Lol @ the CCM haters

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VKAman said:
They suggest that teams tend to do well when you have two NBA All-Star big men BOTH decide to stay for three years.
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So, Donovan receives no credit for this, or were they successful in spite of his average coaching ability? Who recruited those players? Who taught and coached those players for three years? Also, simply having a lot of talent doesn't always translate to success, let alone back-to-back titles.

Those two All-Star forwards weren't exactly slam dunk prospects coming out of high school either.
 
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JoseDaMofo said:
Nobody's asking for a uniformed opinion. It's the endless bantering about extremes that is relentlessly continued.
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Agree.

Yet as aggravating as it gets, posters read it. If it wasn't there, they would be off the site because there isn't enough news to keep people interested.

jmo, of course. I'm middle of the road. Never get too high and never get too low.
 
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vols 30 said:
You guys keep saying the pearl lovers never show up. I've been here. Was here last night, I respond when called out. Can't speak for the rest of them, but at least 1 shows up. I hope CM keeps proving me wrong, and I'm getting ready for my apology thread.
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I didn't call them Pearl lovers. I called them the Legion of the Miserables. They find piss and vinegar even in anything that is positive. Kind of like your Pearl backhanded compliment even after UT is on a 6 game winning streak. Understand?

Again, if people would step back and actually look at the situation fairly instead of coming in here posting the first thing that comes to their mind after a loss then there would be less embarrassment for them.

Me, Sparty, bTNo, ccncchris33 and others have been critical of the coaching staff when it is warranted. We just don't go overboard and start freaking out after each loss. I've said it countless times and I'll say it again, the jury is still out on Martin. He's going to get 3 years at the minimum though. If that chaps your ass then I suggest you find something else to do with your time.
 
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utvolpj said:
well, have fun spending your day following a huge win calling out a couple posters for overreacting. Seems like a worthwhile effort and one that makes for a great forum for discussion
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It's more than a couple of posters. If you think otherwise then you haven't been reading the threads.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Yes but most of the posters I don't really count because they only post when things are bad.
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That's still more than a couple. The original argument was that only a couple of posters have been saying fire Martin. That's utter horsesh*t. I can rattle off more than 2 easily.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
That's still more than a couple. The original argument was that only a couple of posters have been saying fire Martin. That's utter horsesh*t. I can rattle off more than 2 easily.
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It was just as bad on the other side of the fence in the off season....Zo couldn't blow his nose without someone posting on here about how good he did it and how proud they was that he was our coach....it got pretty nauseating.
 
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cncchris33 said:
So, Donovan receives no credit for this, or were they successful in spite of his average coaching ability? Who recruited those players? Who taught and coached those players for three years? Also, simply having a lot of talent doesn't always translate to success, let alone back-to-back titles.

Those two All-Star forwards weren't exactly slam dunk prospects coming out of high school either.
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He's lucky that those two players were both rich enough to turn down guaranteed NBA contracts when 99.9% of players would have made the opposite decision. Guess what happens if that's true for Anthony Davis? MKG? Wall?
 
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We have owned Donovan for a while now, and part of that is because he's easily the most overrated coach in the nation. I don't say that to take anything away from Martin, though, as I think he's done a fantastic job (aside from leaving McBee on Marshall Henderson all game long).
 
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VKAman said:
He's lucky that those two players were both rich enough to turn down guaranteed NBA contracts when 99.9% of players would have made the opposite decision. Guess what happens if that's true for Anthony Davis? MKG? Wall?
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I agree I think wade Houston was a better coach than billy donovan.....Billy D just had much much much better players.
 
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VKAman said:
We have owned Donovan for a while now, and part of that is because he's easily the most overrated coach in the nation. I don't say that to take anything away from Martin, though, as I think he's done a fantastic job (aside from leaving McBee on Marshall Henderson all game long).
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We have, for whatever reason, owned Florida the past few yrs but judging by floridas record in billy d tenure they have not been owned by many teams.
 
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volbeast33 said:
It was just as bad on the other side of the fence in the off season....Zo couldn't blow his nose without someone posting on here about how good he did it and how proud they was that he was our coach....it got pretty nauseating.
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That's always the problem, there isn't a lot of middle ground. It was horrible with Dooley; either people wanted him fired halfway through his second season, or people thought he was for sure the answer and wanted to give him all the time in the world.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
You don't actually think any of the usual Debbie's are gonna show up do you?
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I have been at points during the season and said I don't think we're good. But to be fair, we weren't. I've never really said anything about Martin other than I started wondering if he's the right coach for the job. I always thought with the way this season had been going, he has to produce next year or it's over. But I've always pulled for him to be successful because I will never pull against the Vols, in any sport. I'm not in Tennessee and I can't even see the baseball games but I still pull for the baseball team and saddened when they lose. I'm a Tennessee fan through and through so as long as he's here, I'm pulling for him. To be fair though, people do have a right to be down when our teams aren't playing very well. I do it in all sports with all of my teams. I don't outright talk crap about the team but I acknowledge they're not good and that I'm disappointed in losing. Not everyone can blindly follow and be positive. Especially as a Tennessee fan as of late.
 
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#95
To see what this group is capable of and to remember the slop we watched before this hot streak makes me sad......And that my friends is coaching.
 
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VKAman said:
He's lucky that those two players were both rich enough to turn down guaranteed NBA contracts when 99.9% of players would have made the opposite decision. Guess what happens if that's true for Anthony Davis? MKG? Wall?
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What happens if all those Florida guys stay for their senior year? We can play the "if" game all day. The fact is, it's not Cal's recruiting design/tactic to keep those guys three or four years. He sells all these top-15 kids on the fact he can get them to the NBA in one year. He expects them to all leave, regardless of financial security, and recruits a new batch each year. That's not Donovan's method.

I'm absolutely shocked that you think Donovan is just a run of the mill coach despite a mountain of evidence to the contrary, even preferring Frank Martin over him.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
And the people who know the game and follow it didn't react like 12 year old girls either. They questioned some of the tactics used, but wasn't calling for him to be fired.
Everything isn't as black and white as they want to make it. It took the team awhile to figure out how to play without Maymon. Stokes hadn't even played a full season and had to adjust to double teams. Golden had been injured and he was not nearly as confident as he was last year. Once he got healthy, UT started their 6 game winning streak.

UT has had only one truly bad loss on their resume, but you would think they had lost to a number of bad teams based on the venom spewed by the Miserables. Again, the Legion of the Miserables usually have no damn clue what the hell they are watching and have zero experience teaching the game to even give a smidgen of meaningful advice. Every loss had the same morons coming in saying Martin should be fired. Now they've won 6 straight and they're nowhere to be found. F'n pathetic. They would rather hope UT and Martin fail instead of swallowing their pride and admitting they were wrong.
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You said the same thing last year and we had to lose ten games "before the players would buy into his system" this year so kma.
 
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knowthevols said:
You said the same thing last year and we had to lose ten games "before the players would buy into his system" this year so kma.
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I didn't say jack sh*t last year. They had some bad losses in Dec. Everyone knew it. Then they got Stokes and started figuring each other out. I'd rather peak in Feb-Mar instead of Nov-Dec.

Martin also inherited a roster that was very limited on experience thanks to Pearl's lack of recruiting and his only two players not making it into UT.

I'll just let you stew in your piss and vinegar stew. It's much more comical watching the Legion of the Miserables gnash their teeth and look like complete and utter fools. You play the part perfect.
 
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