Locker on E:60 last night

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Dang this thread took off.

You can't really compare Locker to anybody else. He's pretty unique. I'd say he is a cross between Steve Young and Tim Tebow, but not accurate.
 
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HSVol said:
John Elway? Steve Young? Mike Vick? Steve McNair? Brett Favre? Shoot, if VY wasn't a mental dumpster fire, he'd still be a Titan. Note, I'm not saying that Locker is a future HOFer, but his style of play has been successful before and it will be successful again.
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None of those guys were as bad, accuracy wise, as Locker with the exception of Favre.

You're a delusional homer, but that's okay because you're a fan.
 
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justingroves said:
None of those guys were as bad, accuracy wise, as Locker with the exception of Favre.

You're a delusional homer, but that's okay because you're a fan.
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:lolabove:

So, point to where I said he'd be successful or even come close to those guys.

I was participating within the context of the discussion. Mobile quarterbacks who have had success in the NFL was the premise. Never did I say he would be a franchise QB. As I've said, time and time again, that it's a wait-and-see proposition. In fact, I have stated that if the Titans are in a position to draft Andrew Luck, you don't pass on that opportunity. Personally, I hope they're never in that position and that Locker is the guy. Is he? I don't know.

If taking a wait-and-see approach instead of automatically dismissing Locker's chances to develop into a franchise QB makes me bat $#!* crazy, well, then I guess I am. :crazy:
 
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HSVol said:
I was participating within the context of the discussion. Mobile quarterbacks who have had success in the NFL was the premise.
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This was the actual premise:

HSVol said:
I think there are plenty examples of those with his style whom did succeed, as well.
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I didn't know you meant "mobile QB's" by that. Style means more to me than just pocket vs mobile. Like I said, I wouldn't put Locker in a category with anybody else. Just like Tebow and Newton, his skill set is pretty unique.
 
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Well, then that's my fault for not specifically stating "mobile" QB. I thought that was understood. My apologies.

I mean, I don't know what the big deal is. I've already got a bronze bust of his head on the mantle at my house. He's a surefire HOFer. Is that jumping the gun a little? :crazy:
 
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HSVol said:
Mobile quarterbacks who have had success in the NFL was the premise.
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I never said a word about "mobile" QBs.

It's his horrible completion percentage and inability to read a D.

There aren't many QBs that go from a 55% completion rate to even decent NFL QB.
 
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Jestes311 said:
I remember people saying Mike Griffin was a horrible pick. I remember people saying Chris Johnson was a stretch as a first rounder and would be a bust. I had a friend tell me Joseph Addai would be a bust....sigh, it gets old.

Predicting what players will be good in the league is like playing blindfolded darts. I highly doubt anyone on here watched Locker play more than 1 game in his college career, hell they aren't even on TV in the south. Most people downgrade draft picks by simply regurgitating what Kiper or McShay said on ESPN (He's not accurate, etc.)

I'm sure Brady was too skinny, no arm strength, not accurate, etc when he was taken in the 6th round.
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No it's not.
 
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justingroves said:
I never said a word about "mobile" QBs.

It's his horrible completion percentage and inability to read a D.

There aren't many QBs that go from a 55% completion rate to even decent NFL QB.
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I understand everything you've said, but my reply was in reference to his style of play. He is obviously a mobile QB. That's his style of play. That is unquestionable. The guy nearly had 1000 yards rushing his freshman year. and had (off the top of my head) 13 rushing TDs his Jr and Sr years. He is a mobile quarterback.

I don't dispute any of your other points, either. All I'm saying is that I'd like to see how he performs at the pro level before writing him off.





...And this was what I responded to:

HSVol said:
I think there are plenty examples of those with his style whom did succeed, as well.
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justingroves said:
Name them.
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HSVol said:
I understand everything you've said, but my reply was in reference to his style of play. He is obviously a mobile QB. That's his style of play. That is unquestionable. The guy nearly had 1000 yards rushing his freshman year. and had (off the top of my head) 13 rushing TDs his Jr and Sr years. He is a mobile quarterback.:
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In the interest of accuracy:

986 yards rushing his frosh year, but only 797 yards the next 3 seasons (maybe due to injuries, but either way he ain't running like he used to). 3.9 YPC for his career. 2.7 YPC the last 2 seasons.

He did have 13 rush TD's his junior and senior season combined (don't know if you were saying each year, or what).
 
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nbakerld said:
In the interest of accuracy:

986 yards rushing his frosh year, but only 797 yards the next 3 seasons (maybe due to injuries, but either way he ain't running like he used to). 3.9 YPC for his career. 2.7 YPC the last 2 seasons.

He did have 13 rush TD's his junior and senior season combined (don't know if you were saying each year, or what).
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Injured sophomore year.

Jr and Sr years there was a coaching change (from Willingham to Sark). Last two seasons were in a pro-style offense. I don't recall what offense Willingham ran. Someone else will have to chime in on that.
 
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HSVol said:
Injured sophomore year.

Jr and Sr years there was a coaching change (from Willingham to Sark). Last two seasons were in a pro-style offense. I don't recall what offense Willingham ran. Someone else will have to chime in on that.
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Sarkesian was probably the best thing that could've happened to him. If Willingham didn't run a pro-style offense maybe that means Locker should get more benefit of the doubt.
 
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So, this is a supporting document with comments from Sarkisian. However, the writer, Jerry Brewer is a huge Locker supporter so it's definitely got a favorable slant. He's a Seattle Times reporter that just left Nashville doing a story on Hasselbeck and Locker.

Counting the reasons to like Jake Locker (Part 2): Upside | Seattle Times Mobile

Also, hybrid spread from Willingham.

...And...From the article...

Joe Montana's completion % at ND: 52.3%.

Sorry, couldn't resist. :)
 
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HSVol said:
So, this is a supporting document with comments from Sarkisian. However, the writer, Jerry Brewer is a huge Locker supporter so it's definitely got a favorable slant. He's a Seattle Times reporter that just left Nashville doing a story on Hasselbeck and Locker.

Counting the reasons to like Jake Locker (Part 2): Upside | Seattle Times Mobile

Also, hybrid spread from Willingham.

...And...From the article...

Joe Montana's completion % at ND: 52.3%.

Sorry, couldn't resist. :)
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Different era. I imagine if Locker were doing 55% in the 70s he'd be in pretty good shape. Marino was 57%. Boomer 54%. Different era.
 
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nbakerld said:
Different era. I imagine if Locker were doing 55% in the 70s he'd be in pretty good shape. Marino was 57%. Boomer 54%. Different era.
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That's sort of true in terms of the evolution of collegiate offensive schemes, but I'm not sure that's relevant in this context. Admittedly, I don't know anything about the offenses they ran at ND, Pitt, etc, but they still were throwing the ball downfield with questionable accuracy. Montana and Marino were career pocket passers, so I don't think they were running the option or the Wing T in college. Maybe the wishbone and Power I, but the mechanics of throwing the football with accuracy haven't changed all that much. It's a pass/catch equation here, IMO.

I mean, Montana still ran the West Coast offense in San Fran under Bill Walsh (as did Boomer in Cincy, IIRC), and Marino slung it all over the field in Miami. I'm not sure how your statement really changes the conversation. However, I welcome your counterpoint.

We really have no clue how this will all turn out. All I know is that Locker needs to be successful for the Titans' sake. Missing on consecutive high first round QBs will set the team back for a decade. Pretty obvious that the fans (or the team) don't want that.
 
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