LOI buyout

#26
#26
tri_vol said:
Overstating a bit. If they are good enough to play in the NBA, they will get their minutes and scouts will see them. It's not like UT transferred its basketball program to an NAIA conference. They will still be in the SEC and Martin is going to play the best players even if he didn't recruit them.
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I totally agree with this and I don't care which college you go too ... these kids need to learn if you sign a paper or contract its a binding agreement ... if you know a coach is in some sort of trouble that "could" lead to dismissal then as a player its "buyer beware" ... and if they have the ability to make it to the NBA and they sign that contract do you expect the club to release them if they decide they do not like the coach they have? This isn't high school where you can just transfer to the school across town for playing time.
 
#27
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orangepeopleeater said:
I totally agree with this and I don't care which college you go too ... these kids need to learn if you sign a paper or contract its a binding agreement ... if you know a coach is in some sort of trouble that "could" lead to dismissal then as a player its "buyer beware" ... and if they have the ability to make it to the NBA and they sign that contract do you expect the club to release them if they decide they do not like the coach they have? This isn't high school where you can just transfer to the school across town for playing time.
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so i assume you were against malik jackson tranferring to Tenn?
 
#28
#28
trevols81 said:
Horrible idea.

These kids should NEVER sign a LOI. It is completely binding to the player and it gives the university all the leverage to manuver out of it if they choose.
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It is completely binding to the school and the kid. Calling MH and asking out of their NLI is not the way to go about it. These kids think they're above the rules. The parents and the kids evidently do not understand what they are doing, and it is all right there on the website- National Letter of Intent. IMHO, if they don't want to come to UT, I think Coach Martin will release them. He said he would. But damn, just make the kids follow the rules. Is that too much to ask?:banghead2:
 
#29
#29
he was lied to by the AD and you think this kid owes something to tenn for what exacty?
 
#30
#30
A LOI buyout for 25% of the worth of a scholarship, eh? Well, since UT is an out-of-state institution for most of the guys, that amounts to around $80k.

And, if I do my math right, that 25% buyout would equate to around $20k. Does anyone really expect a recruit's parents to come up with $20,000?
 
#34
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droski said:
he was lied to by the AD and you think this kid owes something to tenn for what exacty?
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not he wasn't

droski said:
so i assume you were against malik jackson tranferring to Tenn?
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different scenario

orangepeopleeater said:
I believe they all should be held accountable for their actions and if they already played a year from their scholarships let them set out a year before resuming playing time.
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do you know who Malik is and where he came from?
 
#35
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orangepeopleeater said:
I believe they all should be held accountable for their actions and if they already played a year from their scholarships let them set out a year before resuming playing time.
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so to be clear you think jackson shouldn't have played for tenn this year?
 
#39
#39
droski said:
so i assume you were against malik jackson tranferring to Tenn?
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Isn't that a different situation? Thought he got a release because of NCAA penalties not Carroll leaving. There is a big difference between major sanctions and a coach leaving.
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#40
#40
utvolpj said:
he signed in Nov. There was every indication Pearl would be back next year



the NCAA ruled they were to be let out. I am unaware of any such ruling with Ware/Jones
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understood, but he's supposed to now give the AD and new coach the benefit of the doubt? do you blame him for not trusting either?

yes, but which is a greater betrayal to the university by the student?
 
#41
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VolClass75 said:
Jackson and Wares situation is totally different. USC was put on probation by the NCAA. UT is not on probation yet. When that happens, the same rules will apply.:rock:
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The more I think about it, the more that I think that they are somewhat similar. Jackson signed with USC when they weren't on probation, but they had an NCAA investigation going on. Ware signed with Tennessee when they weren't on probation, but there was an NCAA investigation going on.

Both should have been let out of their LOI, IMO. And Malik Jackson was.
 
#42
#42
tri_vol said:
Isn't that a different situation? Thought he got a release because of NCAA penalties not Carroll leaving. There is a big difference between major sanctions and a coach leaving.
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and there is a big difference between letting a kid out of an loi and a guy transfering after 3 years in the program.
 
#43
#43
KingNick865 said:
The more I think about it, the more that I think that they are somewhat similar. Jackson signed with USC when they weren't on probation, but they had an NCAA investigation going on. Ware signed with Tennessee when they weren't on probation, but there was an NCAA investigation going on.

Both should have been let out of their LOI, IMO. And Malik Jackson was.
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And I think Ware will be too, when Tennessee is put on probation.
 
#44
#44
I read the thread title and thought to myself, "Self, does someone on here really want to charge kids $20K to get out of a National Letter of INTENT." If that's really what this thread was going to be about, I wasn't going to even bother with such an absurdity. However, I gave the OP the benefit of the doubt. Boy, was I an idiot!

For you to even fathom the idea that kids, who are amateur athletes (BTW, amateur means they don't make money doing what they do) should be responsible for ANY financial restitution to a university, even if that university didn't lie to them, is beyond delusional. Do you know what UT's endowment is? It is over 1 Billion dollars! If you want to make money for the University, how about let's find an AD that doesn't give a west coast coach an 80K buyout.

A large portion of these kids come from broken homes below the poverty line. I am here saying nothing of Ware and Jones. I don't know their respective situations and I don't pretend to. However, many of these kids are from lower income households. How could you possibly expect a kid like that to come up with 20K? And for what? To teach him a lesson? Oh, okay. Because having to sit out a year isn't enough punishment if he chooses to transfer. Dude, turn on your brain box and take off the Orange colored glasses.

BTW, the Malik Jackson situation is completely different. Tennessee didn't recruit him before the NCAA allowed any of USC's upperclassmen to transfer without penalty. Malik was a rising junior, not a HS kid who had just turned in his LOI.

Sorry for the long post and the rant, but this might be the most ridiculous suggestion ever on this site.
 
#45
#45
KingNick865 said:
The more I think about it, the more that I think that they are somewhat similar. Jackson signed with USC when they weren't on probation, but they had an NCAA investigation going on. Ware signed with Tennessee when they weren't on probation, but there was an NCAA investigation going on.

Both should have been let out of their LOI, IMO. And Malik Jackson was.
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Malik was allowed to transfer not let out of his LOI. The ruling was because of the penalties imposed on USC and not because their coach left

droski said:
understood, but he's supposed to now give the AD and new coach the benefit of the doubt? do you blame him for not trusting either?

yes, but which is a greater betrayal to the university by the student?
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hell he trusted Pearl and look where that got him.

no one is saying that he will not get a release. All they are asking is that he meet with the new coach first. Everything beyond that is speculation
 
#47
#47
utvolpj said:
hell he trusted Pearl and look where that got him.

no one is saying that he will not get a release. All they are asking is that he meet with the new coach first. Everything beyond that is speculation
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my point exactly. do you blame the kid for not wanting to trust anyone associated with the university?

actually many people here seem to be arguing he shouldn't be getting a release.
 
#48
#48
utvolpj said:
Malik was allowed to transfer not let out of his LOI. The ruling was because of the penalties imposed on USC and not because their coach left
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Forgot about that.

And just when I was starting to be able to forget all that probation stuff, you bring it right back up.
 
#49
#49
VolClass75 said:
Jackson and Wares situation is totally different. USC was put on probation by the NCAA. UT is not on probation yet. When that happens, the same rules will apply.:rock:
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This ... Malik Jackson is a transfer from USC that plays DE ... he also is from California ... I believe a lot of the fans of other college's are so upset because they believe if they can get their release that they have a shot at them ... all I have been saying is if you go buy a car and its as is ... are you going to sign the papers a year before hearing it run.
 
#50
#50
droski said:
my point exactly. do you blame the kid for not wanting to trust anyone associated with the university?

actually many people here seem to be arguing he shouldn't be getting a release.
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actually I would trust the people there now more than the ex coach but that's just me. No one lied to him as they told him the truth as it was that day.

it is not my intention to argue he shouldn't be released. I just don't think what's being asked of him to secure that release is outrageous
 
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