Looking ahead...Maymon at the SF

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bleedingTNorange said:
your not supposed to answer this for him i really wanted him to come out and make the comparison that 6'7" 265 lb jeronne maymon is as quick as 6'7" 200 lb jp prince. priceless this gets better and better.
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You simply said name a team that started a guy Prince's size at the SF. I named one. Height wise they are the same. Plus Maymon routinely guards guys on the perimeter. If you look at my original post I believe I stated it there, and that's what led to this line of thinking. IF Maymon can guard on the perimeter WOULD we be better with him at the SF. If you think he can't guard the perimeter, then why does Martin let him do it now?
 
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zansdad said:
Oh, that's why I come to Volnation to get pearls of wisdom from people like you who make assumptions about things/people that they don't have nearly enough information to make. You keep posting all this stuff and I might be to make wild guess about other people too some day.
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No, no assumptions. I'm sorry you thought I was assuming. You laid it all out there for us.
 
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zansdad said:
You simply said name a team that started a guy Prince's size at the SF. I named one. Height wise they are the same. Plus Maymon routinely guards guys on the perimeter. If you look at my original post I believe I stated it there, and that's what led to this line of thinking. IF Maymon can guard on the perimeter WOULD we be better with him at the SF. If you think he can't guard the perimeter, then why does Martin let him do it now?
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heres my quote:
can you name 1 succesful team that starts a lineup like this in college? a sf who is maymons size, cant shoot outside of 8 feet, and rebounds double digits?

trouble with reading comprehension?
 
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bham_orange said:
and you would say maymon and Jp prince are the same size. Com'on Man!!!!!!!
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They are the same height (nearly) and have basically the same offensive liabilities. Neither can/could shoot consistently outside 12 feet. Prince was more of a slasher, and Maymon more of a physical presense, but they both handle it well for their size, like to rebound, and are above average passers.
 
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zansdad said:
They are the same height (nearly) and have basically the same offensive liabilities. Neither can/could shoot consistently outside 12 feet. Prince was more of a slasher, and Maymon more of a physical presense, but they both handle it well for their size, like to rebound, and are above average passers.
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what part dont you get about this...

prince was FAST, QUICK, SLASHING for a SF

maymon is FAST, QUICK, SLASHING for a c

IF YOU PUT MAYMON AT C HE WOULD NO LONGER BE FAST OR QUICK HED BE SLOW FOR THE POSITION

the other aspect of this thats already been touched on is that how many guys do you want in the post. if you have maymon, stokes, and hall out there with richardson thats 4 guys who cant shoot the 3. if you post maymon on a sf the paint will be clogged with everyone slacking off their man, and kenny, and stokes defenders being in the post seeing as how thats where kenny and stokes play is the post.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
heres my quote:
can you name 1 succesful team that starts a lineup like this in college? a sf who is maymons size, cant shoot outside of 8 feet, and rebounds double digits?

trouble with reading comprehension?
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No I comprehend fine. Tennesse started JP Prince at SF during the 2010 NCAA tourney run. They are comparable in size, though Maymon is significanly heavier than Prince. Neither can shoot from beyond 8 ft (or at least haven't demonstrated it), and Prince was usually a high average rebounder for his position (3.7) for his career. However, Maymon isn't averaging double digit rebounds either (7.7). So while it is not exactly to your specifications it is "like" your specifications. You always turn simple discussions into personal assualts?
 
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bham_orange said:
No, no assumptions. I'm sorry you thought I was assuming. You laid it all out there for us.
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Very good then. How long did I have to play when I was younger for it to be acceptable for you? 1 year enough? 2 maybe? And how many games do I have to watch a week to be accepted into your petty little person club?
 
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zansdad said:
No I comprehend fine. Tennesse started JP Prince at SF during the 2010 NCAA tourney run. They are comparable in size, though Maymon is significanly heavier than Prince. Neither can shoot from beyond 8 ft (or at least haven't demonstrated it), and Prince was usually a high average rebounder for his position (3.7) for his career. However, Maymon isn't averaging double digit rebounds either (7.7). So while it is not exactly to your specifications it is "like" your specifications. You always turn simple discussions into personal assualts?
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size has just as much to do with frame as heighth. Size doesn't just mean how tall you are. Comparing Maymon and prince is just stupid. I can't believe I have stayed up this long to argue with an imbicile.
 
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zansdad said:
No I comprehend fine. Tennesse started JP Prince at SF during the 2010 NCAA tourney run. They are comparable in size, though Maymon is significanly heavier than Prince. Neither can shoot from beyond 8 ft (or at least haven't demonstrated it), and Prince was usually a high average rebounder for his position (3.7) for his career. However, Maymon isn't averaging double digit rebounds either (7.7). So while it is not exactly to your specifications it is "like" your specifications. You always turn simple discussions into personal assualts?
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do you realize what kind of effect 70 lbs would have at this position? maymon would be SLOW!!! and even though jp isnt remembered for being a good outside shooter his senior year he was around 35%, thats jordan mcrae or woolridge numbers, he atleast COULD shoot it. exactly maymon averages double what prince did rebounding that is pretty significant actually. like i said if you can point out any team with a guy around maymons size, and 70 lbs weight difference isnt close, then maybe you have a point.
 
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zansdad said:
Very good then. How long did I have to play when I was younger for it to be acceptable for you? 1 year enough? 2 maybe? And how many games do I have to watch a week to be accepted into your petty little person club?
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being picked last out on the playground doesn't count.
 
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bham_orange said:
being picked last out on the playground doesn't count.
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the fact we are comparing prince and maymon stiff baffles me, 70 lbs weight difference serioiusly??? why dont we just start jarnell stokes at pg i mean hes close to the same size as golden and we could post him up against their pg ya know!
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
the fact we are comparing prince and maymon stiff baffles me, 70 lbs weight difference serioiusly??? why dont we just start jarnell stokes at pg i mean hes close to the same size as golden and we could post him up against their pg ya know!
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lol! I just spit all over my screen.
 
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im going to try and make this as easy as possible, heres your lineup...

golden
richardson
maymon
stokes
hall

i'll be uk this year

teague
gilchrist
miller
jones
davis

now when you try and post up maymon on miller, you also have your real posts stokes and hall in the paint. so now in the paint you have maymon/his defender, stokes/his defender, hall/his defender that is way too crowded to do anything. ok so say you send hall out, well hall's defender in this case davis knows hall aint shooting so he shades down low to help on the maymon post. this does nothing to help you in anyway possible.
 
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zansdad said:
Why, not might I ask? Is it Hall playing or do you not think Maymon can defend other SF's or that his offensive game isn't suited to the SF?
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This. Maymon can't shoot outside 8 feet. Why should we put him on the perimeter completely taking away his strengths?
 
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If we re going to be competing for the SEC or making the tourny next year our starting five can't include Golden at the point or have Hall in it. The post with Stokes and Maymon is one of the best in the SEC and could be one of the best in the nation next year. (if they stop turning it over so much.) Golden has heart but just simply isnt a pg he cant handle the pressure of it and just isnt consistent enough to be the man. Heres to hoping next year we have a true pg, Golden at sg, and I truly believe next season Richardson will be an All SEC performer at 3 spot, to go with our bigs we already have in place. GBO!
 
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UTjonez said:
If we re going to be competing for the SEC or making the tourny next year our starting five can't include Golden at the point or have Hall in it. The post with Stokes and Maymon is one of the best in the SEC and could be one of the best in the nation next year. (if they stop turning it over so much.) Golden has heart but just simply isnt a pg he cant handle the pressure of it and just isnt consistent enough to be the man. Heres to hoping next year we have a true pg, Golden at sg, and I truly believe next season Richardson will be an All SEC performer at 3 spot, to go with our bigs we already have in place. GBO!
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The best thing for this team would be if stanton was a stud pg and was able to come in here and run the show. That is really the only scenario right now it appears that will remove golden from the starting pg position. i thinkg he will be fine next year if he is our pg, this guys has played 1/2 a season at pg, is only a sophomore, and doesnt have much help from his other guards. what he is doing is actually pretty impressive if you step back and view it like it is. with that said he doest have alot to improve on if he is going to be our pg. the biggest thing is decision making and that comes with time, practice, and experience. he has a sg mentality, he needs to gain a pg mentality. he has to know when to shoot, when to pass it up, when to push, when to slow it down, how far to drive in the lane, if i drive this far spoon feed it when i go up in the air. all these things are just specific areas that through playing PG you get better and better at it doesnt happen overnight, i fully think that if golden were to dedicate himself to it in the off season he would be fine.
 
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Maymon can play anywhere from the 3 to the 5, depending on the matchup, and they switch a lot of stuff anyway. It doesn't matter if he can't shoot it long range. He's not going to play 3 against a zone. Get the right combo in and he could tear a 3 up inside until the other coach adjusts.
 
#46
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Spartacavolus said:
Maymon can play anywhere from the 3 to the 5, depending on the matchup, and they switch a lot of stuff anyway. It doesn't matter if he can't shoot it long range. He's not going to play 3 against a zone. Get the right combo in and he could tear a 3 up inside until the other coach adjusts.
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i would be worried about maymon trying to guard a 3 all game. can you imagine him trying to guard beal, gilchrist, taylor? on the flip side on offense yes he'd have a clear matchup advantage inside but when you have stokes and hall out there too, both of those guys defenders will also be in the paint shading on maymon so its not like he would be able to go one on one all night vs a 3.
 
#47
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Stoerner's Fumble said:
Ignorance is truely bliss. Dennis Rodman? Really?!?!
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thats not the worst comparison in this thread. the comparison that maymon's body is like prince's and therefore maymon could play the 3 was by far the worst. i believe the poster was simply referring to them both being rebounding and defensive machines and that most of their baskets are going to come within about 5 feet of the game.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
i would be worried about maymon trying to guard a 3 all game. can you imagine him trying to guard beal, gilchrist, taylor? on the flip side on offense yes he'd have a clear matchup advantage inside but when you have stokes and hall out there too, both of those guys defenders will also be in the paint shading on maymon so its not like he would be able to go one on one all night vs a 3.
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That's why I said it would depend on the matchup. At no time did I suggest he guard a 3 all game or be put in a bad matchup. There are other 3's out there besides the top ones in the league.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
That's why I said it would depend on the matchup. At no time did I suggest he guard a 3 all game or be put in a bad matchup. There are other 3's out there besides the top ones in the league.
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my apologies i thought you were agreeing with the op that stated he thought maymon should start at SF next year, i thought thats what you were going with. out of curiousity though what 3 in this league would you feel wouldnt abuse maymon on offense? i just really feel that there arent many, if any 3's in this league that maymon would be able to keep up with for more than a play or 2. on top of that i dont see it being that big of an advantage for us on offense for reasons i stated earlier, and then on top of that i feel like your taking arguably our best post defender and rebounder and moving him away from the basket. IMO i just dont see any sort of situation in which we would benefit from this.
 
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Stoerner's Fumble said:
Ignorance is truely bliss. Dennis Rodman? Really?!?!
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I'm not saying he is anywhere the same level as Rodman. Their playing styles are similar. They both crash the boards and score mainly from offensive put backs. Hence the word I used "type".
 
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