Let them eat cake err I mean drive hybrids

#51
#51
So is this 2-1 jerkoff stat backed by real data? Because u should hop on I285 with me at 8 am on a Monday and you will get a pretty good idea of what America drives and why
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Yeah, I hate to go here, but I think Milo might be blown away by the "jerkoff" population down this way. I see a lot of tanks going up and down I-75.
 
#52
#52
Lot of folks driving big rigs just 'cause down in Jawga? Can't say I've ever had the pleasure of visiting.
 
#53
#53
Between the Soccer Moms, the hunters, the golfers, the dudes that just like big cars and the actual jerkoffs, we've got a pretty good number of Expeditions, Suburbans, Sequoyahs, 250s, Yukons etc roaming around.
 
#54
#54
I always find it funny that golfers go for the big cars, considering that the trunk practically every sedan, sports car and convertible over $35k in the US is designed around being able to fit a loaded golf bag.
 
#55
#55
I always find it funny that golfers go for the big cars, considering that the trunk practically every sedan, sports car and convertible over $35k in the US is designed around being able to fit a loaded golf bag.
That's the problem though. We golfers have friends and we want to carpool. :) Got to be able to fit 3 or 4 bags in there when we go on a trip.
 
#56
#56
Between the Soccer Moms, the hunters, the golfers, the dudes that just like big cars and the actual jerkoffs, we've got a pretty good number of Expeditions, Suburbans, Sequoyahs, 250s, Yukons etc roaming around.
My suggestion for each crowd you listed, in order:

Mini-vans (more efficient, far safer and more family-friendly design), small pick-ups (unless you're going after big game), luxury wagon/estate (the universal choice of "golfists" the world-over), shut up and get a normal car, you jerk (and take off the Tapout shirt, we all know you can't fight).
 
#57
#57
That's the problem though. We golfers have friends and we want to carpool. :) Got to be able to fit 3 or 4 bags in there when we go on a trip.

I used to carpool to all the public links around here a couple summers ago in a buddy's Audi A4 wagon. Worked swimmingly.
 
#58
#58
They'll kick me out of the Bushwood Country Club if I show up in a station wagon.
 
#60
#60
Who cares about the delivery, his response was nonsense. His solution to solving high gas prices is for everyone to go buy an over-sized and overpriced golf cart?

Because Obama doesn't care. If he had his way with the energy plan he wanted a couple years back, he admitted that gas prices would significantly jump.
 
#62
#62
That's why the cash for clunkers thing was a bummer... I could go on craigslist in '06 and find a '92 Geo Prizm GSi or '87 Accord LXI for $700 that would easily get 30-35mpg and had another 150k miles left in it with nothing more than oil changes and maybe a belt or some brakes.

Yea, I'm in the market for something similiar and can't find crap. It's mostly 6-8 year old small cars that they want minimum $8000+ for in my area.
 
#63
#63
Yea, I'm in the market for something similiar and can't find crap. It's mostly 6-8 year old small cars that they want minimum $8000+ for in my area.

I buy and sell used cars for friends all the time, PM for some help. The market sucks bad compared to 4 years ago, but you can still navigate it to some good deals.
 
#64
#64
I recently bought a 97 Cavalier off of Craigslist. Paid $1400. Had to put one new tire on it and a new battery. I've been driving it back and forth to work (60 mile round trip) for nearly a month and haven't had any major problems with it. It's not without issues, but none are major mechanical. I'm averaging 30mpg, both city and highway, not bad for an engine with 145k on it.

Craigslist has gotten tough, and small, economical cars go very fast.
 
#65
#65
No its not, see

car_crashes_0002.jpg

Not a Camry, it's a Jetta. That's the exact car I drive right down to the color. Lol
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#66
#66
They always do when gas creeps anywhere near $4. Don't know about down south, but I've seen Geo Metro/Suzuki Swift go for $4k-5k in good shape. It gets a little ridiculous.
 
#68
#68
Not a Camry, it's a Jetta. That's the exact car I drive right down to the color. Lol
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does your car have the rear shock towers protruding into the trunk where you loaded it down with 2500lbs of lumber and cement mix?
 
#69
#69
Find me someone who buys a large truck/SUV for need of work, and I'll find you two who bought one because they're insecure jerk-offs.

I remember installing car stereos/alarms for a while in one of the wealthier Portland suburbs, and I don't remember a single guy who brought in a 2500/F-250/Yukon/Escalade/Excursion that was taller than 5'7" or 5'8".

And for the people who do need it for work, then the price of gas can get factored in to the services for which they charge. Simple.

Keep in mind that most people coming into a store to get a premium sound system/car alarm installed in that giant truck aren't the type of people who use that truck to earn their living. They're the insecure jerkoffs that you referenced.

Your point is well taken about people who use those big vehicles to earn a living can simply offset rising fuel costs by passing the costs on to the customers, but that's still a fine line to have to walk. While most good, loyal customers are going to understand the need for this, there are also those who are simply looking for the cheapest deal. There is always someone out there who will be willing to undercut you for business if you start pissing people off by jacking up their prices. So at some point you have to weigh the gains of charging a little bit more money across the board to make up for higher expenses against money lost because of lost business when people go looking for a cheaper route.
 
#71
#71
What honestly gets 8 MPG? An H2? I can tow my boat in traffic and get 12

The only things getting 8 mpg are HD trucks that should be running on NatGas
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#72
#72
I don't necessarily think you have to get a hybrid, but if you can afford an SUV or a truck, you could have bought a mid-size car, or even spent less and got more gas mileage (Yaris or some ****). All trucks and SUVs cost more than a gas efficient car, not a hybrid. New trucks and SUVs cost probably the same as a hybrid. If it's an old beater, and that's all you got, you could probably trade it for an old beater car. My only argument is if you bought a truck, at some point you did not care about gas mileage, and in my belief, you forfeit your right to *****. You made your bed, now lay in it.

And as for the work truck, what's that line everybody here likes to throw around? You don't like it get a better job?
So you have no problem with escalating fuel costs? Or should we all ignore that point and focus on what everybody should have done in a perfect world?
 
#73
#73
Keep in mind that most people coming into a store to get a premium sound system/car alarm installed in that giant truck aren't the type of people who use that truck to earn their living. They're the insecure jerkoffs that you referenced.

Your point is well taken about people who use those big vehicles to earn a living can simply offset rising fuel costs by passing the costs on to the customers, but that's still a fine line to have to walk. While most good, loyal customers are going to understand the need for this, there are also those who are simply looking for the cheapest deal. There is always someone out there who will be willing to undercut you for business if you start pissing people off by jacking up their prices. So at some point you have to weigh the gains of charging a little bit more money across the board to make up for higher expenses against money lost because of lost business when people go looking for a cheaper route.

I understand I was probably exposed to a bad cross-section of society, but either way there are a lot, lot, lot of people on the road who could have made far more responsible decisions on what they choose to drive, in terms of both efficiency and safety (active and passive -- protect yourself better in a wreck because you're driving an SUV (which is complete BS) or possibly avoid the wreck altogether because you're not driving an SUV).

As for business, that's all part of the game. I'll use roofers as an example. Roofer Company A may have factored in gas prices to the billing for its customers, and Roofer Company B undercuts them by not factoring in the rising cost of gas. Company B may cut more into their own profit margins, or they might keep them by starting to cut corners in the quality of their work or materials. Maybe they can live with less margins if it means more business, or maybe if they're cutting corners, then people will pay more for A to deliver higher quality. Or maybe both companies collude and jack prices up on everybody.

That's one thing you gotta love about microeconomics, you can go on for hours with hypotheticals.
 
#74
#74
I accept it. Seems to happen every couple of years. Would be silly to buy a non-fuel-efficient car and then ***** about it when gas prices rise, like nobody saw that coming. I assume it will go back down, maybe it won't. But I also believe I have no control over that and neither does the President.
 
#75
#75
I accept it. Seems to happen every couple of years. Would be silly to buy a non-fuel-efficient car and then ***** about it when gas prices rise, like nobody saw that coming. I assume it will go back down, maybe it won't. But I also believe I have no control over that and neither does the President.

That's the thing though, for the most part, there's no reason you couldn't treat a new car as a 10 year investment. Why do you think huge SUV's blew up in the late 90's all the way up to 9/11? You had American companies making ridiculous margins on cheap-to-produce BOF designs which were not subject to the rigorous design standards of unibody chassis at the time, everybody was convinced that a 1/2 ton beast was the amount of space they needed to take a few dudes golfing or kids to hockey practice and that they were safer (we later found out they were far less safe than unibody vehicles). Mainly, nobody considered the cost of driving these behemoths when the WTC still stood and gas was $1.60.
 

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