Les Miles or the house?

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Will the coach(es) that replace Les Miles for the next 12 years surpass what he accomplished in the last 12?
 
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I kind of doubt they do as well overall. Especially if they do not get a "GREAT" coach on this first hire. Down there, just like post Fulmer here, there will be high expectations to win it all. They will be an impatient fan base. They just fired a coach who won a NC and had them playing for a second. That is pretty good. Very few coaches ever play for their first one. The only thing that will keep them from a big drop off, and they will never bottom out completely like we did, is just the sheer amount of HS talent in the state.
 
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LSU's Athletic Department is an absolute trainwreck and people underestimate just how much that has contributed to LSU's problems. Difficult to get top-quality assistants when the AD is completely unsupportive and untrusthworthy. That said, if LSU can lure Tom Herman in, maybe none of that matters. Of course, Les Miles was once "Tom Herman"; a highly sought after offensive innovator.
 
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Surpass? No. But I think they come close mainly just because of the in-state talent
 
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Freak said:
Will the coach(es) that replace Les Miles for the next 12 years surpass what he accomplished in the last 12?
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Les. No way LSU wins at the same rate as Miles with Coach O and then his replacement.

Over/under on number of LSU head coaches in the next 12 years?

I'd say 3.5
 
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Freak said:
Will the coach(es) that replace Les Miles for the next 12 years surpass what he accomplished in the last 12?
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I won't say surpass, but it could be equaled. It's not a tough place to win. It'll come down to someone who has the right mindset and the willingness to adjust when necessary.
 
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1st I doubt it because of the AD situation as others have cited. Next, IMO it'seems a 4 year rebuild/conversion to scheme regardless. Even if the next coach takes existing talent and does well like Sumlin did at A&M you are still looking at about 4-5 years for titles. Maybe 3 since they are in prime recruiting territory. There are only so many Saban's and Meyer's. Look at UF and UT.
 
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Depends on the hire. Unless they hire a Dooley level bad coach, LSU already has an insane amount of talent and they're the only power 5 school in a state with tons of SEC recruits. They could easily go on a historic run like Bama has eventually.
 
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The only question that is material to Les's firing is whether he could come close over the next 12 years of the success over the last 12 years. I would say the vast majority of the LSU fans would agree it was time and that Les was an issue.

I don't see LSU's program as a mess, its definitely time for a change at this time... of course, it could get messy record wise now. If LSU can hang on to this year's recruiting class than that will help the next class... Saban's last class was a disaster when he left. I think their success is up to the coaches and the players. LSU should be fine if they can get the right hire, La. is still probably the most talent rich State in the Union per capita, and all the facilities are top notch.

With that said, I am not saying what they will do as that is up to the players and the coaches. I can say the fans generally are positive about the move... its time to move forward whether or not the same success will be repeated. Time will tell, just my take.

The comments that the school doesn't support the coaches and program are kind of funny... its probably the highest paid coaches in the country and they get basically everything they request. Complete nonsense comments.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
LSU's Athletic Department is an absolute trainwreck and people underestimate just how much that has contributed to LSU's problems. Difficult to get top-quality assistants when the AD is completely unsupportive and untrusthworthy. That said, if LSU can lure Tom Herman in, maybe none of that matters. Of course, Les Miles was once "Tom Herman"; a highly sought after offensive innovator.
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You mentioned the AD and I think that's a very valid point. Its just a goofy situation, and one that I think a ton of coaches will think long and hard about before kicking the tires. I'm assuming LSU will help more than a few HCs get new deals.

They can make a decent hire, I don't doubt that. But I think the last several coaching searches at top tier schools have proven they rarely go to the obvious names (which is why LSU isn't doing itself any favors leaking some crazy names).

Ultimately, they need to make the right hire, not the splashy one. I'm interested to see what they do.
 
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LSU Job description:
1) LSU is searching for a coach to win every game, and make sure its a blowout. If you have Less than 10-11 wins a year, your fired. We expect wins over Nick Saban, Kevin Sumlin, Hugh Freeze, and Bret Bielema on an annual basis. This should be easy. A losing streak of any kind to any coaches will be a loss in contractual compensation.

2) LSU expects to win every recruit that is born in the state of Louisiana. This should be easy since Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, Texas A&M, and Ole Miss don't even try to recruit kids from this state.

3) Control and clean up the racist police department. Any Questions?

4) Louisiana is an amazing state to live in. The weather is spectacular, the people are normal, and it never rains or gives us any natural disasters. Who wouldn't want to settle down here and take over this program with a stellar 15 year history.



Tom Herman, Jimbo Fisher, and Others...
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Nope. I think the run is over. LSU historically isn't that great despite the in-state talent. Their peak successes came in the 1930s and the Saban/Miles era. With A&M on the rise and Texas coming back to life, expect them to lose more recruiting battles whether or not Saban retires in the near future.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Nope. I think the run is over. LSU historically isn't that great despite the in-state talent. Their peak successes came in the 1930s and the Saban/Miles era. With A&M on the rise and Texas coming back to life, expect them to lose more recruiting battles whether or not Saban retires in the near future.
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It might very well be. Until Saban showed, up they only had one national title. It is easy to think with the success they've had since the early 2000s that they have a Notre Dame, Alabama, or even Tennessee-type of history of success but they really don't. I'm not sure exactly what the reason for that is.

The best thing that can happen for their program is for Saban to retire soon. But once he's gone it's not like those kids are going to come to LSU by default as you said. They still have to recruit really well to get them.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
The only question that is material to Les's firing is whether he could come close over the next 12 years of the success over the last 12 years. I would say the vast majority of the LSU fans would agree it was time and that Les was an issue.

I don't see LSU's program as a mess, its definitely time for a change at this time... of course, it could get messy record wise now. If LSU can hang on to this year's recruiting class than that will help the next class... Saban's last class was a disaster when he left. I think their success is up to the coaches and the players. LSU should be fine if they can get the right hire, La. is still probably the most talent rich State in the Union per capita, and all the facilities are top notch.

With that said, I am not saying what they will do as that is up to the players and the coaches. I can say the fans generally are positive about the move... its time to move forward whether or not the same success will be repeated. Time will tell, just my take.

The comments that the school doesn't support the coaches and program are kind of funny... its probably the highest paid coaches in the country and they get basically everything they request. Complete nonsense comments.
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Until you all get rid of Joe Alleva your problems will remain no matter who you hire.
 
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LSU and UGA frankly should prepare for the 40 years of wandering in the wilderness before coming back to the promised land.

We know. We have been thru the wandering part and are hopefully emerging from the wilderness as we speak.

UGA definately downgraded. LSU down graded on their interim coach.
 
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PennVol said:
LSU Job description:
1) LSU is searching for a coach to win every game, and make sure its a blowout. If you have Less than 10-11 wins a year, your fired. We expect wins over Nick Saban, Kevin Sumlin, Hugh Freeze, and Bret Bielema on an annual basis. This should be easy. A losing streak of any kind to any coaches will be a loss in contractual compensation.

2) LSU expects to win every recruit that is born in the state of Louisiana. This should be easy since Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, Texas A&M, and Ole Miss don't even try to recruit kids from this state.

3) Control and clean up the racist police department. Any Questions?

4) Louisiana is an amazing state to live in. The weather is spectacular, the people are normal, and it never rains or gives us any natural disasters. Who wouldn't want to settle down here and take over this program with a stellar 15 year history.



Tom Herman, Jimbo Fisher, and Others...
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I stopped reading after number 1, but I hope you feel better. Haha. Did someone from Louisiana crap on your Fruit Loops. (not a question)
 
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LSU-SIU said:
The only question that is material to Les's firing is whether he could come close over the next 12 years of the success over the last 12 years. I would say the vast majority of the LSU fans would agree it was time and that Les was an issue.

I don't see LSU's program as a mess, its definitely time for a change at this time... of course, it could get messy record wise now. If LSU can hang on to this year's recruiting class than that will help the next class... Saban's last class was a disaster when he left. I think their success is up to the coaches and the players. LSU should be fine if they can get the right hire, La. is still probably the most talent rich State in the Union per capita, and all the facilities are top notch.

With that said, I am not saying what they will do as that is up to the players and the coaches. I can say the fans generally are positive about the move... its time to move forward whether or not the same success will be repeated. Time will tell, just my take.

The comments that the school doesn't support the coaches and program are kind of funny... its probably the highest paid coaches in the country and they get basically everything they request. Complete nonsense comments.
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Imo, and im no LSU fan, it was time to let him go. Good coaches adapt and evolve with the times. Saban now has a true running Qb oriented offense. Good luck with your search. I don't see any reason why LSU can't get whoever they want.
 
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QuickSmurf said:
I agree and can easliy surpass Miles record since 2011.
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The biggest issue is the 2-5 record over the last 7 conference games and its not like the talent is bad. Mississippi State game was a close one as well, which they should have never even been in the game.

At this point, I think LSU fans just want the regression to stop... which was clearly happening.... LSU is losing games and the hard part of the schedule isn't even here. I think LSU fans (in general) are just glad this is over, although it could be long 3 months.

Les can't match Les's record at this point, and unless something was done... he might have had a hard time matching DiNardo's record going forward.

Les is a good guy, but he laid an egg this year.... it's was time to move on.
 
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