Let them eat cake err I mean drive hybrids

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volinbham said:
No - I heard the audio.

I think you can see from the transcript though that it is definitely a "let them eat cake" solution.
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Can you link that? Would like to hear it and see if I agree with your characterization.
 
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I can see the point he was grasping for, but Obama showed very poor leadership in his response.
 
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#30
To some degree higher prices are still higher prices. Obviously you feel it more in a less efficient vehicle but mo mony is still mo mony.

I and a buddy at work both use two vehicles; "work" rides (4x4 in bad weather, towing ability, general hauling of stuff) and smaller "commuter" cars for everyday stuff. I just went out and paid cash for a little used Toyota and scoot around getting 29mpg. Both vehicles paid for and all the bases covered. I guess not an option for everybody but I really like the system.
 
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Weezy said:
I watched it yesterday. He was joking around the whole time. And IMO I don't really care about the SUV/Truck crowd. I recently bought a car that gets 28 mpg. Did I want a truck...absoulutely, but if you get one you know what you're getting into_Obvoiusly you aren't too worried about gas prices or you wouldn't have bought it in the first place.
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Maybe you need a truck, you know, for practical purposes...like work. Not saying that's on Obama, but his solution can't just be "go buy a more expensive hybrid."
 
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let's face it. a hybrid is a luxury item. poor people cannot afford hybrids. obama's response, joke or not, just shows how completely out of touch he is. this rise in the gas price directly hits the poor and middle class. the same people he claims he puts first. those that can afford hybrids aren't going to be struggling to pay the rent because they just paid $70 to fill their tank.
 
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I don't necessarily think you have to get a hybrid, but if you can afford an SUV or a truck, you could have bought a mid-size car, or even spent less and got more gas mileage (Yaris or some ****). All trucks and SUVs cost more than a gas efficient car, not a hybrid. New trucks and SUVs cost probably the same as a hybrid. If it's an old beater, and that's all you got, you could probably trade it for an old beater car. My only argument is if you bought a truck, at some point you did not care about gas mileage, and in my belief, you forfeit your right to *****. You made your bed, now lay in it.

And as for the work truck, what's that line everybody here likes to throw around? You don't like it get a better job?
 
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Weezy said:
All trucks and SUVs cost more than a gas efficient car
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ever seen the sticker prices on Toyota Camrys and Honda Accords? The Mini Cooper's price can easily eclipse the price of a base full-sized pickup.
 
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speaking of hybrids and other alternative energy sources
 

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droski said:
let's face it. a hybrid is a luxury item. poor people cannot afford hybrids. obama's response, joke or not, just shows how completely out of touch he is. this rise in the gas price directly hits the poor and middle class. the same people he claims he puts first. those that can afford hybrids aren't going to be struggling to pay the rent because they just paid $70 to fill their tank.
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100 % fact.
 
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One thing that seems to be missing from this discussion is how we perceive the value of a change in fuel economy.

In my mind, it is useless to discuss this in terms of getting an extra 10 miles per gallon because the value of that change in fuel economy directly depends on where you start.

Adding 15 mpg will save you three times more money if you currently get 15 mpg than if you currently get 30 mpg. The payback / better investment is defined not by the increased fuel economy, but by the ratio of the inverse (sort of) fuel economies.

Just a comment about how we talk about value and improvements...
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Not that I would want a Prius, but a new one costs the same as any new truck that's worth a damn. And about $5,000 more than a midsize sedan. Yeah, maybe you can't afford a hybrid, but you probably can't afford a truck either. And if you have an old truck, it's probably worth more than a car of the same year and mileage, and it's not like they've ever been good on gas.
 
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TennTradition said:
One thing that seems to be missing from this discussion is how we perceive the value of a change in fuel economy.

In my mind, it is useless to discuss this in terms of getting an extra 10 miles per gallon because the value of that change in fuel economy directly depends on where you start.

Adding 15 mpg will save you three times more money if you currently get 15 mpg than if you currently get 30 mpg. The payback / better investment is defined not by the increased fuel economy, but by the ratio of the inverse (sort of) fuel economies.

Just a comment about how we talk about value and improvements...
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Nerd Alert!


But excellent point. :)
 
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MG1968 said:
ever seen the sticker prices on Toyota Camrys and Honda Accords? The Mini Cooper's price can easily eclipse the price of a base full-sized pickup.
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A Frontier, Tacoma, F-150, Explorer, etc.. are all going to cost more than a Camry, Fusion, Accord, etc.. with the exact same bells and whistles (pretty much a base model because nice trucks run up north of $35k). It might dip to the same price when gas hits $4.00 but there's a reason for that. Pretty much, I just paid $18.5k for a new Camry.... good luck getting that with an F-150, Frontier, or Tacoma worth a damn.

And don't get me wrong, F-150s are bad ass (not usually the interior). But at some point you admit, I'm willing to sacrifice my wallet in order to drive this badass beast. Now gas is high, deal with it.
 
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Weezy said:
A Frontier, Tacoma, F-150, Explorer, etc.. are all going to cost more than a Camry, Fusion, Accord, etc.. with the exact same bells and whistles (pretty much a base model because nice trucks run up north of $35k). It might dip to the same price when gas hits $4.00 but there's a reason for that. Pretty much, I just paid $18.5k for a new Camry.... good luck getting that with an F-150, Frontier, or Tacoma worth a damn.

And don't get me wrong, F-150s are bad ass (not usually the interior). But at some point you admit, I'm willing to sacrifice my wallet in order to drive this badass beast. Now gas is high, deal with it.
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The MSRP of a new base-model F-150 with a v8 is 23,790.

The fusion starts out at 19,820.
 
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Weezy said:
A Frontier, Tacoma, F-150, Explorer, etc.. are all going to cost more than a Camry, Fusion, Accord, etc.. with the exact same bells and whistles (pretty much a base model because nice trucks run up north of $35k). It might dip to the same price when gas hits $4.00 but there's a reason for that. Pretty much, I just paid $18.5k for a new Camry.... good luck getting that with an F-150, Frontier, or Tacoma worth a damn.

And don't get me wrong, F-150s are bad ass (not usually the interior). But at some point you admit, I'm willing to sacrifice my wallet in order to drive this badass beast. Now gas is high, deal with it.
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tell you what, when you're a contractor who needs to be able to haul 30 sheets of 4x8 plywood or drywall, your Camry is completely useless for such a job.
 
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MG1968 said:
tell you what, when you're a contractor who needs to be able to haul 30 sheets of 4x8 plywood or drywall, your Camry is completely useless for such a job.
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No its not, see

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VolsNSkinsFan said:
Hey Obama.... People buy pickups and work vans because they need them for work


I swear this guy hasnt worked a day in his life, and is such a jerk
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Find me someone who buys a large truck/SUV for need of work, and I'll find you two who bought one because they're insecure jerk-offs.

I remember installing car stereos/alarms for a while in one of the wealthier Portland suburbs, and I don't remember a single guy who brought in a 2500/F-250/Yukon/Escalade/Excursion that was taller than 5'7" or 5'8".

And for the people who do need it for work, then the price of gas can get factored in to the services for which they charge. Simple.

droski said:
let's face it. a hybrid is a luxury item. poor people cannot afford hybrids. obama's response, joke or not, just shows how completely out of touch he is. this rise in the gas price directly hits the poor and middle class. the same people he claims he puts first. those that can afford hybrids aren't going to be struggling to pay the rent because they just paid $70 to fill their tank.
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That's why the cash for clunkers thing was a bummer... I could go on craigslist in '06 and find a '92 Geo Prizm GSi or '87 Accord LXI for $700 that would easily get 30-35mpg and had another 150k miles left in it with nothing more than oil changes and maybe a belt or some brakes.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Can you link that? Would like to hear it and see if I agree with your characterization.
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Who cares about the delivery, his response was nonsense. His solution to solving high gas prices is for everyone to go buy an over-sized and overpriced golf cart?
 
#47
#47
Yep. And buying all those uh... Environmentally safe gigantic batteries that will cost thousands of dollars to replace at some point in the cars life.

How often does anybody see first gen Prius's or Insights on the road these days? Nearly none? Guess why?
 
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milohimself said:
That's why the cash for clunkers thing was a bummer... I could go on craigslist in '06 and find a '92 Geo Prizm GSi or '87 Accord LXI for $700 that would easily get 30-35mpg and had another 150k miles left in it with nothing more than oil changes and maybe a belt or some brakes.
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Yep, took many perfectly fine cars out of the market, encouraged people to go into debt and artificially inflated used vehicle prices - brilliant
 
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So is this 2-1 jerkoff stat backed by real data? Because u should hop on I285 with me at 8 am on a Monday and you will get a pretty good idea of what America drives and why
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