Lol @ the CCM haters

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volbeast33 said:
If you were mad that they hired him, then you are more than likely to want him fired after every single loss. I want to give him a chance but have worries about him getting it done.....There are a few coaches out there that I would have wanted fired from the beginning on if Tennessee had hired them.
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Unless you disagreed with/questioned their ethical standards, or something else off the court, that's pretty reactionary and narrow-minded.

Nothing wrong with disagreeing with the hire, but to want someone fired without giving them a fighter's chance is silly.

Sure, everyone wants the big name, but we don't do the hiring. Give guys a shot before you write them off. That's very myopic.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Unless you disagreed with/questioned their ethical standards, or something else off the court, that's pretty reactionary and narrow-minded.

Nothing wrong with disagreeing with the hire, but to want someone fired without giving them a fighter's chance is silly.

Sure, everyone wants the big name, but we don't do the hiring. Give guys a shot before you write them off. That's very myopic.
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I disagree with that bc this is what being a fan is all about.....If you think they made a horrible hire and we are going to suck for the next four years bc they usually at least get three to four yrs to show what they can do....why would u be supportive of that?

I am ok with young coaches and give them a chance until they prove that they cant do the job.....Its like Dooley......he had a losing record at his old job....I supported him until it was obvious he could not get it done but I can understand why others wanted him fired before he stepped foot on campus.
 
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Stoked4Zo said:
CCM is 3-0 vs Billy D, which IMO is the best coach in the SEC. Let that sink in you clowns that wanted him fired. Please eat some crow this morning for breakfast :crazy:
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I agree with your overall point, but there is absolutely no way that Donovan is a better coach than Calipari or Frank Martin.
 
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utvolpj said:
probably because the bball forum police wouldn't allow them to get a post in without calling them out on past comments.

the team looked bad at times this season and the criticism was warranted. Anyone who doesn't see that is as clueless as those who overreacted during the same stretch
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I'll easily admit that I had about lost faith earlier in the year when we were struggling to get to 40 points and were playing such ugly ball.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I disagree with that bc this is what being a fan is all about.....If you think they made a horrible hire and we are going to suck for the next four years bc they usually at least get three to four yrs to show what they can do....why would u be supportive of that?

I am ok with young coaches and give them a chance until they prove that they cant do the job.....Its like Dooley......he had a losing record at his old job....I supported him until it was obvious he could not get it done but I can understand why others wanted him fired before he stepped foot on campus.
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I can understand being frustrated, but to me, being a fan is about cheering for the team irrespective of players or personnel. We can't control the hirings and firings if coaches. We can support them, until, as you said, it becomes clear they cannot do the job. I'm of the belief that whoever is hired deserves a chance to prove he can or can't win. I have no control otherwise, so it does me no benefit to call dor his head the day after he's hired. I'm just setting myself up for a likely three-year minimum sentence of misery.

I respect your opinion and point of view, in spite of my disagreement.
 
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VKAman said:
I agree with your overall point, but there is absolutely no way that Donovan is a better coach than Calipari or Frank Martin.
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Two national titles and three (legit and recognized) Final Four appearances for Donovan to one national title and two Final Four appearances collectively for Cal and Martin seem to suggest otherwise.
 
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I'm a 'Pearl Guy' because of what he did for a program that had historically been an afterthought to UT fans. He's the only coach in my lifetime to make us relevant on a national level. That being said, I don't think he's above criticism...he tended to recruit 'athletes' rather than true basketball guys...his teams were stagnant at times on the offensive end...and some guys weren't ever motivated to play D...and he brought the wrath of the NCAA onto our program.

Being a 'Pearl Guy' doesn't mean I want CCM fired. I think the fanbase needs to be rational though. Last year's team seemed to overachieve, but at the end of the season was an NIT team. This year's team was horrible early on, but to CCM's credit, they seem to have righted the ship and are playing inspired ball right now. Some fans see it as CCM making the necessary changes and 'fixing' a broken team...while others say this is how the team should've been playing all season, but haven't due to the coaching (or lack thereof). However you see it, they're still not a 'tournament team' as of today and if one of the Big 3 (Golden, McRae, Stokes) suddenly goes cold again, they won't be.

At the least, CCM work needs to be based on more than a season and a half. I'm hoping like heck that the guy gets it done because the last thing we need at this point is Hart making another hire.
 
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VKAman said:
I agree with your overall point, but there is absolutely no way that Donovan is a better coach than Calipari or Frank Martin.
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Bahaha are you serious? Cal is not a good coach, just a good recruiter and this year proves that.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I can understand being frustrated, but to me, being a fan is about cheering for the team irrespective of players or personnel. We can't control the hirings and firings if coaches. We can support them, until, as you said, it becomes clear they cannot do the job. I'm of the belief that whoever is hired deserves a chance to prove he can or can't win. I have no control otherwise, so it does me no benefit to call dor his head the day after he's hired. I'm just setting myself up for a likely three-year minimum sentence of misery.

I respect your opinion and point of view, in spite of my disagreement.
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Even if I dont support the coach, I still always support the team and hope for the best. Wanting the coach fired or talking about the negative and positive things going on with the program are what message boards are for.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
I'll easily admit that I had about lost faith earlier in the year when we were struggling to get to 40 points and were playing such ugly ball.
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lots of people did (probably more than would admit it). When you couple the on-court play with all the crap UT fans have been put through with all sports the past few years it tends to wear even the biggest "VFL" out there. I've liked CCM since he was hired but it was ugly some times (and he knows that)

people also have to remember that VN kinda rolls in waves. Some people are left behind by certain waves and then work too hard to make up for it by trying to create a new one. Been on here a long time and have seen this happen several times
 
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It just seems silly to me that people can come on here spewing nonsense about how he should be fired midway through his 2nd year and the mods say nothing. However, as soon as people start calling them out for being wrong then those people doing the calling out are on a witch hunt. Makes no sense.
 
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CCM has slowly won me over in 2 years but all the wins against Florida, Vandy, and UK won't matter if we don't make the tournament for a 2nd straight year.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Even if I dont support the coach, I still always support the team and hope for the best. Wanting the coach fired or talking about the negative and positive things going on with the program are what message boards are for.
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I agree. Just remember that making definitive statements about a coach's ability on a message board a year and a half or less into his tenure could blow up in your face (not directed at you, rather to the collective "your").
 
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CAVol said:
It just seems silly to me that people can come on here spewing nonsense about how he should be fired and the mods say nothing. However, as soon as people start calling them out for being wrong then those people doing the calling out are on a witch hunt. Makes no sense.
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if you ignore the mod thing it would make more sense to you. I'm allowed to be a regular poster with an opinion. I simply stated it and was asked why "the mods" didn't do anything. The answer should be obvious since both arguments were allowed to stand

stupid isn't always deleted and that's on purpose. Of course some things are just way too stupid for the board to ever see. Some posts just defy logic
 
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utvolpj said:
if you ignore the mod thing it would make more sense to you. I'm allowed to be a regular poster with an opinion. I simply stated it and was asked why "the mods" didn't do anything. The answer should be obvious since both arguments were allowed to stand

stupid isn't always deleted and that's on purpose. Of course some things are just way too stupid for the board to ever see. Some posts just defy logic
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My apologies, then. I thought you were speaking from your position as a moderator.
 
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CAVol said:
My apologies, then. I thought you were speaking from your position as a moderator.
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no big deal. Unless the post says something like "knock it off" then just assume any mod is posting as a regular old UT fan like anyone else
 
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utvolpj said:
geez learn to read what I said and don't overreact so much. Criticism of his coaching was absolutely warranted at times this season
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Well I am here so go ahead and take your shots at me.

Yes I have been very critical of CCM and to a lessor extent certain players, however if you cannot admit that criticism was well warranted then you are blind as a bat. I remain pleasantly surprised by the Vols level of play during this six game run and as I said to BTO previously I hope their winning ways continue!

Frankly, I think that the Vols need to win out in order to make the dance. If they do not win out and do not make the AA tourney it will just be another underwhelming season with an "almost" at the end.

Here's to hoping the Vols play well enough to win the next three games - maybe they will get a blow-out or two to add an exclamation point for the AA committee. I will go on to say that if Zo can get this team to the AA tourney this year that would be quite an accomplishment!!!

Now bring on the flaming darts.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I agree. Just remember that making definitive statements about a coach's ability on a message board a year and a half or less into his tenure could blow up in your face (not directed at you, rather to the collective "your").
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It wouldnt be the first time, I wanted Fulmer fired from the day he was hired and could not stand him. I had to bite my tongue as I was running around celebrating the National Championship we won under him. LOL
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I think they owe it to Clay Travis; this is 2 years in a row that the Vols have turned it around after he's publicly stated Martin needs to go.
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Why does anyone listen to his dribble anymore? Isn't he an ex Vol who is now a Commode Door? Kinda like Finebaum & bummer?
 
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#73
Ive shown my face plenty around here and have admitted that I was wrong and was too hard on the team, Stokes and Martin. Ive already eaten my crow, and you know what? Im loving that I have to eat it! This is what I expected all season long, now Im getting it. Have you seen any negativity from me in past 2-3 weeks? lol
 
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cncchris33 said:
Two national titles and three (legit and recognized) Final Four appearances for Donovan to one national title and two Final Four appearances collectively for Cal and Martin seem to suggest otherwise.
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They suggest that teams tend to do well when you have two NBA All-Star big men BOTH decide to stay for three years.
 
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