"Leaked" Israeli Memo

#26
#26
marcusluvsvols said:
The God I serve has made it clear that they are his chosen people. That point is not really debatable without either discrediting the entire Bible or at least the Old Testament. Does that mean I agree with all of their foreign policy? No. Does it mean that I believe Jerusalem will never be destroyed before the return of Christ? Yes.
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If the Jews are his chosen people, then why aren't you a Jew?
 
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emainvol said:
If the Jews are his chosen people, then why aren't you a Jew?
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Because I believe they are confused. Jews and christians both believe that the old testament is Gods word and its commandments should be kept. Jews however deny the virgin birth of Christ and his Deity believing Him to be only a prophet. They are waiting for the messiah to come the first time while living under the "law of moses". Christians believe the old and new testaments, that the new supercedes the old, and that Jesus is the son of God. We are awaiting his second coming, as revelation foretells, and rely on the shed blood of Christ at calvary for our remission of sin. We believe that Christ perished so that any man who believes on Him and repents (turns away) from their sin can have eternal life in Heaven with Him.
 
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Ah ok nuff said on that was just curious

Onto the original intent of this post. I can't help but keep going "not sure if serious," as I can't imagine anything of that nature being leaked... the crap storm that would cause if there was even a shred of truth behind it would be enormous.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Because I believe they are confused. Jews and christians both believe that the old testament is Gods word and its commandments should be kept. Jews however deny the virgin birth of Christ and his Deity believing Him to be only a prophet. They are waiting for the messiah to come the first time while living under the "law of moses". Christians believe the old and new testaments, that the new supercedes the old, and that Jesus is the son of God. We are awaiting his second coming, as revelation foretells, and rely on the shed blood of Christ at calvary for our remission of sin. We believe that Christ perished so that any man who believes on Him and repents (turns away) from their sin can have eternal life in Heaven with Him.
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As a Christian, do you believe that the members of the Jewish Religion will go to heaven?
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
The God I serve has made it clear that they are his chosen people. That point is not really debatable without either discrediting the entire Bible or at least the Old Testament. Does that mean I agree with all of their foreign policy? No. Does it mean that I believe Jerusalem will never be destroyed before the return of Christ? Yes.
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Well said Marcus, completely agree!
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Because I believe they are confused. Jews and christians both believe that the old testament is Gods word and its commandments should be kept. Jews however deny the virgin birth of Christ and his Deity believing Him to be only a prophet. They are waiting for the messiah to come the first time while living under the "law of moses". Christians believe the old and new testaments, that the new supercedes the old, and that Jesus is the son of God. We are awaiting his second coming, as revelation foretells, and rely on the shed blood of Christ at calvary for our remission of sin. We believe that Christ perished so that any man who believes on Him and repents (turns away) from their sin can have eternal life in Heaven with Him.
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Gotta agree here as well! Stay true to the faith brother!
 
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Gramps said:
As a Christian, do you believe that the members of the Jewish Religion will go to heaven?
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Jesus clearly states that " I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father but by me." There are many other examples as well. The only way to get into Heaven is to accept Christ as your lord and savior. If I'm not mistaken, even Jews only believe that 144000 will ever enter Heaven under the old covenant from the old testament. So, no I do not believe jews are going to Heaven unless they repent. When Christ came, the law of Moses requiring animal sacrifice to cover sins was made void. Christ is the only way to Heaven. Period. I don't force my beliefs on anyone, but if you ask me I will tell you. Nor do I think that I am in any way superior to unbelievers. I am a sinner. A sinner who knows the Truth. The only good in me is that of the Holy Spirit, which dwells in my heart.
 
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#46
Ugh. That's the last thing we need right now; religion tossed into a potentially explosive global conflict. Let's make this as secular as possible. It will save many more lives that way.
 
#47
#47
I agree. Though the basis for this entire conflict, as it has always been; is religion. The second holiest place to muslims is in jerusalem. The holiest place on the planet to jews is in jerusalem. Same goes for Christians. The muslims want to reclaim jerusalem and "wipe the jews off the map" that is a direct quote from Irans ruler. Israel is armed to the teeth, and will not allow a country which openly plots their demise to get nukes. Israel will hammer them, the real question is what happens with Egypt? We have propped Egypt up with billions of dollars in aid and worked to establish a democracy. The public voted and elected a member of the "brotherhood" who supports sharia law and wants very much to see Israel destroyed. Will we continue to send them aid as they plot against our greatest ally? Will Egypt use their f15's f16's etc. That we have sold them to attack Israel? I don't worry too much about this bc the Bible told me how it all ends. Its going to be interesting though. Anyone remember what happened the last time arab countries got together and attacked Israel? They were completely surrounded and yet hammered all the arabs into submission. Can't defeat a country when God is on their side.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
I agree. Though the basis for this entire conflict, as it has always been; is religion. The second holiest place to muslims is in jerusalem. The holiest place on the planet to jews is in jerusalem. Same goes for Christians. The muslims want to reclaim jerusalem and "wipe the jews off the map" that is a direct quote from Irans ruler. Israel is armed to the teeth, and will not allow a country which openly plots their demise to get nukes. Israel will hammer them, the real question is what happens with Egypt? We have propped Egypt up with billions of dollars in aid and worked to establish a democracy. The public voted and elected a member of the "brotherhood" who supports sharia law and wants very much to see Israel destroyed. Will we continue to send them aid as they plot against our greatest ally? Will Egypt use their f15's f16's etc. That we have sold them to attack Israel? I don't worry too much about this bc the Bible told me how it all ends. Its going to be interesting though. Anyone remember what happened the last time arab countries got together and attacked Israel? They were completely surrounded and yet hammered all the arabs into submission. Can't defeat a country when God is on their side.
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It is not all about religion. It is geopolitical. Religion is just used as a catalyst for those behind the scenes to accomplish their goals.

Jerusalem is not the second holiest place for Islam.

Muslims do not want to "wipe the jews off the map." Only Iran's political leader.

Using the Bible as the source of knowing for a fact how the future is determined is looney toons crazy.

Thinking God cares at all about these futile skirmishes among humans is absurd. Thinking God "is on their side" is even more crazy.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
It is not all about religion. It is geopolitical. Religion is just used as a catalyst for those behind the scenes to accomplish their goals.

Jerusalem is not the second holiest place for Islam.

Muslims do not want to "wipe the jews off the map." Only Iran's political leader.

Using the Bible as the source of knowing for a fact how the future is determined is looney toons crazy.

Thinking God cares at all about these futile skirmishes among humans is absurd. Thinking God "is on their side" is even more crazy.
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"Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom"-

"Lean not on your own understanding."

"A mans heart is wicked above all things."

You worship your God...in the mirror. Ill worship mine...don't suggest that I'm crazy or intellectually inferior because of my beliefs. I don't criticize you for not seeing things my way. I made that pretty clear in my posts. Thanks.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
"Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom"-

"Lean not on your own understanding."

"A mans heart is wicked above all things."

You worship your God...in the mirror. Ill worship mine...don't suggest that I'm crazy or intellectually inferior because of my beliefs. I don't criticize you for not seeing things my way. I made that pretty clear in my posts. Thanks.
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:eek:lol:

You should probably figure out my beliefs before you spout off like that.
 
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