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[hndog609]

further, the government creates the perverse incentives - why be accountable for your own health when there are no discernable financial costs? no social costs? instead you are told you are a victim

imagine if we had the universal healthcare that some in the government dream of? the individual would be completely separated from any costs associated with their behavior. the open bar model encourages getting hammered; the cash bar model the opposite.

Oh yeah, we've got obesity not having anything (or at least very little) to do with lifestyle going all the way to team Biden.

Physician who claimed obesity can’t be treated with diet and exercise joins Biden administration

A physician who came under fire for comments claiming that obesity is more of genetics than lifestyle in a “60 Minutes” interview earlier this month is now a member of the Biden USDA&#8…

nypost.com

 

[PKT_VOL]

Oh yeah, we've got obesity not having anything (or at least very little) to do with lifestyle going all the way to team Biden.

Physician who claimed obesity can’t be treated with diet and exercise joins Biden administration

A physician who came under fire for comments claiming that obesity is more of genetics than lifestyle in a “60 Minutes” interview earlier this month is now a member of the Biden USDA&#8…

nypost.com

Yet, politicians, life-long government employees, and sycophant journalists will act shocked and dismayed that the American public has lost all faith in them. You can only gaslight a society for so long before people just tune you out.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

No. There have been plenty of real pandemics in the past and will be more in the future.

The biggest problem is how unhealthy we are as society and our demographic shift towards becoming more elderly. The pathetic part is we don't want to acknowledge the elephant in the room.

When COVID hit NYC and it was talking black/brown people to the woodshed, nobody wanted to acknowledge their genetic vulnerability to viruses; especially in winter and living in large city of higher latitude. Instead of throwing Vitamin D (to make up for their genetic vulnerability), Vitamin C, and Zinc at them for free and encouraging healthy lifestyles, we went down a draconian path we knew wouldn't work from a epidemiology standpoint, wrecked small business, wrecked our monetary policy, and broke the back of our public schools.

Our inability to have tough, nuanced conversations is killing us figuratively and during COVID, literally.

Or... our decisions were simply driven by profits for Big Pharma. More ventilators. More vaccines. More boosters. More Paxlovid. More "long Covid" patients that will require neverending treatment...

It is a good business model.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Absolutely agree.

Politically, we are heading towards universal healthcare while maintaining our rugged American individual freedom to do whatever we want. That's going to be an abject disaster. The only shot we have of having a functional universal healthcare system is to tax the **** out of unwanted behaviors; sin tax junk food into oblivion, tax weight by the pound (over a healthy weight), tax breaks for exercise/healthy weight.

The other part of the equation is the difference in healthcare iron triangles between the US and Western Europe/Canada. We have access and quality while sacrificing cost. They have quality and cost while sacrificing access (although some systems could be characterized as having cost and access while sacrificing quality). We each covet the characteristic the other has. The problem is that we have a much higher inflated/artificial demand due to how unhealthy we are. Ultimately, that excess demand will destroy any iron triangle we choose.

Paragraph one: great idea, but total pipe dream. It doesn't help that many of our politicians and their monetary supporters are lazy fat asses.

Paragraph two: you're dead-on, in the "triangle" description. One of the biggest problems, however, is that "cost" is not REALLY ever addressed by traditional models. Much of the expense is driven by corporate greed, waste, pharma $, etc. Honestly, the most fair systems I have seen are the Concierge models. Private surgical centers and even primary care practices are able to save 50-75% when they cut out all the bloat. The problems are that a) much of our population lives off the government teat, b) most people are wasteful and have no idea how to budget for medical expenses without just mindlessly throwing money to a monthly insurance premium, and c) you almost HAVE to have some type of catastrophic coverage in the case of emergency major surgery, severe illness like cancer, etc.

As to other countries, I have discussed the Sweedish model at length with a good friend throughout the CV19 pandemic. Access to expensive procedures there is so difficult that many people actually just fly to the US and pay out of pocket.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Oh yeah, we've got obesity not having anything (or at least very little) to do with lifestyle going all the way to team Biden.

Physician who claimed obesity can’t be treated with diet and exercise joins Biden administration

A physician who came under fire for comments claiming that obesity is more of genetics than lifestyle in a “60 Minutes” interview earlier this month is now a member of the Biden USDA&#8…

nypost.com

Ding ding! Solid example of why the government is absolutely the last entity that should be trusted to "fix the system." It’s the same moronic take as those pushing the Green Energy ideas: state a problem and then give absolutely zero actionable, effective strategies to actually address the issue.

 

[Orangeslice13]

No. There have been plenty of real pandemics in the past and will be more in the future.

The biggest problem is how unhealthy we are as society and our demographic shift towards becoming more elderly. The pathetic part is we don't want to acknowledge the elephant in the room.

When COVID hit NYC and it was talking black/brown people to the woodshed, nobody wanted to acknowledge their genetic vulnerability to viruses; especially in winter and living in large city of higher latitude. Instead of throwing Vitamin D (to make up for their genetic vulnerability), Vitamin C, and Zinc at them for free and encouraging healthy lifestyles, we went down a draconian path we knew wouldn't work from a epidemiology standpoint, wrecked small business, wrecked our monetary policy, and broke the back of our public schools.

Our inability to have tough, nuanced conversations is killing us figuratively and during COVID, literally.

And add to it the “boy who cried wolf “ scenario.
This was extremely dangerous for the elderly and unhealthy.
Beyond that it was the flu. Political leaders never let a crisis go to waste and they used it for their political gain. They were caught lying about it too many times to count driving an already fragile trust to a legitimate distrust. When something “real” comes along, and it will, an untold number of people will die because of that distrust.

But you’re absolutely correct. A healthy lifestyle is the best defense mechanism we can employ.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Ding ding! Solid example of why the government is absolutely the last entity that should be trusted to "fix the system." It’s the same moronic take as those pushing the Green Energy ideas: state a problem and then give absolutely zero actionable, effective strategies to actually address the issue.

The green energy push is a perfect example. Their fixes actually make the problem worse.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Ding ding! Solid example of why the government is absolutely the last entity that should be trusted to "fix the system." It’s the same moronic take as those pushing the Green Energy ideas: state a problem and then give absolutely zero actionable, effective strategies to actually address the issue.

Yep. Unfunded mandates to mind.

 

[just bob]

The green energy push is a perfect example. Their fixes actually make the problem worse.

The worst part is that it's designed that way.

 

[hUTch2002]

Everyone has to do what they think is best, I just don't understand why people get tested. Does it make a difference in what you would do if it was just a bad cold vs Covid?

Exactly! I don’t get it either. I also don’t get rushing to the doctor as soon as you’re sick, not for most people any way. Generally speaking, they will just treat your symptoms. Back to your original point though, a few weeks back I was sicker than I’ve been in years. I didn’t test for Covid as my behavior wouldn’t have changed based on that test.

 

[CagleMtnVol]

 

[VOLS INC.]

Everyone has to do what they think is best, I just don't understand why people get tested. Does it make a difference in what you would do if it was just a bad cold vs Covid?

Because if they get tested and it’s positive they can go to their social media pages and proudly state: Today I tested positive for COVID-19. My symptoms as of now are mild. I will quarantine and take all precautions. I’m so thankful for the Vaccine. I encourage you all to get your booster shots and mask up when necessary”


For a deranged leftist (pardon the redundancy) typing and sending that post…. that’s the dream!!!

 

[PKT_VOL]

Or... our decisions were simply driven by profits for Big Pharma. More ventilators. More vaccines. More boosters. More Paxlovid. More "long Covid" patients that will require neverending treatment...

It is a good business model.

Not that simple.

While pharmaceutical industry has complicity, their tentacles can only go so far without an unhealthy population, a lack of critical thinking among the populace, a lack of investigative journalists, opportunistic politicians, etc. In short, it was a confluence of factors aided by a sick, decrepit, and enervated society.

 

[PKT_VOL]

Paragraph one: great idea, but total pipe dream. It doesn't help that many of our politicians and their monetary supporters are lazy fat asses.

It's a pipe dream now. However, given the emerging health trends, reversal of body positivity, semaglutide success, and the sheer math problem if/when we adopt universal healthcare, it might not say a pipe dream in the future.

Paragraph two: you're dead-on, in the "triangle" description. One of the biggest problems, however, is that "cost" is not REALLY ever addressed by traditional models. Much of the expense is driven by corporate greed, waste, pharma $, etc. Honestly, the most fair systems I have seen are the Concierge models. Private surgical centers and even primary care practices are able to save 50-75% when they cut out all the bloat. The problems are that a) much of our population lives off the government teat, b) most people are wasteful and have no idea how to budget for medical expenses without just mindlessly throwing money to a monthly insurance premium, and c) you almost HAVE to have some type of catastrophic coverage in the case of emergency major surgery, severe illness like cancer, etc.

I think eventually we will settle on model similar to Switzerland where there is a public universal model for common illnesses/treatments and private catastrophic insurance.

Education and healthcare mirror each other. When you look graphs of spending per pupil/patient and corresponding graphs or layovers of admin hires in those fields it is staggering. In other words, our amount of spending increases but increased cash flow is going towards useless middle men vs the doctors/nurses/teachers/medicine. It is a reflection of government "solutions" making the problem worse.

To your point, even if we adopt universal healthcare, I expect free market and Concierge models to increase in popularity. The biggest drawback is emergency healthcare will still be outside of those models.

 

[volinbham]

I know it's paywalled but this editorial has a good reminder of all the times the experts told us Trump was moving to fast on the vaccine and that it might be dangerous - totally changed their story a few months later.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/avian-flu-and-the-experts-who-cried-wolf-vaccine-7250d511?mod=opinion_lead_pos9

 

[Orangeburst]

Just remember this libs, this COVID response was not an outlier of how gov operates and responds to anything..total cluster **** of ineptness, no accountability, incorrect solutions that exasperate a crisis, cost a fortune, and sprinkled in with a power grab.

But hey..lets let them rule even more over us..for our own good.

 

[Orangeburst]

The Great COVID Cover-up: Shocking truth about Wuhan and 15 federal agencies

Here's what my investigation has recently discovered regarding government officials from 15 federal agencies and what they knew about the Wuhan Institute of Virology in 2018.

www.foxnews.com

why exactly did we even accept solicitations from the CCP for funding?
just on surface, this is downright disturbing, and not a huge leap to downright traitorous.

and they got away with it. so much for lawful accountability for the Crime of the Millenia.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

The Great COVID Cover-up: Shocking truth about Wuhan and 15 federal agencies

Here's what my investigation has recently discovered regarding government officials from 15 federal agencies and what they knew about the Wuhan Institute of Virology in 2018.

www.foxnews.com

why exactly did we even accept solicitations from the CCP for funding?
just on surface, this is downright disturbing, and not a huge leap to downright traitorous.

and they got away with it. so much for lawful accountability for the Crime of the Millenia.

It reeked from the start.

 

[Vol737]

The Great COVID Cover-up: Shocking truth about Wuhan and 15 federal agencies

Here's what my investigation has recently discovered regarding government officials from 15 federal agencies and what they knew about the Wuhan Institute of Virology in 2018.

www.foxnews.com

why exactly did we even accept solicitations from the CCP for funding?
just on surface, this is downright disturbing, and not a huge leap to downright traitorous.

and they got away with it. so much for lawful accountability for the Crime of the Millenia.

This whole thing falls under the “Fool me once…” category. They try to start this up again, the pushback will be epic from the start. All the trust and goodwill is gone with these govt agencies.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Oh yeah, we've got obesity not having anything (or at least very little) to do with lifestyle going all the way to team Biden.

Physician who claimed obesity can’t be treated with diet and exercise joins Biden administration

A physician who came under fire for comments claiming that obesity is more of genetics than lifestyle in a “60 Minutes” interview earlier this month is now a member of the Biden USDA&#8…

nypost.com

We do see obesity in the same families, it is more a learned behavior with eating habits.

 

[hndog609]

We do see obesity in the same families, it is more a learned behavior with eating habits.

Oh sure, if you grow up eating nothing but deep fried sugar rolled fat with cream filling and washing it down with soda while thinking vegetables are the devil's work I think we can make some pretty good health predictions. What that nutcase was selling is basically "How you live actually doesn't have much bearing on obesity.". That's utter nonsense. That's not to say some aren't more metabolically challenged than others but c'mon.

 

[Sea Ray]

We do see obesity in the same families, it is more a learned behavior with eating habits.

I agree. Type 2 diabetes runs in my family but so does poor eating habits and obesity

 

[ButchPlz]

Oh sure, if you grow up eating nothing but deep fried sugar rolled fat with cream filling and washing it down with soda while thinking vegetables are the devil's work I think we can make some pretty good health predictions. What that nutcase was selling is basically "How you live actually doesn't have much bearing on obesity.". That's utter nonsense. That's not to say some aren't more metabolically challenged than others but c'mon.

I can just imagine these "experts" looking at the guy I used to work with that drank a 12-pack of Dew a day and telling him his obesity has nothing to do with his diet.

 

[hndog609]

I can just imagine these "experts" looking at the guy I used to work with that drank a 12-pack of Dew a day and telling him his obesity has nothing to do with his diet.

Not to mention who knows how many examples there are of people doing crazy things, like changing their lifestyle, that shed lots of weight. John Goodman, Adele & Drew Carey come to mind. Chris Pratt went from paunchy to action hero. And those are famous people, nevermind all the manymanymanymany regular people.

 

[PKT_VOL]

I would argue regular vigorous exercise is more important than diet.