Let's compare Jesus and Muhammed (and debate homosexuality) (and Tombstone).

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fl0at said:
Again I feel the need to climb to the top of a water tower with a bucket of paint to defend my city's honor.
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Your city is fine, and I actually have enjoyed my time there. There are some parts that I would never be caught anywhere near though.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
I think Paley’s argument is more interesting that the ontological argument of cosmological argument for God’s existence, but that is just me.
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Not sure if you are interested; however, here are some of my thoughts regarding Paley's argument from back in the day when I was taking a Philosophy of Religion course:

I would now like to speak to the obvious fallacy that I find in Paley's argument. Paley makes a key assumption that we as humans would automatically know that a watch is designed for a purpose by human hands if we stumble upon a watch in nature. I disagree. I think it is an entirely plausible argument to say that a human could stumble upon an artifact so distinct from any he has ever before been exposed to as to entertain the thought that the artifact may be organic: it may be produced purely by nature. I think Paley does a disservice to himself and to his readers by not allowing for this possibility and not addressing it as follows:

2a. For those who do not know that a watch is designed intentionally by a conscious being, we could either take them to such a being and let them observe the process of watch design or we could logically demonstrate through words the existence of such a being and such a process.

Of course, had Paley allowed for this premise, he would have had to amend his conclusion to allow for our ability to either take a being to a universe creator in order to observe the process of universe creation or we would have to logically demonstrate through words the existence of such a being and such a process. Since it is impossible for us to do the former, and since Paley does not offer a solution for the latter, it seems as though Paley's argument is inherently flawed due to his inability to escape his own environment, atmosphere, and upbringing in forming and postulating his argument.
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I am in awe. gheric, in a single thread, has argued against or offended atheists, believers, veterans, women, homosexuals, philosophers and cello players. Gotta be some kind of interweb record.

Also, I'm no mathamagician, but does this chart mean everyone who works as a timber cutter dies?

droski said:
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I'd avoid #5 certainly.
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CSVol said:
I am in awe. gheric, in a single thread, has argued against or offended atheists, believers, veterans, women, homosexuals, philosophers and cello players. Gotta be some kind of interweb record.

Also, I'm no mathamagician, but does this chart mean everyone who works as a timber cutter dies?
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Yep, especially the pregnant timber cutters
 
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CSVol said:
I am in awe. gheric, in a single thread, has argued against or offended atheists, believers, veterans, women, homosexuals, philosophers and cello players. Gotta be some kind of interweb record.

Also, I'm no mathamagician, but does this chart mean everyone who works as a timber cutter dies?
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Everyone, plus the extra 17% that have even thought about it.
 
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CSVol said:
I am in awe. gheric, in a single thread, has argued against or offended atheists, believers, veterans, women, homosexuals, philosophers and cello players. Gotta be some kind of interweb record.

Also, I'm no mathamagician, but does this chart mean everyone who works as a timber cutter dies?
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Nah. Rate, not percent.
 
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CSVol said:
Double Haw! (actually just got this)
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The month after I graduated high school, we took a family trip to Vienna (where my Dad was raised) for a little over two weeks. We had one of those handheld video cameras that held the mini-VHS tapes, and I carried that thing everywhere. I one point, we were sitting at a cafe across the street from the Belvedere Palace, and I placed the still recording camera on the table as we ate. The glasses were marked with measurements, denoted in the metric system. My siblings and I then engaged in a discussion about liters and ounces. We were trying to figure out the conversion. Finally, exhausted, I stated, "I'm not sure how many ounces are in a liter; however, I do know that West Point has leaders." It was a pun, obviously, and both my brother and older sister laughed (not too hard, as it was not that funny).

Two days later, we were climbing around some old castle looking over the Danube, and my older sister, upon reaching an epiphany, states, "Oh, LEADERS! West Point has leaders!" She proceeds to laugh, very hard (I hope she was laughing more at herself than the pun), and all of that was also caught on camera.

Makes for a great family inside joke.
 
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Not to veer off topic but I spent a week in Vienna last spring and it was awesome. Though I can steer it back a little: I went to an AIDS Aweness rally to see a free Annie Lennox show and had my picture taken w/Paris Hilton (actually, standing next to her pointing drunkenly with a big brown beer stain on my shirt).
 
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Some board monitor is a real clown, or at least thinks he is.

One last comparison between Jesus and Muhammed.

Supernateral powers.

Eyewitness accounts say that Jesus performed many miracles, including making the blind to see and the lame to walk.

Muhammed? NADA.

In other words Jesus could raise the dead, Muhammed could make you dead, and that is still one of the main differences to this day.
 
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gsvol said:
Some board monitor is a real clown, or at least thinks he is.

One last comparison between Jesus and Muhammed.

Supernateral powers.

Eyewitness accounts say that Jesus performed many miracles, including making the blind to see and the lame to walk.

Muhammed? NADA.

In other words Jesus could raise the dead, Muhammed could make you dead, and that is still one of the main differences to this day.
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Eyewitnesses...funny, all those stories are written down by people that were not eyewitnesses. In legal terms, that is hearsay.
 
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therealUT said:
Eyewitnesses...funny, all those stories are written down by people that were not eyewitnesses. In legal terms, that is hearsay.
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During the times, because of the illiteracy rate, they passed down many things by story, which in those times were really accurate. I mean, ask yourself this, if your parents tell you the story of your great great great grandfather, and what he may have done to help your family in someway, you have no "eyewitnesses" telling you the story, yet would you question it?? As a new Christian, I once watched "The Case for Christ". This is the story of a former atheistic journalist named Lee Strobel, you may be familiar with him, who went on a two year journey to either prove Jesus didn't exist in the context of the Bible, or prove that he did exist in the context of the supernatural and miracle performing way he is portrayed. It was a rather informative documentary of his journey, and was well done, or at least I think it was. Might want to watch it sometime, or at least consider it.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
During the times, because of the illiteracy rate, they passed down many things by story, which in those times were really accurate. I mean, ask yourself this, if your parents tell you the story of your great great great grandfather, and what he may have done to help your family in someway, you have no "eyewitnesses" telling you the story, yet would you question it?? As a new Christian, I once watched "The Case for Christ". This is the story of a former atheistic journalist named Lee Strobel, you may be familiar with him, who went on a two year journey to either prove Jesus didn't exist in the context of the Bible, or prove that he did exist in the context of the supernatural and miracle performing way he is portrayed. It was a rather informative documentary of his journey, and was well done, or at least I think it was. Might want to watch it sometime, or at least consider it.
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All of this still amounts to the fact that there is not an eyewitness account of the either the life of Jesus or his Resurrection.

GSVol might take that into account the next time he is selecting which verbiage to use in his posts.
 
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therealUT said:
All of this still amounts to the fact that there is not an eyewitness account of the either the life of Jesus or his Resurrection.

GSVol might take that into account the next time he is selecting which verbiage to use in his posts.
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If they are written much later than Jesus' death, then they missed one VERY key prophecy that Jesus foretold of. In 70AD, the Romans sacked Jerusalem, and tore down the Temple, which Jesus had prophesied in Matthew, Mark, and Luke. If they had been written much later, one would be very quick to logically ask why this prophesy wasn't included in the text of those three gospels, especially if they had been written so many year later. I have a Schofield Bible, which puts the writing of the Book of Matthew, at or around 50AD, which was only 17 years after Jesus was crucified and rose again. Even the Book of Luke, and the Book of Acts, which were both written by Luke, a traveling companion of Paul, were written in 60AD. You also have to think that these books could have been possibly written before this, and just not published till a later date, due to the conflicts in the region.
 
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gsvol said:
Some board monitor is a real clown, or at least thinks he is.

One last comparison between Jesus and Muhammed.

Supernateral powers.

Eyewitness accounts say that Jesus performed many miracles, including making the blind to see and the lame to walk.

Muhammed? NADA.

In other words Jesus could raise the dead, Muhammed could make you dead, and that is still one of the main differences to this day.
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You can do better. Jesus was the self-proclaimed "Son of God." Mohammed simply ascended into heaven on flaming horse or something. Both are just as believable.
 
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