Lockout may be close to over

#26
#26
I really don't know why, just rubbed me the wrong way.
HSVol said:
May I ask why? I understand a lot of people dislike the notion of "millionaires vs billionaires" fighting over billions of dollars, and I don't like it, either. But it doesn't look like we're going to miss any games. No biggie, just wondering. I never bought into the notion we'd miss games.

Seems like the the next 55 days are going to be nuts with free agency spilling into camp. Pretty excting to think of the possibilities, IMO. I'm pumped to see what happens in free agency. It's going to be chaos!
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Didn't see this thread. I tried to get this convo started up again in the "will they miss games" thread.
I'm excited for this free agency. Fri-Sun will be the three day period where they can resign current players, then FA will be nuts. Fourth year players will be UFAs, and that will/could all start on Monday. It's about to get really fun.
I'm just afraid for my team that we will lose either DeAngelo Williams or Charles Johnson.
 
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It really is going to be two weeks like no other.

Silver lining of the lockout is that the it will make for the most interesting July/August in NFL history. Usually it's pretty boring even though camp has started up, but this is going to be craaaazy. Really going to be fun to follow because it'll be so unpredictable. I have no idea what the Titans roster is going to look like next Friday.

And Jones' quote was classic.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What did he say/do?
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Something to the tune of the lockout being a "mosquito circumcision away from being over."

BTW, I will now take credit for being the first person in VN history to use the word circumcision in a sentence without Tim Tebow in that same sentence.
 
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milohimself said:
Something to the tune of the lockout being a "mosquito circumcision away from being over."

BTW, I will now take credit for being the first person in VN history to use the word circumcision in a sentence without Tim Tebow in that same sentence.
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I used it earlier today, jussayin' :)
 
#34
#34
So... Now what? Are these jackasses actually going to do anything?
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#35
Owners scheduled to vote by 5:30 PM

Players tenatively schedule conference call with executive committee at 8 PM for vote
 
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Escape Goat said:
Im betting the players end up prolonging this ordeal.
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Depends on some of the language....there are certain things the owners/league needs met to continue having their antitrust protection, among other preventative qualities the league had, due in part to their union

....the worry about "the players not reunionizing" is pretty bull though; the amount complaining are pretty minimal....for it all not to go through, more than half the players would have to be against forming a union again, not just 20-30


Now the litigation issues and settlements are a different issue
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#38
#38
Owners have approved the proposed CBA with a vote of 31-0-1, with Oakland not voting.

Deal is for 10 years with no opt out
HoF game canceled
Team buildings open Saturday, new league year could start the 27th.
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#39
#39
Off by two weeks but close enough considering how long the lockout lasted. Just glad we'll have football.

I think all of the people claiming they won't watch anymore are full of it. They'll be back by week 5 at the latest.

This is assuming the players vote yes. I think they will but who knows.
 
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Burhead said:
Owners have approved the proposed CBA with a vote of 31-0-1, with Oakland not voting.

Deal is for 10 years with no opt out
HoF game canceled
Team buildings open Saturday, new league year could start the 27th.
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Why'd Davis/Oakland not vote?
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#41
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I get the feeling the "no opt out" might be the only thing that might bother anyone

Conference call within the hour though, so we should know this evening
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#43
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Lockout -- NFL owners approve proposed labor agreement - ESPN

NFL owners voted to approve the proposed labor agreement with the NFL Players Association on Thursday, putting the potential end of the league's lockout in the hands of the players -- who might vote on the proposed deal Thursday night.

Owners voted 31-0 to accept the proposed 10-year collective bargaining agreement, with the Oakland Raiders abstaining, sources told ESPN's Sal Paolantonio. Sources told ESPN.com's John Clayton that the owners have notified the players they would accept this deal contingent on all union matters being resolved next week, and the players' association being reconstituted as a union.

The likely start of training camps is estimated to be Aug. 1, sources said. The new 10-year CBA has no opt-out clauses for either side, meaning there will be labor peace until 2021 if the NFLPA ratifies the deal.

Commissioner Roger Goodell announced at a news conference in Atlanta shortly after the completion of the vote that the league has canceled the Aug. 7 Hall of Fame preseason game between the St. Louis Rams and Chicago Bears.

Goodell said team training facilities would open Saturday and the new league year would begin next Wednesday, contingent on the NFLPA's recertification.

NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith and Goodell on Thursday were working to impose certain conditions to immediately lift the lockout if the two sides approve a deal tonight, according to sources.

Shortly after results of the owners' vote was announced, Smith told ESPN that team representatives would examine the agreement.

"It puts the onus on players to make a decision to agree; paints us into a corner with fans," a high-ranking NFLPA executive committee member said. "We'll discuss tonight but the idea of reconstituting as a union as never been a slam dunk as the owners have already assumed."

Another high-ranking NFLPA official said: "We are not happy here. We had to honor to not vote on an agreement that was not final (Wednesday). This is not over. This actually takes away incentives from players to vote yes tonight."

Earlier Thursday, the NFLPA had scheduled an 8 p.m. ET conference call with its executive committee and player reps to decide whether to accept an approved settlement from owners, and how to start the voting process for the 1,900 players who have to decide if they want to vote in a recertified union.

In an email to the player representatives of the 32 NFL teams, the NFLPA said the NFL's proposed procedure for finalizing a settlement included the following:

• Demands that players re-form as a union and provide evidence by Tuesday, July 26 that a majority of players have signed union authorization cards.

• Requires that the players also vote by Tuesday, July 26 to ratify a proposed CBA that would contain virtually all of the provisions of the old CBA along with the non-CBA items that class counsel and the NFL have agreed to in the Brady mediation.

• Gives the players only three days -- Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday of next week -- to try to bargain any changes to the old CBA. Any such changes would have to be agreed to by the owners in order to be incorporated into the Agreement, which would then become final on Saturday, July 30. If the NFL does not agree to the players' proposed changes, the old CBA terms on benefits, discipline, safety, etc. will remain unchanged for another ten years.

NFLPA sources say league lawyers Bob Batterman and Gregg Levy were pushing for the condition that the lockout remain in effect until the players recertify as a union. However, there was more dialogue between Goodell and Smith throughout the day to build a trust that in the event the players approve the agreement later Thursday, the lockout could be immediately lifted if the players also agree to re-certify as a union.

Smith said the decision to recertify as a union wouldn't be taken lightly, just as the choice to decertify in March was taken seriously "because we were a real union" -- taking a shot at owners' claims that the NFLPA's decertification was a "sham."

"The decision to decertify as a union was a significant one," Smith said. "Every individual person has to make a decision on whether they want to become part of a union. The individual decisions are something that our players take extremely serious."

The players were unable to negotiate a one-time only application of the franchise tag, which is something that was of particular interest to the plaintiffs in the Brady vs. NFL antitrust case.

An NFLPA official said: "Are we happy with that result? No. Is it worth hanging up a deal with 1,900 players? No. The tag has had very few multiple uses and does carry some financial rewards for players. Not allowing more transition tags, via right of first refusal, was a big victory. That would have impact more free agents than franchise tags."
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Burhead said:
Maybe to be Al Davis? Looks like the players aren't happy and will not approve current deal.
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Let's hope they agree to it.

They got one thing right...

"It puts the onus on players to make a decision to agree; paints us into a corner with fans,"
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I was always on the owners side personally. People can call it jealousy if they want but the players are fairly compensated and I have no sympathy for them when the rest of hard working folk are struggling to make a living. I know they help the NFL make all of that money but they make more than enough to make a living. You don't see Walmart and McDonald employees saying "We deserve more because they make billions and couldn't function without us". Obviously it's not the same thing as playing football but football players also don't make 8 dollars an hour. 400,000 to 20 million or whatever they make is more than enough. Take it or leave it in my opinion. I'm not going to feel sorry for them because a lot of them piss away their money and don't find the right people to invest it for them. They should just be happy they have the extra money to invest in general. The average family(husband and wife combined) makes like 50,000 a year. The average NFL player probably has that much in his bank account. Five times over...
 
#48
#48
This is quickly becoming outright stupid. If the owners are really this ballsy to try what they are being accused of, then just wow.
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#49
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John Clayton said some good stuff about all this (maybe if he writes up an article later I'll post it)

Pretty much said though that (as I understood it) this is what everyone (even many involved) expected to initially happen, despite how surprised some of the owners have been/seemed/acted in response
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#50
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I still stand by my original thoughts.

Accept the deal or miss your mansion payments.

I get not wanting to be walked all over but this is just how the world works. The NBA is currently hemorrhaging money. Some owners have lost like 200 million on top of of the 300 million they paid to buy the franchise. I know the NFL doesn't have this problem but money isn't always guaranteed and owners are the ones funding the league and paying the players salaries. Where else are the players going to make the salaries they make? Why should the players get their way and get all of the guaranteed money they want? There is no guaranteed profit for businesses owners that invested their money. If you're not happy with 5 million a year while everyone else is lucky to make 50,000 a year, f you. If they want half the profits, they should move to a communist country. I don't think there is a single person here who would work their whole life and throw down half of their life's earnings(or more) to start a business and let the employees demand how you spend your money.
 
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