LB Beasley Under Investigation

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Wasn’t it saban that stated it did more good to try to work and keep the kids with the program when they screwed up..... how many championships has he won? Heupel is handling it just fine.

Saban has been known to dismiss and give a second chance, Pettway comes to mind, but Heupel is showing no signs of a firm grip on the situation by simply suspending them for weeks and being mum.

 

[volbeast33]

Saban has been known to dismiss and give a second chance, Pettway comes to mind, but Heupel is showing no signs of a firm grip on the situation by simply suspending them for weeks and being mum.

That is a perfect example of saban s discipline....... he kicked off the three guys that sucked..... sent pettway to juco for a year and brought him back. Saban does not kick off anyone that he feels can help him win unless he has too.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

That is a perfect example of saban s discipline....... he kicked off the three guys that sucked..... sent pettway to juco for a year and brought him back. Saban does not kick off anyone that he feels can help him win unless he has too.

Precisely. And he shuts the press and speculation down by getting it done and getting out in front of it.

What have we got? Misdemeanors dragging on for a month with almost no comment. It's not like we're waiting for film/photo analysis from Quantico or something........ get out in front of the press, tell them your decision, and move on. Let people disagree, and they will.... I probably will, and when I get my own program, I can do it differently. This program belongs to Heupel and Co. Make the decisions.

I'd rather have a leader I disagree with than a mute at wheel.

 

[m1al]

By getting it out in a pressor, Heupel CAN get it off the radar. "I've already covered that with you guys and there's no point in bringing it up." The media has nothing after that.

I don't buy Mulligans because what works and what's needed is what we agree on: Here's the line, here's the punishment. The line doesn't bend and neither does the punishment........And let's get on with the play schemes we've been talking about......

Be firm. Don't give the problem any more oxygen to burn than it's already gotten. Address it clearly. And create a football program that's disciplined.

This is the SEC. Crap is going to come up. Don't avoid it. Don't ignore it. Don't coddle it. Address it and make the media STFU because you addressed it.

Even moreso in the team meetings and with much more emphasis and colorful language.

Heupel is going to be eaten by SEC press if he continues this passive demeanor. You're a freaking SEC Head Coach....... LEAD like one.

So basically you're saying, "Do it the way I think you should, or you're doing it wrong."

Got it...

 

[volbeast33]

Precisely. And he shuts the press and speculation down by getting it done and getting out in front of it.

What have we got? Misdemeanors dragging on for a month with almost no comment. It's not like we're waiting for film/photo analysis from Quantico or something........ get out in front of the press, tell them your decision, and move on. Let people disagree, and they will.... I probably will, and when I get my own program, I can do it differently. This program belongs to Heupel and Co. Make the decisions.

I'd rather have a leader I disagree with than a mute at wheel.

he has not gotten it out of the press.... He got pissed at them and said that he knows they want him to kick players off but the best thing to do is to keep them on campus where they can get the help they need. The Alabama media is also no where near as anti- football team as our local media..... A real leader doesn’t give a sh$t about the media, speculation, or your opinion.

 

[butchna]

So basically you're saying, "Do it the way I think you should, or you're doing it wrong."

Got it...

The world according to me! Know it...implement it!

- sayUWantAreVOLution prolly

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

The world according to me! Know it...implement it!

- sayUWantAreVOLution prolly

You guys ignore where I CLEARLY say do it his way and when I get a program, I'll do it my way.

Doing nothing isn't not doing it my way. It's doing nothing. He had no choice but to suspend them. ANY brain dead coach could do that.

What he does past that matters. His comments have been: they're under suspension. Period. Nothing else. Now, a month in..... with nothing but misdemeanor citations apparently, still nothing. Nada. We're not waiting on indictments here. We're not waiting on DNA to come back. We're waiting on some idea when these guys are going to take reps, if they are, and some idea of when the program can stop having this hang over it.

We're waiting on something other than nothing.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

he has not gotten it out of the press.... He got pissed at them and said that he knows they want him to kick players off but the best thing to do is to keep them on campus where they can get the help they need. The Alabama media is also no where near as anti- football team as our local media..... A real leader doesn’t give a sh$t about the media, speculation, or your opinion.

You're wrong. A leader controls the narrative in the press. The press is another tool in the shed for a leader who can control it. If the past 4+ years have shown us anything, it's that the press is secondary to strong leadership.

Heupel isn't forceful enough. We've seen a dumba$$ leader who couldn't even identify vegetables nor perform the under the table elements needed successfully. We've seen a rah-rah coach who couldn't recruit at the middle school level.

Forgive me if I'd prefer strong, decisive leadership for a change..... whether I agree with it or not.

 

[LittleVol]

You're wrong. A leader controls the narrative in the press. The press is another tool in the shed for a leader who can control it. If the past 4+ years have shown us anything, it's that the press is secondary to strong leadership.

Heupel isn't forceful enough. We've seen a dumba$$ leader who couldn't even identify vegetables nor perform the under the table elements needed successfully. We've seen a rah-rah coach who couldn't recruit at the middle school level.

Forgive me if I'd prefer strong, decisive leadership for a change..... whether I agree with it or not.

I think most people want what you describe in that type of coach for their program.
But what I don't understand is how you have already determined that Huepel ain't that with the circumstances at hand.
There's literally nothing, yet. Yet somehow in your logic, there is...
And i'm not one of these fans ALREADY praising Coach Huepel, ad being the "man" and a real coach. I'm still in wait and see mode with him. Because there simply isn't enough evidence of track record to determine how strong a leader or effective coach he is...

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I think most people want what you describe in that type of coach for their program.
But what I don't understand is how you have already determined that Huepel ain't that with the circumstances at hand.
There's literally nothing, yet. Yet somehow in your logic, there is...
And i'm not one of these fans ALREADY praising Coach Huepel, ad being the "man" and a real coach. I'm still in wait and see mode with him. Because there simply isn't enough evidence of track record to determine how strong a leader or effective coach he is...

Here's his chance. Misdemeanors. Apparently that's all the weed situation is going to be (whether that's all that happened..... I dunno..... but that's all we've seen charged for a month now.)

Here's his chance. "I've talked with the players. I've talked with UTPD. I've talked with the team. I've talked with admin....... and here's what I've decided. We're going to _______"

Answer questions about your decision and move on. LEAD. It's his chance to lead.

Certainly I hope these are the worst bonehead things Heupel ever faces at UT but I doubt it. It's only going to get harder. If it takes a month to give a clear decision about misdemeanors, God forbid a kid ever REALLY screws up.

 

[butchna]

Blah blah blah blah...background noise!

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Yet you respond like the useless, nothing to add troll you are. Block me. As I will you.

 

[butchna]

Yet you respond like the useless, nothing to add troll you are. Block me. As I will you.

You first...you born leader of men, you.

 

[volbeast33]

You're wrong. A leader controls the narrative in the press. The press is another tool in the shed for a leader who can control it. If the past 4+ years have shown us anything, it's that the press is secondary to strong leadership.

Heupel isn't forceful enough. We've seen a dumba$$ leader who couldn't even identify vegetables nor perform the under the table elements needed successfully. We've seen a rah-rah coach who couldn't recruit at the middle school level.

Forgive me if I'd prefer strong, decisive leadership for a change..... whether I agree with it or not.

You are wrong..... I am a leader..... I run a department and my building is always number one or two in all of the buildings in my company is bc I am able to prioritize what is important....The media and press is way down his list of priorities.
1. He has to win games
2. He has to secure talent..... cutting people lowers the talent level
3. He has to show the players he has their back.....support them in good and bad times.... cutting them without letting due process run is not supporting the family
4. The media and energizing the fans come in around number four..... Danny White can help with this one but not to the detriment of the first three.....
5. Knowing about vegetables does not even make the list of priorities.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

You are wrong..... I am a leader..... I run a department and my building is always number one or two in all of the buildings in my company is bc I am able to prioritize what is important....The media and press is way down his list of priorities.
1. He has to win games
2. He has to secure talent..... cutting people lowers the talent level
3. He has to show the players he has their back.....support them in good and bad times.... cutting them without letting due process run is not supporting the family
4. The media and energizing the fans come in around number four..... Danny White can help with this one but not to the detriment of the first three.....
5. Knowing about vegetables does not even make the list of priorities.

Heupel is new to TN and the SEC which is a level of scrutiny and expectation he's never seen before.

As the "new guy" in town, he's going to need to establish relationships and boundaries with a lot of people. First, the players, as you say.... who need to know he's fair, decisive, and capable.

Misdemeanors. "We're still waiting to get the information......." WTF? It's not like there's "37 8 by 10 color glossies with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one..." There's assuredly not a freaking team of detectives and prosecutors sweating out clues about some weed dealer getting punked. C'mon. If he's waiting on Knox Cty to fine/dismiss, just stop the questions: "When they've handled themselves with respect to the citation and assured myself and their teammates that they've learned from this incident, I'll be looking forward to their return."

Or dismiss them now.

Is this so hard? End of incident. "I've given you the timeline and that's all I have to say. Everything else going forward is between the team and those players and geared toward the team coming together to help each other avoid further distractions."

 

[volbeast33]

Heupel is new to TN and the SEC which is a level of scrutiny and expectation he's never seen before.

As the "new guy" in town, he's going to need to establish relationships and boundaries with a lot of people. First, the players, as you say.... who need to know he's fair, decisive, and capable.

Misdemeanors. "We're still waiting to get the information......." WTF? It's not like there's "37 8 by 10 color glossies with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one..." There's assuredly not a freaking team of detectives and prosecutors sweating out clues about some weed dealer getting punked. C'mon. If he's waiting on Knox Cty to fine/dismiss, just stop the questions: "When they've handled themselves with respect to the citation and assured myself and their teammates that they've learned from this incident, I'll be looking forward to their return."

Or dismiss them now.

Is this so hard? End of incident. "I've given you the timeline and that's all I have to say. Everything else going forward is between the team and those players and geared toward the team coming together to help each other avoid further distractions."

So you just want him to tell you exactly what steps he is taking.....he is just taking the approach of not giving on disciplinary actions..... he is wanting to keep the suspended players if able.... it just has to run its course.

 

[LittleVol]

Here's his chance. Misdemeanors. Apparently that's all the weed situation is going to be (whether that's all that happened..... I dunno..... but that's all we've seen charged for a month now.)

Here's his chance. "I've talked with the players. I've talked with UTPD. I've talked with the team. I've talked with admin....... and here's what I've decided. We're going to _______"

Answer questions about your decision and move on. LEAD. It's his chance to lead.

Certainly I hope these are the worst bonehead things Heupel ever faces at UT but I doubt it. It's only going to get harder. If it takes a month to give a clear decision about misdemeanors, God forbid a kid ever REALLY screws up.

There's all kinds of ways to show leadership...
Not reacting without all the available info.
Perhaps the misdemeanors were a mercy but Huepel knows it was more in reality and he's punishing them accordingly, yet can't be open about why because it contradicts the misdemeanor...? WE DON'T KNOW yet...

To this point he hasn't done or said anything Saban wouldn't have to this point. And Saban is the best leader.

So far he's been able to get the guys there to buy in it seems. THAT is a sign of good leadership. Why do you look past that?

 

[butchna]

Heupel is new to TN and the SEC which is a level of scrutiny and expectation he's never seen before.

As the "new guy" in town, he's going to need to establish relationships and boundaries with a lot of people. First, the players, as you say.... who need to know he's fair, decisive, and capable.

Misdemeanors. "We're still waiting to get the information......." WTF? It's not like there's "37 8 by 10 color glossies with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one..." There's assuredly not a freaking team of detectives and prosecutors sweating out clues about some weed dealer getting punked. C'mon. If he's waiting on Knox Cty to fine/dismiss, just stop the questions: "When they've handled themselves with respect to the citation and assured myself and their teammates that they've learned from this incident, I'll be looking forward to their return."

Or dismiss them now.

Is this so hard? End of incident. "I've given you the timeline and that's all I have to say. Everything else going forward is between the team and those players and geared toward the team coming together to help each other avoid further distractions."

“This is whut Imma gone do to em afore I know exactly whut they did! Leeroy Jenkins Leader by gawd...yeeehiii!”

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

There's all kinds of ways to show leadership...
Not reacting without all the available info.
Perhaps the misdemeanors were a mercy but Huepel knows it was more in reality and he's punishing them accordingly, yet can't be open about why because it contradicts the misdemeanor...? WE DON'T KNOW yet...

To this point he hasn't done or said anything Saban wouldn't have to this point. And Saban is the best leader.

So far he's been able to get the guys there to buy in it seems. THAT is a sign of good leadership. Why do you look past that?

Again, I'm not interested that WE know. I'm concerned if HE doesn't know. By now, if UTPD and KPD aren't on to things more serious than these young men...... either Knox County is the safest place since Mayberry or incompetence runs deep.

He knows, or should know, as much as anyone in Knoxville (other than the participants) about that evening. I'm not looking for him to tell the public: this and this and this happened. That's ridiculous.

I'm looking for him to make a decision and announce that decision and put the distraction behind the team. Nothing more. Nothing less. He can set a timeline and say something like, "They'll not participate in Spring Practice, but barring other issues or distractions, we'll welcome them back on xxx date. That's the last I'll have to say about this matter."

Further questions are met head on. "I've addressed that with y'all and we're moving forward as team to avoid more distractions."

Why leave it hanging? Why let it be a question at every dang press conference. Address it. Move past it. How can that not be better for the team?

IF..... big IF in my mind...... he's made it clear to the team that they're returning and there's been no anonymous leaks from a friend of a friend of a player, he's truly developing respect and team unity and we've found ourselves a coach.

I'm not anti Heupel at all. I'm concerned that a relatively minor issue, by SEC standards, seems to be slow to resolve.

 

[butchna]

Again, I'm not interested that WE know. I'm concerned if HE doesn't know. By now, if UTPD and KPD aren't on to things more serious than these young men...... either Knox County is the safest place since Mayberry or incompetence runs deep.

He knows, or should know, as much as anyone in Knoxville (other than the participants) about that evening. I'm not looking for him to tell the public: this and this and this happened. That's ridiculous.

I'm looking for him to make a decision and announce that decision and put the distraction behind the team. Nothing more. Nothing less. He can set a timeline and say something like, "They'll not participate in Spring Practice, but barring other issues or distractions, we'll welcome them back on xxx date. That's the last I'll have to say about this matter."

Further questions are met head on. "I've addressed that with y'all and we're moving forward as team to avoid more distractions."

Why leave it hanging? Why let it be a question at every dang press conference. Address it. Move past it. How can that not be better for the team?

IF..... big IF in my mind...... he's made it clear to the team that they're returning and there's been no anonymous leaks from a friend of a friend of a player, he's truly developing respect and team unity and we've found ourselves a coach.

I'm not anti Heupel at all. I'm concerned that a relatively minor issue, by SEC standards, seems to be slow to resolve.

Concerned blowhard.

 

[m1al]

Again, I'm not interested that WE know. I'm concerned if HE doesn't know. By now, if UTPD and KPD aren't on to things more serious than these young men...... either Knox County is the safest place since Mayberry or incompetence runs deep.

He knows, or should know, as much as anyone in Knoxville (other than the participants) about that evening. I'm not looking for him to tell the public: this and this and this happened. That's ridiculous.

I'm looking for him to make a decision and announce that decision and put the distraction behind the team. Nothing more. Nothing less. He can set a timeline and say something like, "They'll not participate in Spring Practice, but barring other issues or distractions, we'll welcome them back on xxx date. That's the last I'll have to say about this matter."

Further questions are met head on. "I've addressed that with y'all and we're moving forward as team to avoid more distractions."

Why leave it hanging? Why let it be a question at every dang press conference. Address it. Move past it. How can that not be better for the team?

IF..... big IF in my mind...... he's made it clear to the team that they're returning and there's been no anonymous leaks from a friend of a friend of a player, he's truly developing respect and team unity and we've found ourselves a coach.

I'm not anti Heupel at all. I'm concerned that a relatively minor issue, by SEC standards, seems to be slow to resolve.

Good Lord, give it a rest already...

 

[buckfama]

Again, I'm not interested that WE know. I'm concerned if HE doesn't know. By now, if UTPD and KPD aren't on to things more serious than these young men...... either Knox County is the safest place since Mayberry or incompetence runs deep.

He knows, or should know, as much as anyone in Knoxville (other than the participants) about that evening. I'm not looking for him to tell the public: this and this and this happened. That's ridiculous.

I'm looking for him to make a decision and announce that decision and put the distraction behind the team. Nothing more. Nothing less. He can set a timeline and say something like, "They'll not participate in Spring Practice, but barring other issues or distractions, we'll welcome them back on xxx date. That's the last I'll have to say about this matter."

Further questions are met head on. "I've addressed that with y'all and we're moving forward as team to avoid more distractions."

Why leave it hanging? Why let it be a question at every dang press conference. Address it. Move past it. How can that not be better for the team?

IF..... big IF in my mind...... he's made it clear to the team that they're returning and there's been no anonymous leaks from a friend of a friend of a player, he's truly developing respect and team unity and we've found ourselves a coach.

I'm not anti Heupel at all. I'm concerned that a relatively minor issue, by SEC standards, seems to be slow to resolve.

Do you worry about everything like this? How do you function?

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Do you worry about everything like this? How do you function?

Don't mistake intellectual curiosity for worry.

New coach, very tight lipped admin. For me, it's only natural to watch his behavior, or lack of behavior, with social issues to get a bead on his ability.

Watching his manner on the field and in pressers is common here, so I assumed watching his manner in these matters would be too.

 

[Volnatic]

I just want to be clear here. You guys understand that he also has to wait to see what the university’s student conduct board does to Beasley (and the weed foursome) before he can reinstate them, right? If his plan is to kick them off, yeah, he doesn’t have to wait at all...but that’s clearly not his preferred plan at this point. It’s not just a legal matter. The student conduct code in this case is a bigger deal than the criminal charges...

 

[eaglevol]

Volnatic, you speak a volume of truth there. Although we don't like to believe it, the University of Tennessee runs the football program, not the other way around.