Locker on E:60 last night

#26
#26
HSVol said:
:rtfm:I didn't say that. In fact, I did say this:



What makes you think Joe Flacco could go from FCS Delaware to winning playoff games as a rookie?

How did Brett Favre go from career 53% passer in college to a HOF career?

How did Mike Vick overcome the following stat line?
1999 - Passing: 58.8% 1840yds 12TD 5 Int., Rushing: 110-580yds 8TD
2000 - Passing: 54.2% 1439yds 9TD 7 Int., Rushing: 113-636yds 9TD

Time will tell. If he's great, he'll be great. If not, we're in trouble. I prefer to be optimisitic, but realize he could fail.

Sheesh!
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Flacco is a game manager, they rely on the running game and defense. When have the Ravens relied on him to win a playoff game?
 
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#27
GahLee said:
He was running for his life because he cant read a defense and if his first option wasn't open , he was running.
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Have to agree. Was the main thing I noticed watching him scrimmage last week. He ran for the sidelines what seemed like every other play. It was hard to watch. When he did throw, as others have mentioned here, he was highly inaccurate.

I give him a 10% chance to be halfway decent, 90% to be a total bust.
 
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GahLee said:
Not sure you ever said he was going to be a future HOF player, just used HOF players to make a comparision as to why he may have success.
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justingroves asked who had been successful that had a similar style as Locker.

Obviously, I used successful, well-known players in the argument. I also used players that aren't HOFers, but also had nice careers, like Steve McNair.
 
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volfanjustin said:
Flacco is a game manager, they rely on the running game and defense. When have the Ravens relied on him to win a playoff game?
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Flacco is not a game manager, they are a defensive minded team for sure, and they pound the rock, but Flacco is better than that.
 
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HSVol said:
justingroves asked who had been successful that had a similar style as Locker.

Obviously, I used successful, well-known players in the argument. I also used players that aren't HOFers, but also had nice careers, like Steve McNair.
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I don't see the similarities between any of the players you have mentioned and Jake Locker, I would say he is closer to Alex Smith and Tim Tebow.
 
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#33
I remember people saying Mike Griffin was a horrible pick. I remember people saying Chris Johnson was a stretch as a first rounder and would be a bust. I had a friend tell me Joseph Addai would be a bust....sigh, it gets old.

Predicting what players will be good in the league is like playing blindfolded darts. I highly doubt anyone on here watched Locker play more than 1 game in his college career, hell they aren't even on TV in the south. Most people downgrade draft picks by simply regurgitating what Kiper or McShay said on ESPN (He's not accurate, etc.)

I'm sure Brady was too skinny, no arm strength, not accurate, etc when he was taken in the 6th round.
 
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GahLee said:
Did you ever watch him play?
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Forgive me for not trusting your assessment on someone's ability to read defenses. You spend a lot of time breaking down cut-ups of UW games?

I prefer to see how he performs on Sundays, as a full-time starter, before making an ultimate judgment and fully expect he's going to struggle at first. Hopefully he improves in time.
 
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#35
Muschump said:
Agree again. Poor mans Tim Tebow.
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Maybe a rich mans Tim Tebow, He is a better athlete than Tebow I think and doesn't have that completely screwed up throwing motion.

I would be willing to bet that his career is on par with Alex Smith's.
 
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Jestes311 said:
I remember people saying Mike Griffin was a horrible pick. I remember people saying Chris Johnson was a stretch as a first rounder and would be a bust. I had a friend tell me Joseph Addai would be a bust....sigh, it gets old.

Predicting what players will be good in the league is like playing blindfolded darts. I highly doubt anyone on here watched Locker play more than 1 game in his college career, hell they aren't even on TV in the south. Most people downgrade draft picks by simply regurgitating what Kiper or McShay said on ESPN (He's not accurate, etc.)

I'm sure Brady was too skinny, no arm strength, not accurate, etc when he was taken in the 6th round.
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I Jake Locker was picked in the 6th round, he would be a great pick, as a top 10 pick? Terrible.
 
#37
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GahLee said:
I don't see the similarities between any of the players you have mentioned and Jake Locker, I would say he is closer to Alex Smith and Tim Tebow.
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Well, I posted an NFL.com blog from Pat Kirwin comparing him to Steve Young and a USA Today article comparing him to Favre. So I didn't make that up.

I'll take PK's opinion over GahLee's. :eek:k: And PK said Young was the ceiling, not the expectation.
 
#38
#38
HSVol said:
Forgive me for not trusting your assessment on someone's ability to read defenses. You spend a lot of time breaking down cut-ups of UW games?

I prefer to see how he performs on Sundays, as a full-time starter, before making an ultimate judgment and fully expect he's going to struggle at first. Hopefully he improves in time.
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Forgive yourself for thinking that a guy who couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat while in college is going to be worth his salt now that the level of competition has risen dramatically, along with the coaching and the stakes.
 
#41
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HSVol said:
Well, I posted an NFL.com blog from Pat Kirwin comparing him to Steve Young and a USA Today article comparing him to Favre. So I didn't make that up.

I'll take PK's opinion over GahLee's. :eek:k: And PK said Young was the ceiling, not the expectation.
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Same was said about Alex Smith I'm sure.
 
#42
#42
GahLee said:
I Jake Locker was picked in the 6th round, he would be a great pick, as a top 10 pick? Terrible.
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your opinion and this is yet to be seen, yes?

I bet you said CJ was a horrible pick too. I know you wont admit it now, but you did. You're clearly a hater.
 
#45
#45
GahLee said:
All you had to do is watch about a half of one of his college games, any of the ones where he compleed about 40% of his passes.
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You're right. One half of a game is clearly enough time to make a comprehensive assessment of a player.
 
#46
#46
Jestes311 said:
your opinion and this is yet to be seen, yes?

I bet you said CJ was a horrible pick too. I know you wont admit it now, but you did. You're clearly a hater.
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Not a hater, I like ths kid, seems like a good guy, I just highly doubt he is worth anything in the NFL.

I'm sure you were in that long line of people who just knew that CJ was going to run for 2,000 yards.

Give me a break. There is no comparision to be made, you miss on CJ, big deal, you miss on Locker and you have set your franchise back 5 years.
 
#47
#47
GahLee said:
Flacco is not a game manager, they are a defensive minded team for sure, and they pound the rock, but Flacco is better than that.
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Maybe slightly better, they are not winning games especially playoff games due to him throwing the ball.
 
#49
#49
volfanjustin said:
And you probably said VY was a great pick.
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Nah I wanted Cutler, not sure that would have been all that much better.

Enough with this pissing contest. I'm off the the hockey boards where people don't troll just for the sake of trolling.
 
#50
#50
It's ok for people to doubt. It's also ok for people to be optimistic.

I don't see any point in having a miserable outlook. It's too expensive to go to the games and hate being there, IMO. My expectations are low, but I'm still excited to see the guy develop.

He has the physical skills and all the intangibles. The mental game is where he'll have to improve. He's got a good teacher in Hasselbeck. Honestly, Locker is in a good situation for him to grow and develop. And the reports from camp are pretty good and that his accuracy isn't as big an obstacle as they thought it would be. He still a little erratic, but it'll take time to correct, if it can be corrected.

But this is all in fun and I particularly enjoy the discussion. There are legitimate reasons to have concerns. I do have them. But I just want to see how he pans out before totally writing him off.

That said, he throws at least one INT on Saturday.
 
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