Let My People Vote!

[BenGrimm]

I just posted a link that says it is free in TN

You need an ID to cash a govt check, drive, buy alcohol/tobacco, etc. How many voters do none of those?

You can have government checks direct deposited. Not everyone drives or buys alcohol or tobacco. Many do none of the above.

 

[golfballs]

Homeless people in 0hio can register and vote using a park bench as their address. Despite this Dems still cry about "voter oppression" in Ohio. Give me a break

 

[YorkVol]

Honestly, if you presented a work badge with your SSC or BC and voter registration card then yes I think you should be able to vote.

Voter fraud is so minuscule that no one is capable of going to such lengths on a scale large enough that it would have a real impact on the election.

I would agree with that. As long as the precinct judge was satisfied with your identification you should be able to vote and they should give some latitude for common sense.

 

[BenGrimm]

For a couple hundred years we seemed to have gotten by without this. What problem are we solving by adding additional requirements?

Clearly because Obama only won due to voter fraud.

 

[utvolpj]

You can have government checks direct deposited. Not everyone drives or buys alcohol or tobacco. Many do none of the above.

So I can open a bank account and get a govt check using absolutely no ID? I just opened one for my son and it wasn't that easy

there are not many, there are very few. The ones that don't have any ID whatsoever have been given a free route months in advance. There is no excuse

For a couple hundred years we seemed to have gotten by without this. What problem are we solving by adding additional requirements?

it eliminates any opportunity for voter fraud. All citizens should applaud the effort for clean elections

 

[volinbham]

I've always liked SS. That said it's ironic how lefties like her think they are deep thinkers on issues like this then go on to produce amazingly one-sided propaganda pieces.

 

[YorkVol]

You can have government checks direct deposited. Not everyone drives or buys alcohol or tobacco. Many do none of the above.

You know when I was in Afghanistan we registered millions of people for their presidential election in 2004. For many it was their first photo, not just their first photo ID and they were happy to have it. If the ultra-liberal UN thinks it is necessary, why don't we?

I have yet to meet one person for whom this is an issue. At church we just had a celebration for Ms Ida who turned 90, she told everyone to make sure they registered and not to forget to get their ID if they don't have one. If a 90 year old Black woman who has lived in the same inner city row home for 50 years can get her ID I don't see where anyone has a legitimate excuse.

 

[Danl]

So I can open a bank account and get a govt check using absolutely no ID? I just opened one for my son and it wasn't that easy

there are not many, there are very few. The ones that don't have any ID whatsoever have been given a free route months in advance. There is no excuse



it eliminates any opportunity for voter fraud. All citizens should applaud the effort for clean elections

So give me your actual true estimate here. How many otherwise valid voters do you think will be excluded from voting vs. how many fraudulent votes will be excluded.

 

[utvolpj]

So give me your actual true estimate here. How many otherwise valid voters do you think will be excluded from voting vs. how many fraudulent votes will be excluded.

it's not large but that doesn't really matter IMO. If it exists at all it needs to be rectified. First step should be to clean up the voter lists but that is meeting resistance also. This is a simple solution

 

[TennFan]

Some places actually need a photo ID for particular things. I know some people don't drive and don'tr have a photo ID. How do we prevent voter fraud or any type of fraud? Too many rumors continue to float around.

 

[BenGrimm]

You know when I was in Afghanistan we registered millions of people for their presidential election in 2004. For many it was their first photo, not just their first photo ID and they were happy to have it. If the ultra-liberal UN thinks it is necessary, why don't we?

I have yet to meet one person for whom this is an issue. At church we just had a celebration for Ms Ida who turned 90, she told everyone to make sure they registered and not to forget to get their ID if they don't have one. If a 90 year old Black woman who has lived in the same inner city row home for 50 years can get her ID I don't see where anyone has a legitimate excuse.

You already have to register to vote. When I've gone to vote in the past I have to go to a particular location and state who I am. Then they look me up and have me sign the book. If I'm not registered to vote at that location and my name is not in the book I get turned away.

I see the validity of proving who you are. Like I said before, if you have a Voter registration card, and either a SSC or BC then that should suffice.

 

[volfanjustin]

Is it really that hard to get a state issued I.D.? Of course not but like usual the left wants to use scare tactics and accuse those who support it of racism and hating old people, poor people and students. Without dead people voting, voting multiple times or multiple places Dems know they can't win.

Oh yeah, and illegal aliens.

 

[BenGrimm]

Is it really that hard to get a state issued I.D.? Of course not but like usual the left wants to use scare tactics and accuse those who support it of racism and hating old people, poor people and students. Without dead people voting, voting multiple times or multiple places Dems know they can't win.

Oh yeah, and illegal aliens.

Oh, it's the Dems using scare tactics?

"Efforts to measure the extent of voter fraud by compiling criminal cases have indicated that the problem isn’t particularly widespread. One study last month, conducted by a group of journalism students through a project called News21, found 2,068 cases of alleged voter fraud in the U.S. since 2000, including 10 cases of voter impersonation."

Why Counting Voter Fraud Is Hard - The Numbers Guy - WSJ

Wow, I didnt realize that the Dems were only winning because of less that 200 cases of voter fraud a year across the entire nation.

 

[YorkVol]

You already have to register to vote. When I've gone to vote in the past I have to go to a particular location and state who I am. Then they look me up and have me sign the book. If I'm not registered to vote at that location and my name is not in the book I get turned away.

I see the validity of proving who you are. Like I said before, if you have a Voter registration card, and either a SSC or BC then that should suffice.

I'd be ok with that if the SS cards had anti-counterfeit measures applied. I would also be ok with the voter registration office issuing photo cards as that is what we did.

 

[therealUT]

Is it really that hard to get a state issued I.D.? Of course not but like usual the left wants to use scare tactics and accuse those who support it of racism and hating old people, poor people and students. Without dead people voting, voting multiple times or multiple places Dems know they can't win.

Oh yeah, and illegal aliens.

1. Dead people voting:

Do you think the state has a responsibility to regularly update and scrub their voter registration lists with the department of health's records and certificates of death? Don't you think that modern technology would make such a process very easy? I would think that an computer program could be devised in which a voter was entered and identified through their social security number; likewise, when someone dies, their social security number is entered. When a "dead" social security number is entered it automatically crosses off the registered social security number and voter.

Moreover, dead persons voting is extremely rare and insignificant; most prevalent among the cases in which dead persons have cast votes are the cases in which poll workers are casting the votes for the dead persons. How does requiring a photo ID prevent this fraud?

2. Voting in multiple places:

I possess a Kansas DL; I am registered to vote in Massachusetts. I did not think anything of it, until I received my Kansas Voter Card in the mail a few weeks back. Photo ID laws would in no way prevent me from voting in both Massachusetts and Kansas. A surefire way to prevent such double-voting would be to link state-voter registration databases together, so that one could not be registered to vote in two states.

3. Illegal Aliens:

If illegal aliens can currently register to vote (that is, they in some manner have presented fraudulent documentation that has gone unnoticed), what makes you think they will be prevented from getting a photo ID?

Ultimately, I think there are much sounder and fool-proof methods that modern technology has made available in order to prevent voter fraud; requiring photo IDs does not appear as though it will prevent voter fraud as much as make it one step more complicated.

 

[Danl]

it's not large but that doesn't really matter IMO. If it exists at all it needs to be rectified. First step should be to clean up the voter lists but that is meeting resistance also. This is a simple solution

i agree that voter fraud, if it exists, needs to be rectified.

But if you prevent 5 voter frauds and in that process prevent 5,000 otherwise valid voters from voting I think we're cutting off our nose to spite our face.

So what do you really think the ratio of fraud prevented vs valid ballots denied?

 

[PKT_VOL]

I don't think asking for state issued photo identification is too much to ask for.

However, the timing of this is absolutely political and thus disgusting. If it wasn't political, it would have been done many moons ago.

 

[Cdywolfe]

OP....

In the future if the best argument you can come up with has to be presented by Sarah Silverman then you might want to just reconsider presenting it.

I'm not voting for either one of those clowns so I don't really have a dog in this fight but that was nothing but ignorant propaganda trash. I actually feel sorry for you that you allowed yourself to be manipulated by a has been (really never was tbh) comedian.

As PJ has stated many times anyone wanting to vote has plenty of time and a apparently provided transportation to get a FREE state issued ID.

 

[VOLatile]

I just posted a link that says it is free in TN

You need an ID to cash a govt check, drive, buy alcohol/tobacco, etc. How many voters do none of those?

I only buy alcohol... Couldn't tell you the last time I was carded. I have a license, though, just choose not to drive. Gov checks were always direct deposit and I didn't have to show ID to have that set up...

I don't have a problem with requiring an I'D, though. My issue is with limiting early voting like Republicans tried in Ohio.

 

[utvolpj]

Gov checks were always direct deposit and I didn't have to show ID to have that set up...

so you needed absolutely no ID to receive a check from the govt or to set up bank account? Really hard to believe but if that's true it's a bigger issue than voting

 

[VOLatile]

so you needed absolutely no ID to receive a check from the govt or to set up bank account? Really hard to believe but if that's true it's a bigger issue than voting

I set up (IA) unemployment online with just my social security number. I've had the same bank account since I was 13-ish, when my parents set it up for me, so I guess not? I'm sure they had to have my birth certificate (which I don't even have an original, legal copy of) and ssn.

 

[DC_Vol]

Oh, it's the Dems using scare tactics?

"Efforts to measure the extent of voter fraud by compiling criminal cases have indicated that the problem isn’t particularly widespread. One study last month, conducted by a group of journalism students through a project called News21, found 2,068 cases of alleged voter fraud in the U.S. since 2000, including 10 cases of voter impersonation."

Why Counting Voter Fraud Is Hard - The Numbers Guy - WSJ

Wow, I didnt realize that the Dems were only winning because of less that 200 cases of voter fraud a year across the entire nation.

Depends on the standards you use to determine the number of cases.

If you use prosecuted cases, sure. The issue is that without ID it's almost impossible to identify voter fraud.

I can point to multiple districts where voter turnout in an election was greater than the number of total registered voters. You can't have that outcome without voter fraud.

 

[Gramps]

I have no problem with picture id's being a requirement to vote. I question the timing of some of these laws.

i do think the timing is to limit certain voters. IMO, this is a needed law but should allow at least a year for voters to obtain an id.

My problem with the timing is because in the larger cities the majority do not drive thus no need for a drivers license or a picture id.

In the smaller cities and rural areas this would not be as much of an issue because the majority would already have a drivers licenses.

 

[BenGrimm]

OP....

In the future if the best argument you can come up with has to be presented by Sarah Silverman then you might want to just reconsider presenting it.

I'm not voting for either one of those clowns so I don't really have a dog in this fight but that was nothing but ignorant propaganda trash. I actually feel sorry for you that you allowed yourself to be manipulated by a has been (really never was tbh) comedian.

As PJ has stated many times anyone wanting to vote has plenty of time and a apparently provided transportation to get a FREE state issued ID.

You take yourself way too seriously.

 

[utvolpj]

i do think the timing is to limit certain voters. IMO, this is a needed law but should allow at least a year for voters to obtain an id.

I thought TN's laws were passed last year and had been in effect for all of 2012