Let's talk about "not punishing those who play in championship games"

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Titans4Vols said:
I used to think like you, but if history mattered as much as some of us think it does, CFB wouldn't look anything like it does now. History only matters until it gets in the way of making more money, and then they throw it out the window. Can just go back a decade at a time. 2024 looks a lot different than 2014. 2014 looks a lot different than 2004. 04 different than 94, so on and so forth.

People like Josh Pate say they hear that the SEC and Big 10 want to just create their own league, and I can imagine they'd figure out some way to take some of the bigger outside schools(Clemson and FSU as random examples) with them in to said league.

Which if you're going to do a large playoff format honestly makes far more sense.
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I wish you weren’t right in some ways but you are. Then again, who won’t enjoy this playoff?
 
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deatojl said:
I missed one. They have beaten two playoff teams. It is impressive but they would still be a three loss team. Yes, they have the head to head but they would have an additional loss, which would match the number of losses for Alabama and Ole Miss who both have the head to head over Georgia.
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And if Clemson beats SMU, they'll have beaten 3 playoff teams. They are in, even if they lose this weekend and will probably be seeded above us at 10-3. Their schedule was murder, they played Alabama, Ole Miss, Texas, Tennessee and Clemson and only 1 of those games was at home, and still won 10 games. No one else has that kind of resume this year.
 
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1Big_Orange_Fan said:
Exactly. If #5 UGA gets beat by Texas they will fall behind #6 UT even with the head-to-head win. It's dumb to think otherwise.
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I'd be surprised. Unless GA gets blown out. I don't think they are going to get penalized for playing a game in which we could not reach. To me it doesn't make sense for them to drop below Tennessee if they lose a close game.
 
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For some curious reason that I don't remember, I watched some of first Texas/Georgia game.

Not even a close match up. Georgia gonna saw their horns off again.

Please send Texas to Knoxville. They are super soft.
 
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I think people get confused on what the not punishing part is. You can still be moved down in the standings. It’s basically if you were in the playoffs before the championship game it can’t knock you out of the playoffs. If you weren’t in before the championship game you’re not in unless you win like for instance Clemson.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
And if Clemson beats SMU, they'll have beaten 3 playoff teams. They are in, even if they lose this weekend and will probably be seeded above us at 10-3. Their schedule was murder, they played Alabama, Ole Miss, Texas, Tennessee and Clemson and only 1 of those games was at home, and still won 10 games. No one else has that kind of resume this year.
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And if Clemson loses, it would still be two. I'm not arguing that they don't have a strong resume and you are right in that they have played a very tough schedule. They are 2-3 in those five games you listed, though. It's not like they ran through everybody.
 
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BradstarVols said:
I'd be surprised. Unless GA gets blown out. I don't think they are going to get penalized for playing a game in which we could not reach. To me it doesn't make sense for them to drop below Tennessee if they lose a close game.
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Plus we all know UGA, OSU, and possibly Bama if Clemson loses, will get preferential treatment. Don’t like it but it is what it is.
 
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deatojl said:
And if Clemson loses, it would still be two. I'm not arguing that they don't have a strong resume and you are right in that they have played a very tough schedule. They are 2-3 in those five games you listed, though. It's not like they ran through everybody.
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They are 3-2 in those games. If they lose the SECCG it will be 6 games and they will be 3-3.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
Not if UGA has beaten 3 playoff teams though.
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deatojl said:
I missed one. They have beaten two playoff teams. It is impressive but they would still be a three loss team. Yes, they have the head to head but they would have an additional loss, which would match the number of losses for Alabama and Ole Miss who both have the head to head over Georgia.
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Clemson, if they win would be a playoff team, but they will be ranked well below many other teams.

Don't the losses factor in as well? It has got to be the total record. The argument seems to be that if Georgia was 3-10, because they beat 3 teams in the playoffs they should be in the playoffs and ranked higher that us.

And why aren't they ranked higher than Texas whom they beat? Why - the rankings have always been about what you have done lately not what happened in the past.
 
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And who needs ESPN to stir up thoughts that OSU, Georgia and Texas are better and as such the Vols should not host, which appears to be what some of you really want to happen, I guess because you feel it increases the chances of Tennessee losing so you can go back to complaining about CJH again.

Many of you on here are doing a fine job at making it look like Tennessee doesn't belong and I really don't understand why.

Regardless we'll know this evening if Tennessee is firmly in a hosting spot or still needs help.
 
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The champs games are another data point on your resume in which you get to face quality competition at a neutral site. No more, no less. Trying to insulate teams from any repercussions for a game they play is a dumb talking head thing to do. They should obviously be penalized if they look like trash.
 
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I think a lot of this boils down to brand bias..Texas and Georgia are gonna bring a lot fans and money to the table. Same with Ohio St, Clemson etc. I think we’re gonna need a few years of non blue bloods winning it all before things change
 
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CAVPUT said:
A loss is a loss. No reason to ignore it.
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My only caveat to this is that if a team is in the top 12 in the CFP and plays a top 12 team in their conference CG, then that team should remain in the top 12 regardless of their performance.

Let's imagine for a moment that Clemson didn't lose to USCjr this past weekend. A 2 loss Clemson team could be ranked 11th after today, one spot ahead of Miami, who is the first team out at #12. If Clemson gets trounced by SMU in the title game by 21 points, they shouldn't drop below Miami who is idle.
 
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It should 100% impact a team’s ranking. If you lose, you should go down because if certain teams win, it could also move them up if they beat an elite team.

It makes sense for highest ranked teams that lose to not be punished by remaining “in” the Playoff, but their seeding should change. If a #11-12 or bubble team loses, they should be out.
 
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deatojl said:
And if Clemson loses, it would still be two. I'm not arguing that they don't have a strong resume and you are right in that they have played a very tough schedule. They are 2-3 in those five games you listed, though. It's not like they ran through everybody.
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UGA is 3-2 in those games.
 
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Fatman Photos said:
Need to change to either a 12 season with no championship game or go to a 13 game season with no championship. That way every team plays the same number of games and with 13 games there is more revenue.
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I wish football conference championship games and conference basketball tournaments would be thrown in the garbage can. It cheapens the regular season, adds to too many games, and decreases the chances kids might actually discover the campus has classrooms and a library.
 
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The championship games are wasted effort. Instead of trying to reconcile what happens to the loser just make the championship games the 1st round of the playoffs. Winner moves on, loser is out. Throw in a couple of wild card teams and make them play the same weekend and you have your 6 teams same as now. Leaves out most of the speculation and arguments.
 
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VOLtaism said:
The championship games are wasted effort. Instead of trying to reconcile what happens to the loser just make the championship games the 1st round of the playoffs. Winner moves on, loser is out. Throw in a couple of wild card teams and make them play the same weekend and you have your 6 teams same as now. Leaves out most of the speculation and arguments.
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No conference would agree to treating the conference championship game as a playoff game. It punishes the second best team in the conference, rewards the third and maybe fourth best, and opens up more spots for other conferences to get teams in.
 
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I think you'll see minimal movement. If you "punish" the loser too much, people like Lane Kiffin might throw a late season game to avoid the championship game completely. If you don't move teams at all, the championship games won't matter. Coaches will treat it like a late season NFL game where starters rest and people will stop watching.

I'm expecting the losers to drop 1 or 2 spots.
 
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