Let's talk about Jalen Hurd - Eddie George is.

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ItsAllVols said:
You wont see any SEC LB catching him, maybe DB but he will learn to run at them instead of trying to run around them which gives them a angle to tackle him.
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That's exactly what's going to happen as he develops his open field instincts. Spot on!!!
 
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hndog609 said:
This isn't rocket science...Hurd has VERY good speed for a guy his size. No, he isn't Eric Dickerson (a commonly cited comparison) fast but, c'mon, is that really a reasonable comparison? I am very much looking forward to what Hurd is going to accomplish before he leaves.
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a-men,
 
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jayski said:
The kid has great speed for a 6'3" 235lb football player but not great break away speed for a running back. I like his attitude and energy but I think he should be used more as a hybrid (RB/WR/H back) and develop one of the more traditional backs for this offense. I'm sure he stays at RB and I hope he does well.
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Oh boy.....
 
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minus the 5 sacks (which are really passing plays), our running game had 135 yards on the ground on 27 carries, good for 5.0 yards per carry against one of the toughest Defenses in the country. I think we surprise some folks this year!
 
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papatomany said:
The defender took a good angle to get in position, (and was the outside linebacker on the other side, incredible pursuit!) but from the time they were virtually even at the 50, the defender outran Jalen. The hypotenuse is the longest side of a right triangle.
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We finally have someone that knows basic geometry. I am still anxiously awaiting response from "Jake" showing us the mathematical proof for his rambles on angles, speed differentials and "downhill" variables to explain how a guy gets run down from someone that has to cover more ground but is obviously 'slower".:popcorn:
 
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Rooster1 said:
We finally have someone that knows basic geometry. I am still anxiously awaiting response from "Jake" showing us the mathematical proof for his rambles on angles, speed differentials and "downhill" variables to explain how a guy gets run down from someone that has to cover more ground but is obviously 'slower".:popcorn:
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Ok...Jalen's slow and mediocre... now that you've heard it, can you get back to amputating your pet hamster's leg? :glare:
 
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Here are stills on the "slow" play. Jalen is a legitimate 4.4 guy, yet Jordan Evans has also been clocked at 4.5.


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As I'm sure you see, Jalen has to slow down greatly to throw the stiff arm while Evans is still pursuing him at full speed. The hypotenuse guys will love how he's already almost halfway to the middle of that hypotenuse.

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Evans is running at Hurd - not the end zone - and has a definite advantage here.

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The guy clearly had acceleration and yards on the play before Jalen got to full speed. Evans is not slow by any stretch either, and wasn't racing Hurd to the end zone. He was racing to stretch out his 6'3 body and tackle him.

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You can call it what you want, but to call one of our fastest players "slower than expected" or "not that fast" is pretty ridiculous. He's a monster with his speed/size combo, and that's not debatable.
 
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Vol74 said:
You can call it what you want, but to call one of our fastest players "slower than expected" or "not that fast" is pretty ridiculous. He's a monster with his speed/size combo, and that's not debatable.
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I think during some of the hype of recruiting some people got it in their minds Hurd was one of "those" guys. You know, the sub-10.5 or even faster type of player. Legit players (and not just track star wannabes) that fast are VERY rare and no, Hurd isn't one of them. He IS extremely athletic for his size and worrying that he might not make the Fastest Running Backs Ever list is a galactic case of looking a gift horse in the mouth. He's PLENTY fast, especially for his size.
 
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The LB was already well down the would be hypotenuse prior to Pythagorean principles being operative. Hurd was running away from this 4.5 guy at the time of the tackle. The initial angle gave the LB the advantage. So the right angle analogy is really not applicable while Hurd is breaking to the sideline and the LB has already progressed as the result of the initial advantage of the angle he had. :rock:
 
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DL916 said:
A guy with a young OLine against one of the best DLine's in the nation on the road finds a way to bust two big runs and a big screen play and people say "he isn't as fast."

My god I've heard it all now. You do realize he's playing against a top defense right? They're not made of Karns high school players that you played against you idiots.

If he runs a 4.45 that's blazing, but if their guys run just as fast as him even a tad slower so let's say 4.5 they will catch him.

Here is how things work: guys with a 20-30 yard head start down the field and with good angles will run down a guy of same speed and even guys who are a bit faster.

If he ran a 4.2 and got an additional block or two down field he might have outran that fast defense.

I hear people complain about Dooley players left on this team, that's fine. But my god we have a ton of Dooley type fans left over. You see an 18 year old come in and ball out against 21-22-23 year old men who have been in strength and conditioning programs for 3-4-5 years and you tell me Hurd isn't fast?

Take your Dooley mentality and hit the road we don't want you energy vampires on our energy bus.
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I dont know how anyone could criticize Hurd running behind THAT O-line.

Barry Sanders would've had a hard time breaking a long run while the entire line was collapsing around him.
 
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hndog609 said:
I think during some of the hype of recruiting some people got it in their minds Hurd was one of "those" guys. You know, the sub-10.5 or even faster type of player. Legit players (and not just track star wannabes) that fast are VERY rare and no, Hurd isn't one of them. He IS extremely athletic for his size and worrying that he might not make the Fastest Running Backs Ever list is a galactic case of looking a gift horse in the mouth. He's PLENTY fast, especially for his size.
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Fast is a good thing, but leave that to the wide-outs. A successful SEC running back is built like a tank. He's a guy that runs "down hill" and can throw a shoulder into a defensive line and win that battle more often than not. He's not fast, he's fast enough, but he's powerful.
 
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NMVol said:
The LB was already well down the would be hypotenuse prior to Pythagorean principles being operative. Hurd was running away from this 4.5 guy at the time of the tackle. The initial angle gave the LB the advantage. So the right angle analogy is really not applicable while Hurd is breaking to the sideline and the LB has already progressed as the result of the initial advantage of the angle he had. :rock:
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I bet that DB cant even say Pythagorean.
 
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kmkemp11 said:
Not to burst the optimism bubble, but one of his long runs was sprung by a blatant hold that would have made it a no gainer.
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I don't know about that, but OK was holding our defensive lineman all night and never got called on it. Go look at the video on the UT website right now that shows the game highlights and the play of the OK sack and you can see one of their linemen literally arm tackle one of our defensive linemen to the ground, yet no call.
 
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Rooster1 said:
It is common sense, you just do not understand what you are reading. Having the "best chance" by choosing the most advantageous angle literally means it is the shortest route to the player being chased. It does not mean that it gives you a bump in speed, it does not mean the defender actually covers less ground than the ball carrier.
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Lol....you're saying the same thing I am. You WANT to argue and stroke your ego by dissecting meaningless words like you know more than me. And that's ok bro...go right ahead. It makes a hill of beans to me.

Meanwhile, I'm looking for the ignore button. And there it is...with your name all over it. Bye bye
 
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I thought DBs were usually faster than running backs anyway?? Though it won't matter since he'll be able to run through them. He's fast enough. Give him an opening and let him average 4-5 yards a play (if not more) and we'll march right down field and into the endzone.
 
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Anybody else notice that he's rocking the same haircut as the goth kid from Southpark?

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MWAVolfan said:
Fast is a good thing, but leave that to the wide-outs. A successful SEC running back is built like a tank. He's a guy that runs "down hill" and can throw a shoulder into a defensive line and win that battle more often than not. He's not fast, he's fast enough, but he's powerful.
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...got it ... it's the tall thing ...
 
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Normally, I refrain from commentary pertaining to Twitter, but, given the frequency with which Jalen Hurd has been compared to Eddie George, it is interesting to note that Eddie tweeted the following message after last Saturday's game vs. Oklahoma: "Jalen Hurd@Vol_Football will be a SuperStar!!! #beast" (#VolReport: George's Tweet Amazes Hurd - UTSPORTS.COM - University of Tennessee Athletics).

Many of us have advanced the same opinion but it is still rewarding to see such strong affirmation. According to Jalen, "I saw that on Twitter when I got on the bus," Hurd said. "That's amazing. That's my biggest idol right there. That man can run the ball. That [tweet] just makes me very happy and encouraged."

. . . "Hurd's style somewhat mimics George's game, and that is not by coincidence. Hurd tries to take after the man he once followed on Sundays. . . . [Incidentally,] Hurd has already surpassed George's freshman yardage from the 1992 Ohio State season. In 11 games, George ran for 176 yards and scored five touchdowns. Hurd has 209 rushing yards, 40 receiving yards, one rushing TD and one receiving TD through three games."
 
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Hurd looks better with every game.

I honestly think he will be our best back since Jamal by the time we beat Florida in 2015.
 
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