Lets take a look at the Hoosiers.

#26
#26
TC was a top five coach before IU hired him. There is no comparison b/w coaches either.

Wow, what?


Look, UT bball fans, the real fans, will have to be patient and most of you know this. Despite having a bunch of 4 star recruits on the roster from the Pearl era, the Vols are shallow on talent. From watching Hall, Tatum, Maymon, Golden and McRae play college ball, how many of them would you peg for 4 stars? Hell, Skyler McBee is still seeing significant minutes on this team.

It's going to be a process, let the coach do his thing.
 
#27
#27
Wow, what?


Look, UT bball fans, the real fans, will have to be patient and most of you know this. Despite having a bunch of 4 star recruits on the roster from the Pearl era, the Vols are shallow on talent. From watching Hall, Tatum, Maymon, Golden and McRae play college ball, how many of them would you peg for 4 stars? Hell, Skyler McBee is still seeing significant minutes on this team.

It's going to be a process, let the coach do his thing.

I'd be much more comfortable with TC court side. Your assessment is not far off, but that doesn't change the fact that there is absolutely no comparison b/w the two coaches or programs.

FWIW UT had enough talent to beat Austin P and CoC.
 
#28
#28
CTC's First 3 years they won around 8,10, and 15 games. Pretty bad start, but now they just beat the number 1 team in the Nation, they are undefeated, and they have the number 2 recruiting class this year. You need to have patience guys. Coach Martin is going to take our program to good places. The fact that he is looking like he will land Jarnell Stokes is insane. Give it time, good things will happen.

Crean before IU:

0 Losing Seasons
2 NITs
5 NCAA Tournament Appearances
1 Final Four Appearance

Martin before UT:

1 Losing Season
2 NITs

The analogy between the leeway Crean had at IU and Martin should have at UT is weak.
 
#29
#29
List of teams that Creen has lost to in his time at Indiana:

Saint Josephs's
Northeastern
Lipscomb
Boston University
George Mason
Loyola MD
Iowa x2 (10-22 in 2010, notable loss to UT San Antonio)

You can pickup Assembly Hall, turn it upside down and shake out enough talent from the stands to beat these teams.

Losses happen when you're rebuilding.
 
#30
#30
I started reading, and I was confused. But then I see you downgraded him more to average. I agree wholeheartedly. I do think he is a good coach, but his record without Wade is very subpar.

Coach K's record without Amaker, Laettner, Hurlery, Hill, Battier, Booser, S. Williams, J. Williams, Avery, Reddick, N. Smith, etc. etc. is also subpar.

Crean made it to the Final Four with Wade and made it to the NIT and NCAA Tournament without Wade.
 
#31
#31
List of teams that Creen has lost to in his time at Indiana:

Saint Josephs's
Northeastern
Lipscomb
Boston University
George Mason
Loyola MD
Iowa x2 (10-22 in 2010, notable loss to UT San Antonio)

You can pickup Assembly Hall, turn it upside down and shake out enough talent from the stands to beat these teams.

Losses happen when you're rebuilding.

You can post all day and nothing is going to convince me that Martin is close to being a comparable coach.
 
#32
#32
Crean before IU:

0 Losing Seasons
2 NITs
5 NCAA Tournament Appearances
1 Final Four Appearance

Martin before UT:

1 Losing Season
2 NITs

The analogy between the leeway Crean had at IU and Martin should have at UT is weak.

Well, c'mon man. No "losing seasons" for Crean, but two where he went 15-14 in the old C-USA, then two more where he failed to win 20 games and finished 8th and 9th in the old C-USA.
 
#35
#35
Crean took over a program in complete shambles. Martin took over over a program on a solid run of NCAA appearances.
 
#37
#37
are you really claiming the UT program was on solid ground when he took over?

Pearl left in disgrace, but success and support of the program have never been higher.

Pearl left us in a position to fall off the cliff or keep climbing higher. Early evidence looks like we're in a free-fall.
 
#38
#38
Pearl left us in a position to fall off the cliff or keep climbing higher. Early evidence looks like we're in a free-fall.

keep climbing higher with a UT name that had been dragged through the mud and a nuked roster? Not saying CCM is the answer but it would have been tough for any coach
 
#39
#39
keep climbing higher with a UT name that had been dragged through the mud and a nuked roster? Not saying CCM is the answer but it would have been tough for any coach

UT's name was fine - Pearl's name was/is mud.

And like I've said before, we don't have an all-star roster, but it's not nearly as bad as they've looked recently.
 
#41
#41
Well, c'mon man. No "losing seasons" for Crean, but two where he went 15-14 in the old C-USA, then two more where he failed to win 20 games and finished 8th and 9th in the old C-USA.

Marquette has really missed Crean's presence. They are awful :)
 
#42
#42
Crean took over a program in complete shambles. Martin took over over a program on a solid run of NCAA appearances.

...which had just lost it's only two NBA'ers in a long while, a long with a good chunk of last year's scoring, and Martin was coming to a program under NCAA investigation which shackled his ability to recruit anyone to replace the lost talent.
 
#46
#46
Are you comparing C-USA to the MVC?

Old C-USA was a top 5-6 conference before the exodus. 19-12 in a conference like that, where you bring in recruits the likes of Dwayne Wade and get to play Sister Mary's Home for the Poor half a dozen times per season is no great shakes.

Whereas Mizzou St. has to routinely play better comp in it's out of conference schedule.

I always think that, if you want to compare two different coaches from two different conference tiers, look at their in-conference records. That'll show you what they do against programs on equal footing, and remove a lot of the over/under powered outliers.
 
#47
#47
Old C-USA was a top 5-6 conference before the exodus. 19-12 in a conference like that, where you bring in recruits the likes of Dwayne Wade and get to play Sister Mary's Home for the Poor half a dozen times per season is no great shakes.

Whereas Mizzou St. has to routinely play better comp in it's out of conference schedule.

I always think that, if you want to compare two different coaches from two different conference tiers, look at their in-conference records. That'll show you what they do against programs on equal footing, and remove a lot of the over/under powered outliers.

Do you know what MSU's SOS was during Martin's two winning seasons there?

Do you know what it was when Hinson took MSU to two 22-win seasons?
 
#48
#48
Sarcasm, my friend :) Also, the two coaches previous to Crean (including Kevin O'Neil) had success at Marquette as well.

I picked up on the sarcasm. Crean had a mediocre resume at marquette aside from the Final Four, which even Mike Davis can accomplish when the stars align.
 

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