LOI buyout

#52
#52
utvolpj said:
Malik was allowed to transfer not let out of his LOI. The ruling was because of the penalties imposed on USC and not because their coach left



hell he trusted Pearl and look where that got him.

no one is saying that he will not get a release. All they are asking is that he meet with the new coach first. Everything beyond that is speculation
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I do not understand why people don't understand that if Ware will follow the rules, he will probably be released. Hell if Pearl had followed the rules, he would still be here.
 
#53
#53
utvolpj said:
it is not my intention to argue he shouldn't be released. I just don't think what's being asked of him to secure that release is outrageous
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i agree it doesn't sound like a big deal, but i'm not the player. if i was in his shoes i might feel the same way. if the kid has made up his mind, i don't see any reason to force him to meet the coach.
 
#54
#54
orangepeopleeater said:
This ... Malik Jackson is a transfer from USC that plays DE ... he also is from California ... I believe a lot of the fans of other college's are so upset because they believe if they can get their release that they have a shot at them ... all I have been saying is if you go buy a car and its as is ... are you going to sign the papers a year before hearing it run.
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That was his decision, he could have waited. He just didn't want all those salesmen to keep calling.
 
#55
#55
droski said:
i agree it doesn't sound like a big deal, but i'm not the player. if i was in his shoes i might feel the same way. if the kid has made up his mind, i don't see any reason to force him to meet the coach.
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well by the rules UT has him by the short hairs. Seems like a small price to pay but who knows his reasoning
 
#56
#56
VolClass75 said:
It is completely binding to the school and the kid. Calling MH and asking out of their NLI is not the way to go about it. These kids think they're above the rules. The parents and the kids evidently do not understand what they are doing, and it is all right there on the website- National Letter of Intent. IMHO, if they don't want to come to UT, I think Coach Martin will release them. He said he would. But damn, just make the kids follow the rules. Is that too much to ask?:banghead2:
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First of all, I am all for the wait and at least talk to coach Zo before the release is granted.

Secondly, for high school seniors who are being recruited to play basketball, I think it is completely dumb to sign in the 'early' period like both Jones and Ware did. Especially if you are signing to play for a coach and a program that is most certainly about to be hit with violations by the 'AA.

Third, the 'contract' a player signs is one sided. It forces the player to stay committed to a school regardless if the situation has changed completely from the time they signed the LOI to the time they enroll in school. If a coach doesn't see a player developing in a timely fashion to be a viable part of his team or a new coach doesn't want to inherit a player or two from the previous coach then they can choose to deny a scholarship after one academic year. Is that enough explaination for you?
 
#57
#57
when you messing with Athletics in a college your messing with a million and billion dollar industry ... all I'm saying is kids you better know what your getting into before you sign the paper ...
 
#59
#59
trevols81 said:
First of all, I am all for the wait and at least talk to coach Zo before the release is granted.

Secondly, for high school seniors who are being recruited to play basketball, I think it is completely dumb to sign in the 'early' period like both Jones and Ware did. Especially if you are signing to play for a coach and a program that is most certainly about to be hit with violations by the 'AA.

Third, the 'contract' a player signs is one sided. It forces the player to stay committed to a school regardless if the situation has changed completely from the time they signed the LOI to the time they enroll in school. If a coach doesn't see a player developing in a timely fashion to be a viable part of his team or a new coach doesn't want to inherit a player or two from the previous coach then they can choose to deny a scholarship after one academic year. Is that enough explaination for you?
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We are in total agreement on your first two points, which are really all this thread is about. The third is the LOI vs. the scholarship agreement. The old scholarships were for four years, but that was completely in the athletes favor. Now they are one year, which is in the school's favor, although I haven't seen too many athlete's scholarships not be renewed if they performed halfway decent. I don't what you do there. The LOI merely locks the kid in until scholarship papers are signed. And he gets some peace of mind, and peace to a certain extent, in that the phone calls and letters of recruitment stop (or at least they are suppose to).
 
#60
#60
orangepeopleeater said:
when you messing with Athletics in a college your messing with a million and billion dollar industry ... all I'm saying is kids you better know what your getting into before you sign the paper ...
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Yeah, because Kevin Ware is really messing up UT's merchandise and ticket sales.
 
#61
#61
trevols81 said:
Third, the 'contract' a player signs is one sided. It forces the player to stay committed to a school regardless if the situation has changed completely from the time they signed the LOI to the time they enroll in school. If a coach doesn't see a player developing in a timely fashion to be a viable part of his team or a new coach doesn't want to inherit a player or two from the previous coach then they can choose to deny a scholarship after one academic year. Is that enough explaination for you?
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how is it one-sided? Could UT just void the LOI if these were players the new coach didn't want?
 
#62
#62
peeps...As soon as the uni is informed of the probation and it's repercussions

against the team...any and all loi's involving that sport are null and void...period...

they'll be able to go anywhere they want...hopefully the ncaa won't wait too long

as to where it may effect where the kids can get in...remember they are kids...
 
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#64
#64
utvolpj said:
how is it one-sided? Could UT just void the LOI if these were players the new coach didn't want?
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Bad choice of words. UT would have to honor the LOI for exactly one year. Coincidentally, the player would have to sit out a year if they choose not to honor the LOI. Either way the player basically loses a year of eligibility.

Which comes back to my original point of why did these players, Ware and Jones, sign their LOIs in the early signing period when they knew there was a looming ongoing NCAA investigation.
 
#65
#65
deehop said:
They shouldnt have to meet the new coach if they have chosen to go elsewhere. The school should release them in this circumstance.
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I think it's pretty ridiculous to think they shouldn't have to at least meet with coach martin. After that if they want out then let them go.
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#67
#67
VolMaster14 said:
How bout if the coach is fired or quits, the player can be allowed out of his LOI!! It's not the players fault! I'm sick of the NCAA and universities taking advantage of these kids!
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How about if a coaching change occurs, the entire program is disbanded, and the new coach gets to start all over by hiring a new staff and going out to find players that are all his own and want to come play specifically for him?
 
#68
#68
trevols81 said:
Bad choice of words. UT would have to honor the LOI for exactly one year. Coincidentally, the player would have to sit out a year if they choose not to honor the LOI. Either way the player basically loses a year of eligibility.

Which comes back to my original point of why did these players, Ware and Jones, sign their LOIs in the early signing period when they knew there was a looming ongoing NCAA investigation.
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If these guys don't even want to play for Coach Martin, then I think we have bigger issues than just letting these guys go. I'm hoping he can sell himself and the program's future to them, and convince them to stay. If not, whether they sit out and year or get fully released isn't something I'm concerned with. As far as I'm concerned, they signed up to play for UT, not Pearl. That's the bigger picture here.
 
#71
#71
deehop said:
They shouldnt have to meet the new coach if they have chosen to go elsewhere. The school should release them in this circumstance.
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They don't have to meet with anyone. They can choose to sit out for one year or give the man 5-10 minutes of their time so he can talk to them. No harm in that. "This ain't inter murals brother"
 
#72
#72
droski said:
i'm sure you were against malik jackson transferring from USC right?
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You are comparing apples to oranges. Malik was allowed to transfer without sitting out a year because of an NCAA ruling. I guarantee that USC would not have allowed him to transfer to UT if it were up to them.

No such ruling exists for players signing an LOI. I'm inclined to leave it up to Coach Martin, and certainly not to posters on this board, nor to Mike Hamilton. I can see a problem with morale if you force them to stay; however, they did sign a contract with the school.

Let's say that Pearl had not violated any NCAA rule. And, Tony Jones recruits a player who decides to come to Tennessee primarily because of Tony. Then, Tony Jones leaves for another school. Now, should this player still be allowed out of his LOI? Where do you draw the line?

The NCAA leaves it up to the school for a reason. Kids can claim all sorts of reasons for nullifying a LOI and sometimes it could even be for illegal activites like we are hearing about at Auburn.
 
#74
#74
We lose both of them, chalk it up to Pearl and his transgressions, not the kids and their indecision. Their indecision wouldn't be there had Bruce toe'd the line and kept his **** together.
 
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