the problem”
“The unvaccinated have no place in civil society”

Those are very real, very dangerous sentiments that were widespread during the worst days of the Covid debacle.

The politicians were saying it.
The medical professionals were saying it.
The media was saying it.

And we had millions of Americans in agreement.

 

[McDad]

We don’t need to continually jump to Germany. Or even totalitarian regimes.

Look what happened here, on US soil, when fear of Japanese Americans spread like wildfire.
We rounded them up and put them in camps. F@€king camps.

Fear and hysteria run riot.

A valid and disturbing comparison. Fear magnified from political leaders is dangerous.

 

[volinbham]

SIAP - is anyone surprised that this is what we get?

Biden's new CDC director laughed off COVID lockdowns