LG, will you represent me when I sue the gov't when healthcare passes?

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lawgator1 said:
Do you realize how upside-down your life would be if the U.S. Constitution was interpreted today through the prism of the 18th century?
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Yeah, we'd have limited government, freedom of speech and religion, the right to bear arms, etc.

Crazy, I know.
 
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volsforever27 said:
Yeah, we'd have limited government, freedom of speech and religion, the right to bear arms, etc.

Crazy, I know.
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You'd also have slavery, renegade state militia patrolling the highway borders betwwen states, no due process rights to speak of, and the occassional hanging of certain religious folks, like the Quakers.
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lawgator1 said:
You'd also have slavery, renegade state militia patrolling the highway borders betwwen states, no due process rights to speak of, and the occassional hanging of certain ignorant folks, like the Liberals.
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fyp........I know......I know......I am on your ignor :)
 
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lawgator1 said:
You'd also have slavery, renegade state militia patrolling the highway borders betwwen states, no due process rights to speak of, and the occassional hanging of certain religious folks, like the Quakers.
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Seems to me our government used the amendment process set out by the writers of the constitution to fix these things (at least slavery and due process).
 
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vols4sure said:
Seems to me our government used the amendment process set out by the writers of the constitution to fix these things (at least slavery and due process).
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Not until the second half of the 19th Century as to slavery, and not until then as to application of due process rights to the states.

The irony is that the states so pushed the envelope as to state's rights that the federal government (in terms of identity comprised of the rest of the states, really) took a bunch away from them. At least in the sense of expanding the rights of the individuals within those states.
 
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Hey LG, if the hospitals are not government based operations, then how the hell could it be constitutional?? It wasn't constitutional for them to buy into GM or Chrysler or any other company that they chose to bail out either. The whole point isn't what they can't do, it's what they CAN do. There is no where in the constitution that says that the federal government can compete with private businesses. If it doesn't say that they can, that means they can't. That's the whole point of the Constitution, and honestly I'm tired of Obama and his cronies wiping their asses with it.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Hey LG, if the hospitals are not government based operations, then how the hell could it be constitutional?? It wasn't constitutional for them to buy into GM or Chrysler or any other company that they chose to bail out either. The whole point isn't what they can't do, it's what they CAN do. There is no where in the constitution that says that the federal government can compete with private businesses. If it doesn't say that they can, that means they can't. That's the whole point of the Constitution, and honestly I'm tired of Obama and his cronies wiping their asses with it.
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What's really scary is that so many people think in these terms ... The lack of understanding of what the Constitution actually says, the breadth of it really, is just depressing to me.
 
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lawgator1 said:
What's really scary is that so many people think in these terms ... The lack of understanding of what the Constitution actually says, the breadth of it really, is just depressing to me.
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What are you talking about?? The whole point of the Constitution is to protect the people and limit government's role in their everyday lives. What part of that is hard to understand?? I maybe forced to accept this change that I don't want, but don't think for a minute that the government knows what's best for me or anyone else in this country. If people were fiscally responsible and took care of business with their health issues, then we would be in this mess. They would rather buy their beer and cigarettes and fast food to make sure that they have some decent health insurance. Most of the people that actually qualify for the government based insurance, never even get it. So because of lazy ass people I am supposed to help pay for their insurance, and 12-25 million illegal aliens as well?? If you think that's fair, then there maybe no hope for you. I'm getting ready to change my health insurance to have an HSA to take care of my health business better. Plus, what about all those rich folk that don't have insurance and pay cash for their issues?? Man, this plan is bad all around and there is no way for you to spin it to look better either.
 
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Having spent the better part of the afternoon with my attorney, I am befuddled as to why anyone would ever hire a dim bulb like LG.
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BigPapaVol said:
Having spent the better part of the afternoon with my attorney, I am befuddled as to why anyone would ever hire a dim bulb like LG.
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It is very clear that not many people do judging by the amount of time spent on VN.
 
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T-TownVol said:
It is very clear that not many people do judging by the amount of time spent on VN.
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Forget VN, the time watching Beck and hanging on Limbaugh's every word, ten going to some loony left retardo website to help him with analysis is what spooks me.
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OrangeEmpire said:
Ho has golfed with him, says he looks like the lawya from the Simpsons.
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I would hire the guy from the Simpsons before I would hire LG. Hell, I would not let LG represent me if it was for free. (i was not going to say the other term here on VN)
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
What are you talking about?? The fact that whenever the government acts, the person whose ox is gored notes that the exact words necessary to say its ok to do that are not in the 230 year old document and so therefore it isn't allowed. Idiocy. The whole point of the Constitution is to protect the people and limit government's role in their everyday lives. Again, only an uneducated fool would contend that the exact words "and shall make policy on health insurance" have to be in there to do it. What part of that is hard to understand?? Sadly, none of it in that it is all too common a dodge of the real issues. Happily, the people in charge don't have a third grade understanding of the government and public policy. I maybe forced to accept this change that I don't want, but don't think for a minute that the government knows what's best for me or anyone else in this country. I don't. But I am positive that the people making the bulk of the arguments for the right are making the worst logical arguments, albeit the ones that appeal the most to the lowest common denominator. ible and took care of business with their health issues, then we would be in this mess. They would rather buy their beer and cigarettes and fast food to make sure that they have some decent health insurance. So because of lazy ass people I am supposed to help pay for their insurance, and 12-25 million illegal aliens as well?? Wait. I thought we were all against allowing people to die because of death panels, right? If you think that's fair, then there maybe no hope for you. I'm getting ready to change my health insurance to have an HSA to take care of my health business better. And I as a small business owner am looking at the numbers and realize that in 5-10 years I won't be providing health insurance coverage at all for my employees, if I want to stay in busienss. Plus, what about all those rich folk that don't have insurance and pay cash for their issues?? Man, this plan is bad all around and there is no way for you to spin it to look better either. Only because you are incapable of seeing more than 2 years down the road. But I have faith that when an HSA is no longer an option and your employer offers no coverage, and you have a family member in need of government-sponsored coverage to survive, you may sing a different tune .
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Say, do you have parents or grandparents over the age of 65? Ask them if they are upset that the federal government runs Medicare even though there is no express authorization for it in the U.S. Constitution.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Say, do you have parents or grandparents over the age of 65? Ask them if they are upset that the federal government runs Medicare even though there is no express authorization for it in the U.S. Constitution.
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Of course they are upset, do you know how many billions are lost every year?
 
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The government should NOT give out ANY entitlement programs period LG. If people had all that money that they have paid into the government invested in a mutual fund for health issues, there would be no need for any type of reform. Instead, because people can't be fiscally responsible over the course of their lives, we have to pick up the tab for them too. Yeah, "America, the land of if you don't want to be responsible for yourself, we will find a millionaire to pay for you.". I want to be fiscally responsible for myself, my family, and no one else LG. That's the American Way.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
The government should NOT give out ANY entitlement programs period LG. If people had all that money that they have paid into the government invested in a mutual fund for health issues, there would be no need for any type of reform. Instead, because people can't be fiscally responsible over the course of their lives, we have to pick up the tab for them too. Yeah, "America, the land of if you don't want to be responsible for yourself, we will find a millionaire to pay for you.". I want to be fiscally responsible for myself, my family, and no one else LG. That's the American Way.
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So you don't drive on the roads everyone chipped in to pay for? You never rely on police or fire services and never would? You did not go to public school? The University of Tennessee is a socialist institution?
 
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