Long SEC season ahead I'm afraid

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Playball said:
Correction, That was directed towards those who are suggesting that DS i'snt a good coach because of our win lost record, that's just nonsense! Or those who are implying we don't have the right guys, plz, if you're a baseball guy, you can't make that comment knowing we have 18 freshmen playing in a conf like the SEC. If you're one of those guy's, then yes im directing the previous post towards you. If you're not, sorry to lump you into my previous post, didn't mean to imply or lump everyone into it. Lots of great posts by knowledgeable people!
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I reviewed this thread, and I have no idea who you think you're calling out.

There is one post several pages back that disses UT coaches and Dave Hart in general, and it was answered by several that defended Serrano.

There are several posts that could be construed as being open to the possibility that we don't have the right guys or all the right guys. But those are reasonable questions raised by people who have shown more knowledge of college baseball than you have so far revealed yourself to possess.

You don't advance the discussion by simply pointing out how young the team is. Everybody already knows that. Besides, it is fair to ask which of those 18 freshmen will grow into key contributors to a competitive SEC program, especially given the fact that only a handful of them had the kind of prep ratings or pro interest you expect of players who eventually succeed in the SEC.

The fact is there is a vast talent difference between UT and the contending programs in the conference--and it goes much deeper than youthfulness. Florida has more Top 100 ranked prep players in their freshman class than we have Top 500 players on our roster. You show no awareness of how wide the talent spread is.

What would happen, for example, if Godley went down for a few weeks with a muscle strain like he did last year? Our Saturdays would look like last Sunday and our Sundays would be human rights violations.

Compare that scenario to what happened with South Carolina last weekend when Westmoreland couldn't answer the bell on Friday. Friday starter hurt? No problem. They just promoted a 7th round draft pick from the bullpen, and he gave them a strong start and the win.

Or compare how we're using Quillen this year to how Vandy used their best freshman pitcher last year. Vandy took a first round draft choice and slowly brought him along, starting with brief midweek outings, gradually extending him, and finally introducing him to weekend action later on. Now as a soph, he claims the #2 spot in the rotation and is already 5-0 with a microscopic ERA. We, on the other hand, take an unheralded, undrafted freshman and make him the Saturday starter right out of the gate. Q and Bettencourt and a couple others have shown grit and seem well worth cheering for, but throwing them right into the fire is a high-risk developmental plan. Serrano is doing it only because he has no other options. That's the hand he was dealt.

As far as implying we don't have the right guys, you'd better believe Serrano is asking that very question every day. Serrano can't afford to be sentimental about any players who don't convince him quickly they are part of the long-term solution. This freshman class will probably see attrition almost comparable to last year's, so it's best not to get too attached to any one player or any one class. (Just ask the sophomore and junior pitchers who have been relegated to crime scene clean-up duty in blow out games.)

If you want to join a serious discussion, we will welcome your constructive comments. But if you just want to pretend you're smarter than everyone, please do it somewhere else.
 
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ShowmeVols said:
I reviewed this thread, and I have no idea who you think you're calling out.

There is one post several pages back that disses UT coaches and Dave Hart in general, and it was answered by several that defended Serrano.

There are several posts that could be construed as being open to the possibility that we don't have the right guys or all the right guys. But those are reasonable questions raised by people who have shown more knowledge of college baseball than you have so far revealed yourself to possess.

You don't advance the discussion by simply pointing out how young the team is. Everybody already knows that. Besides, it is fair to ask which of those 18 freshmen will grow into key contributors to a competitive SEC program, especially given the fact that only a handful of them had the kind of prep ratings or pro interest you expect of players who eventually succeed in the SEC.

The fact is there is a vast talent difference between UT and the contending programs in the conference--and it goes much deeper than youthfulness. Florida has more Top 100 ranked prep players in their freshman class than we have Top 500 players on our roster. You show no awareness of how wide the talent spread is.

What would happen, for example, if Godley went down for a few weeks with a muscle strain like he did last year? Our Saturdays would look like last Sunday and our Sundays would be human rights violations.

Compare that scenario to what happened with South Carolina last weekend when Westmoreland couldn't answer the bell on Friday. Friday starter hurt? No problem. They just promoted a 7th round draft pick from the bullpen, and he gave them a strong start and the win.

Or compare how we're using Quillen this year to how Vandy used their best freshman pitcher last year. Vandy took a first round draft choice and slowly brought him along, starting with brief midweek outings, gradually extending him, and finally introducing him to weekend action later on. Now as a soph, he claims the #2 spot in the rotation and is already 5-0 with a microscopic ERA. We, on the other hand, take an unheralded, undrafted freshman and make him the Saturday starter right out of the gate. Q and Bettencourt and a couple others have shown grit and seem well worth cheering for, but throwing them right into the fire is a high-risk developmental plan. Serrano is doing it only because he has no other options. That's the hand he was dealt.

As far as implying we don't have the right guys, you'd better believe Serrano is asking that very question every day. Serrano can't afford to be sentimental about any players who don't convince him quickly they are part of the long-term solution. This freshman class will probably see attrition almost comparable to last year's, so it's best not to get too attached to any one player or any one class. (Just ask the sophomore and junior pitchers who have been relegated to crime scene clean-up duty in blow out games.)

If you want to join a serious discussion, we will welcome your constructive comments. But if you just want to pretend you're smarter than everyone, please do it somewhere else.
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Q and Bettencourt "well worth cheering for?" Cheering for? pound salt book worm! you write well and are clearing up to date on every stat in the SEC, but you clearly haven't played this game past the age of 10!

And yes i know how this works, because you throw a ball like a girl your feeling are now hurt so you'll quote me and attempt to blow me up with all your stats. save it, your time is better spent looking for an online date.

For those of you who asked about kid, unfortunately he's out for the season with a leg injury. Here's wishing him a speedy recovery. Go vols!!!! keep grinding boys, we believe in you!!!! unconditionally!!!!!!
 
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BruinVol said:
Nope. The cure is to keep them from having twice as many scholarships as the rest of the SEC. There is a reason they are number 1 in recruiting every year and its not because they have been to Omaha multiple times since they haven't. They are the biggest choke artist in college baseball.
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Brian, I've worked with 2 guy's who received 90% rides to vandy. Both rides were broke up into both athletic and academic scholarships. Both wonderful people, but not the thickest books on the shelves if you know what i mean.

All private institution with large bank rolls work along those same lines. fair? no! The solution in my opinion is to amend title 9 to exclude football and up the amount of scholarships given to the men's programs. Not holding my breath.
 
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Playball said:
Q and Bettencourt "well worth cheering for?" Cheering for? pound salt book worm! you write well and are clearing up to date on every stat in the SEC, but you clearly haven't played this game past the age of 10!

And yes i know how this works, because you throw a ball like a girl your feeling are now hurt so you'll quote me and attempt to blow me up with all your stats. save it, your time is better spent looking for an online date.

For those of you who asked about kid, unfortunately he's out for the season with a leg injury. Here's wishing him a speedy recovery. Go vols!!!! keep grinding boys, we believe in you!!!! unconditionally!!!!!!
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:lolabove: This post made me think of the new Volkswagen commercial.

Showme's reply should be very entertaining as well.
 
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BruinVol said:
Nope. The cure is to keep them from having twice as many scholarships as the rest of the SEC. There is a reason they are number 1 in recruiting every year and its not because they have been to Omaha multiple times since they haven't. They are the biggest choke artist in college baseball.
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I've not focused on UT baseball as much as basketball and football, but do you have any sources or citations about Candybilt and this type of activity? I don't mean to be rude or anything, but after watching all the rumors and bs stories regarding Football coaching this past year, I'm skeptical of anything that doesn't have source information backing it up.

Fact of the matter is, UT is just a young team this year, and will probably not hit stride until next year, or possibly late this season depending on how things go.

Even if Candy is cut down for some alleged "violations" You'd also have to factor in schools like Belmont, MTSU, ETSU, Austin Pea, pretty much every major school aside from Lipscomb, all of which are doing solid and above .500 this year in the win-loss category.

Vanderbilt is good, no denying it, but they aren't the best team out there, not by a long shot, and even if they do go down, there's still far more tallent in Tennessee and the larger SEC in general that it doesn't mean we'll improve.

More than likely, the team will start to really come together by the end of the year, and really hid the stride next season. And in the mean time, if that doesn't work, I've already ordered by Elite Eight tickets to see the Lady Vols and whoever they will play.
 
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Playball said:
Q and Bettencourt "well worth cheering for?" Cheering for? pound salt book worm! you write well and are clearing up to date on every stat in the SEC, but you clearly haven't played this game past the age of 10!

And yes i know how this works, because you throw a ball like a girl your feeling are now hurt so you'll quote me and attempt to blow me up with all your stats. save it, your time is better spent looking for an online date.

For those of you who asked about kid, unfortunately he's out for the season with a leg injury. Here's wishing him a speedy recovery. Go vols!!!! keep grinding boys, we believe in you!!!! unconditionally!!!!!!
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Playball,

Please accept my apologies. I had no idea you were so riddled by insecurities that a little civil disagreement would send you over the brink into such a dramatic demonstration of psychological projection of your anxieties onto a perfect stranger. Had I known how fragile you are, I would have let your earlier comments pass. I know better now what can be expected from you.

If you do manage to compose yourself, please try to find time to explain why you associate competent writing with athletic ineptitude. I'd hate to think you harbor doubts about yourself in both areas.

Get well soon.
 
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VolBuck86 said:
I've not focused on UT baseball as much as basketball and football, but do you have any sources or citations about Candybilt and this type of activity? I don't mean to be rude or anything, but after watching all the rumors and bs stories regarding Football coaching this past year, I'm skeptical of anything that doesn't have source information backing it up.

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I certainly can't link any of the need based issues I claim that are indeed an issue. I know enough people in the high school coaching world that I believe without a shadow of a doubt that this is being abused and breaks rules. It is my hope that somebody at the University of Tenn has enough backbone to ask the NCAA to look into the books at Vandy. Once that's done and non baseball players are receiving equal need based money then vandy is in the clear. I would bet serious money that's not the case.
 
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ShowmeVols said:
Playball,

Please accept my apologies. I had no idea you were so riddled by insecurities that a little civil disagreement would send you over the brink into such a dramatic demonstration of psychological projection of your anxieties onto a perfect stranger. Had I known how fragile you are, I would have let your earlier comments pass. I know better now what can be expected from you.

If you do manage to compose yourself, please try to find time to explain why you associate competent writing with athletic ineptitude. I'd hate to think you harbor doubts about yourself in both areas.

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I find your lack of knowledge towards the game of baseball entertaining. You wouldn't know what "projectability" is unless it came with directions. Because if you did, you wouldn't name 2 freshmen and say their "well worth cheering for". As if they have no future in the SEC. I choose to look at their ceiling based off their tools in conjunction with their age.

I'm getting the feeling you were one of those kids who were always picked last during recess dodge ball due to your lack of kinetic athletic ability. It's ok my friend, some people were born to be athletic, and some to be skip bayless types, such as you.

Would you like me to ask one of the guys if they would play catch with you? it's cheaper than therapy.

One last word that best describes you, "FAHRVERGNUGEN"
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Playball said:
I find your lack of knowledge towards the game of baseball entertaining. You wouldn't know what "projectability" is unless it came with directions. Because if you did, you wouldn't name 2 freshmen and say their "well worth cheering for". As if they have no future in the SEC. I choose to look at their ceiling based off their tools in conjunction with their age.

I'm getting the feeling you were one of those kids who were always picked last during recess dodge ball due to your lack of kinetic athletic ability. It's ok my friend, some people were born to be athletic, and some to be skip bayless types, such as you.

Would you like me to ask one of the guys if they would play catch with you? it's cheaper than therapy.

One last word that best describes you, "FAHRVERGNUGEN"
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OK, Mr. Superscout, who "worked with" the Vandy pitchers and knows so much about baseball.

Let's pretend you're the expert you say you are.

Give us your rundown on this freshman class. Who projects? Which of them will get called in the 2015 draft? Give us your thumbnail scouting report on the two best pitching prospects in the freshman class. Describe their best pitches and what they need to work on. What's their current and projected velo? Then do the same with the two best freshman position prospects. Which tools play? Which ones won't? What are their strengths and weaknesses as hitters?

Then, go ahead and give your prediction for the Vols' conference and overall records for this year. This shouldn't be hard for someone with your exalted level of baseball intelligence to do since the season is already a third of the way over. Come on! Stake out some ground and mark it as your own. If your predictions and projections come to pass, we'll hail you as a baseball guru.

Give us a reason to believe you're something more than a pathetic poser.

Everybody else here has contributed and given evidence they know something about the team and something about the game. Even the ones I think are too enthusiastic at least show they're paying attention.

And you? So far, you got nothing. Just a lot of mouth. Bring something to the table beyond the schoolyard taunts and boasts that reveal your own insecurities and immaturity.
 
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Playball, please god stop acting like a child. If you feel the need to respond, please don't make the mistake of thinking your supposed athletic prowess holds any meaning on a DISCUSSION forum. We are all supposed to be on the same team here. We are rooting for this team and your son. Keep that in mind.
 
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ShowmeVols said:
OK, Mr. Superscout, who "worked with" the Vandy pitchers and knows so much about baseball.

Let's pretend you're the expert you say you are.

Give us your rundown on this freshman class. Who projects? Which of them will get called in the 2015 draft? Give us your thumbnail scouting report on the two best pitching prospects in the freshman class. Describe their best pitches and what they need to work on. What's their current and projected velo? Then do the same with the two best freshman position prospects. Which tools play? Which ones won't? What are their strengths and weaknesses as hitters?

Then, go ahead and give your prediction for the Vols' conference and overall records for this year. This shouldn't be hard for someone with your exalted level of baseball intelligence to do since the season is already a third of the way over. Come on! Stake out some ground and mark it as your own. If your predictions and projections come to pass, we'll hail you as a baseball guru.

Give us a reason to believe you're something more than a pathetic poser.

Everybody else here has contributed and given evidence they know something about the team and something about the game. Even the ones I think are too enthusiastic at least show they're paying attention.

And you? So far, you got nothing. Just a lot of mouth. Bring something to the table beyond the schoolyard taunts and boasts that reveal your own insecurities and immaturity.
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Showme, pay attention, I didn't say pitchers, plz try and follow along. Your ADD is affecting your ablity to keep up. Just know this, the baseball community is very small and you're not in it!!!! In the future, try and act like you're a vol supporter instead of a pretender! And for the record, I don't sit when you tell me too hush puppy! enough said, now off you go, you're merely a rock with lips.
 
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Playball,
You are way too close to this to be rational.
BTW, unless your son is a whole lot smaller than you, you would never talk to me that way in person.
Good luck with his start this weekend. I mean that. He has earned it.
 
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ShowmeVols said:
OK, Mr. Superscout, who "worked with" the Vandy pitchers and knows so much about baseball.

Let's pretend you're the expert you say you are.

Give us your rundown on this freshman class. Who projects? Which of them will get called in the 2015 draft? Give us your thumbnail scouting report on the two best pitching prospects in the freshman class. Describe their best pitches and what they need to work on. What's their current and projected velo? Then do the same with the two best freshman position prospects. Which tools play? Which ones won't? What are their strengths and weaknesses as hitters?

Then, go ahead and give your prediction for the Vols' conference and overall records for this year. This shouldn't be hard for someone with your exalted level of baseball intelligence to do since the season is already a third of the way over. Come on! Stake out some ground and mark it as your own. If your predictions and projections come to pass, we'll hail you as a baseball guru.

Give us a reason to believe you're something more than a pathetic poser.

Everybody else here has contributed and given evidence they know something about the team and something about the game. Even the ones I think are too enthusiastic at least show they're paying attention.

And you? So far, you got nothing. Just a lot of mouth. Bring something to the table beyond the schoolyard taunts and boasts that reveal your own insecurities and immaturity.
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One last thing, projecting the 2015 or any other draft compared to ones effectiveness at the college level is apples and oranges. simple minded at best
 
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ShowmeVols said:
Playball,
You are way too close to this to be rational.
BTW, unless your son is a whole lot smaller than you, you would never talk to me that way in person.
Good luck with his start this weekend. I mean that. He has earned it.
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Nice guess, but if i had a son playing here, i wouldn't be on a blog. have a great evening
 
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Sure.
There's lots of people in California who join this message board when the late signees get announced, immediately become passionate supporters of the coaches, announce their intention to attend early games, have inside information about the players on the team, and go nuts when they mistakenly perceive condescension in what was intended to be a complimentary reference to a player. Could be anyone. Go Vols!
 
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Playball said:
Alex Mistuloff quit, couldn't handle the load. Transferring to Chico State, A very good D2 school in cal.

On a side note, being a parent of a feshman on the team and not from TN, What's the best way to watch all the games home or away? Is there a network or streaming cam? Thanks in advance.
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At this point I'm throwing my popcorn at the screen. Its fine if a parent wants to be on here, but you should either not tell us and be anonymous, or you should act right. I imagine players could care less about what goes on in this forum but you are doing nothing good for your son by acting like this. FYI: You can click on your name and see all your previous posts in case you were wondering.
 
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Lol. Even Barney could have caught this one red handed!

Parents and message boards don't mix!
 
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BigOrange51 said:
At this point I'm throwing my popcorn at the screen. Its fine if a parent wants to be on here, but you should either not tell us and be anonymous, or you should act right. I imagine players could care less about what goes on in this forum but you are doing nothing good for your son by acting like this. FYI: You can click on your name and see all your previous posts in case you were wondering.
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:lolabove: Wow! I didn't necessarily open this thread to out Mr. Playball. He very succinctly did that himself. SMH!
 
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BruinVol said:
I certainly can't link any of the need based issues I claim that are indeed an issue. I know enough people in the high school coaching world that I believe without a shadow of a doubt that this is being abused and breaks rules. It is my hope that somebody at the University of Tenn has enough backbone to ask the NCAA to look into the books at Vandy. Once that's done and non baseball players are receiving equal need based money then vandy is in the clear. I would bet serious money that's not the case.
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The NCAA has investigated the way Vanderbilt hands out academic and "need-based" scholarship money to athletes in equivalency sports (baseball included) in the recent past and they have determined that everything falls under the letter of the law, even if not the spirit.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
The NCAA has investigated the way Vanderbilt hands out academic and "need-based" scholarship money to athletes in equivalency sports (baseball included) in the recent past and they have determined that everything falls under the letter of the law, even if not the spirit.
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Not at all questioning this is true but I have heard of no such inquiry. I assume those findings are public record. Where would I find them??
 
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Very entertaining thread to say the least. There are about 4 conversations, 2 arguments, and one goat roping going on at the same time. At any rate, the name calling and condescending replies are the fun part of the give and take. I hope no one would be serious about actually finding someone and starting a fight over a post on a message board.......but if you do, let the rest of know about it.

The Vanderbilt financial aid sounds a lot like the old Nebraska rule which went something like every county got a full academic scholarship for one student to attend NU. Seems like the majority of these scholarships were going to real big guys who just happened to play football. I think the NCAA stopped this one.

The majority of the students who attend Vanderbilt do receive a boatload of financial aid from one place or another. If the normal student has the same access to this type of aid then it's really not much different than the Hope Scholarship.

All secondary sports are able to stack financial aid and then add in a percentage of athletic scholarship money and only the percentage counts towards the 11.7 scholarships available in baseball. The NCAA did deem that the smallest percentage of athletic scholarship that could be given to a baseball player is 25% (I think). Football on the other hand can only give full rides in D1 (I think).

Fahrvergnugen
 
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