Looking ahead...Maymon at the SF

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zansdad

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I know this is very early for this, but I really would like to see Maymon play at the SF next year. When he is on the floor now, UT switches almost all screens with him, so he has shown he can guard smaller guys. Plus with him playing the SF that is one less guy to jack up 3 points shots. He is one of the better ball handlers on the team, and he seems comfortable playing away from the paint. And if teams tried guarding him with a smaller guy, he could just post them up and go to work.

He would need to continue to work on his endurance and quickness, and of course a jump shot out to about 12 feet. I like a line-up of Stokes, Maymon, Hall, Richardson/McCrae, Golden. That puts a true center on the floor, lets Stokes play his natural position, and gets your best 5 players on the floor at the start of the game (I like Hall as long as his confidence is up). I know Maymon might have a hard time guarding some guys, but if this line-up plays hard then they would dominate the paint and force other teams to adjust to it by going big as well.

Heck now that I have typed it out, I think I am all for it this year. Maybe a losing his starting spot would light a fire under Cam.
 
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why would you mess with a guy who just put up 15 point and 19 boards? his strength is in the post, if he hasnt developed an outside shot by now he isnt goint to simple as that. not only that but putting hall out there is not your best 5, keeping hall on the bench and someone emerging at the wing is your best 5 IMO. you have mcbee, richardson, mcrae, chievous, reese, and edwards all competing for 2 spots, dont throw maymon into the mix too. keep maymon where he is, the guy is performing at an all-sec level why mess with that?
 
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zansdad said:
Why, not might I ask? Is it Hall playing or do you not think Maymon can defend other SF's or that his offensive game isn't suited to the SF?
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because he is honestly one of the best post players in the sec at this point, when you combine offense and defense. you dont mess with someone who is playing as well as he is.
 
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The 3 position needs to be able to have decent range shooting away from the basket. I cringe when I see him jack a shot from the top of the key. He is a true Dennis Rodman type PF.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
why would you mess with a guy who just put up 15 point and 19 boards? his strength is in the post, if he hasnt developed an outside shot by now he isnt goint to simple as that. not only that but putting hall out there is not your best 5, keeping hall on the bench and someone emerging at the wing is your best 5 IMO. you have mcbee, richardson, mcrae, chievous, reese, and edwards all competing for 2 spots, dont throw maymon into the mix too. keep maymon where he is, the guy is performing at an all-sec level why mess with that?
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I just don't think that Maymon's 15 points and 19 boards comes from being "in the post". They come from his willingness to hit the offensive glass, which he can do from anywhere on the floor. If you look at Maymon's output this season, his scoring is tied almost directly to his rebounding. He is not a back to the basket low post kind of guy. He is much better, face up 10-12ft away, where he can use his ability to go left or right to his advantage. Couple that with the fact that he is a fairly good passer, and I see more pluses with him playing 10-12 feet from the basket than with his back to it on the low block.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
because he is honestly one of the best post players in the sec at this point, when you combine offense and defense. you dont mess with someone who is playing as well as he is.
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He is one of the best players. I don't think it has to do with him being in the post or not. And moving him to a position that allows him to touch the ball more, in a position where he is comfortable with it has to be a good thing.

I will concede that he doesn't seem to possess much of an outside shot. But with the strength of this team being on defense and in the paint, I look at that as a good thing not a bad thing. He won't be as likely to take a lot of 3's. Think more JP Prince on offense, just wider, much much wider.

And P.S. The point of me quoting the other post was to get him to answer. I pretty much know where you stand on all things I post. :eek:k:
 
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bham_orange said:
The 3 position needs to be able to have decent range shooting away from the basket. I cringe when I see him jack a shot from the top of the key. He is a true Dennis Rodman type PF.
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How do you say that? Rodman had almost no offensive skill set. He was freakishly athletic for his height and understood that rebounding was his strength. Maymon has a much more complete set of skills. I will admit shooting much beyond 10ft doesn't seem to be in it, but to call his a Rodman type is a bit unfair.

And why does the 3 have to be able to shoot from decent range? If you have 3 big men, and them being on the floor together lets you dominate the paint, I don't see that any of them needs to be able to shoot from long range.
 
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zansdad said:
I just don't think that Maymon's 15 points and 19 boards comes from being "in the post". They come from his willingness to hit the offensive glass, which he can do from anywhere on the floor. If you look at Maymon's output this season, his scoring is tied almost directly to his rebounding. He is not a back to the basket low post kind of guy. He is much better, face up 10-12ft away, where he can use his ability to go left or right to his advantage. Couple that with the fact that he is a fairly good passer, and I see more pluses with him playing 10-12 feet from the basket than with his back to it on the low block.
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imagine him in cameron tatums place on the floor, and thats why. he catches it outside the 3 point line who respects that? hell who respects maymons shot from 10 feet? not only that but as you stated he's gonna crash the boards so he crashes their c rebounds it, outlets to the pg now its their 1-3 running down the court and our 1-2 trying to defend. you cant have maymon crashing the boards when their 3 is running down the court.
 
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zansdad said:
He is one of the best players. I don't think it has to do with him being in the post or not. And moving him to a position that allows him to touch the ball more, in a position where he is comfortable with it has to be a good thing.

I will concede that he doesn't seem to possess much of an outside shot. But with the strength of this team being on defense and in the paint, I look at that as a good thing not a bad thing. He won't be as likely to take a lot of 3's. Think more JP Prince on offense, just wider, much much wider.

And P.S. The point of me quoting the other post was to get him to answer. I pretty much know where you stand on all things I post. :eek:k:
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the reason maymon is such an effective driver is because he is driving against the oppositions 5. if he tried to drive against the jeffrey taylors or beals or gilchrists of the sec they would strip him faster than you can blink.
 
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zansdad said:
How do you say that? Rodman had almost no offensive skill set. He was freakishly athletic for his height and understood that rebounding was his strength. Maymon has a much more complete set of skills. I will admit shooting much beyond 10ft doesn't seem to be in it, but to call his a Rodman type is a bit unfair.

And why does the 3 have to be able to shoot from decent range? If you have 3 big men, and them being on the floor together lets you dominate the paint, I don't see that any of them needs to be able to shoot from long range.
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can you name 1 succesful team that starts a lineup like this in college? a sf who is maymons size, cant shoot outside of 8 feet, and rebounds double digits?
 
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zansdad said:
How do you say that? Rodman had almost no offensive skill set. He was freakishly athletic for his height and understood that rebounding was his strength. Maymon has a much more complete set of skills. I will admit shooting much beyond 10ft doesn't seem to be in it, but to call his a Rodman type is a bit unfair.

And why does the 3 have to be able to shoot from decent range? If you have 3 big men, and them being on the floor together lets you dominate the paint, I don't see that any of them needs to be able to shoot from long range.
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Rodman was an offensive threat in college. I think if Maymon is successful in the NBA, it will be rebounding and defense just like Rodman.

To your second point. The paint is only so big. 3 big men will just get in each other's way. Good offense in basketball is about good spacing. You have to have some shooters around the perimeter to draw the d out of the paint to give your low post guys an oppurtunity to score. You need to stop your basketball posts while you are ahead and count your losses. Obviously you didn't play much basketball growing up and it sounds like you don't watch much either.
 
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bham_orange said:
rodman was an offensive threat in college. I think if maymon is successful in the nba, it will be rebounding and defense just like rodman.

to your second point. The paint is only so big. 3 big men will just get in each other's way. Good offense in basketball is about good spacing. You have to have some shooters around the perimeter to draw the d out of the paint to give your low post guys an oppurtunity to score. You need to stop your basketball posts while you are ahead and count your losses. Obviously you didn't play much basketball growing up and it sounds like you don't watch much either.
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i tried to make it simple to understand, put maymon in tatum's spot on the floor and tell me how it looks? the opposing sf would laugh at him on the perimeter and would back off 20 feet. also, maymon is effective driving because he is guarded by a 5 that is usually much bigger and slower than he is, if he was trying to drive on a 3 he would go nowhere.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
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i tried to make it simple to understand, put maymon in tatum's spot on the floor and tell me how it looks? the opposing sf would laugh at him on the perimeter and would back off 20 feet. also, maymon is effective driving because he is guarded by a 5 that is usually much bigger and slower than he is, if he was trying to drive on a 3 he would go nowhere.
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agreed.
 
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bham_orange said:
and you would say maymon and Jp prince are the same size. Com'on Man!!!!!!!
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your not supposed to answer this for him i really wanted him to come out and make the comparison that 6'7" 265 lb jeronne maymon is as quick as 6'7" 200 lb jp prince. priceless this gets better and better.
 
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bham_orange said:
Rodman was an offensive threat in college. I think if Maymon is successful in the NBA, it will be rebounding and defense just like Rodman.

To your second point. The paint is only so big. 3 big men will just get in each other's way. Good offense in basketball is about good spacing. You have to have some shooters around the perimeter to draw the d out of the paint to give your low post guys an oppurtunity to score. You need to stop your basketball posts while you are ahead and count your losses. Obviously you didn't play much basketball growing up and it sounds like you don't watch much either.
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Oh, that's why I come to Volnation to get pearls of wisdom from people like you who make assumptions about things/people that they don't have nearly enough information to make. You keep posting all this stuff and I might be to make wild guess about other people too some day.
 
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