Looks like beer at Neyland was a success

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utvolpj said:
All choices you make when spending your money. Markets work
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So as it turns out... after dressing her up all cute and waiting very patiently (to my surprise) to see Santa, my daughter wasn't a big fan and I didn't get the picture... dang... haha

I see this has spiraled into a weird "should we allow price-gouging during natural disasters" thing... I'm not going to even touch on how absurd that topic is...

Anyways, it's blatantly apparent that people don't understand how capitalistic markets work...

Markets have multiple players to keep prices competitive... the stadium is a marketplace... right now there is no market because it's a monopolized by the University... We, as Americans, have almost entirely done away with monopolies in the US besides government-funded power grids and, in some places, cable/internet providers (because monopolies in a marketplace have always been terrible for consumers)... In fact, it was one of the more history-noted presidents of the United States, Republican Teddy Roosevelt that was the main force in "breaking up the big banks and powers that be that were 'too big to fail'" through the anti-trust movement, because it wasn't healthy for them to exist in the economy... is not some radical socialistic scheme... this is pointing out a price-gouged unhealthy marketplace that has no means of self-correction.

If Neyland sold 3rd party licenses to sell consumables, prices would correct themselves... they would level to the standards society set... I understand a couple dollar premium for a sporting event... if a water costs $3, ok... $6 is outrageous... somebody would open up a $4 water booth, then a $3 water booth... maybe even a $2 water booth... it would be a race to 'retail price+booth cost+margin' if left ungoverned... THAT is capitalism... THAT is an economic market... what YOU keep referring to as "free-market capitalism" is prices that are monopolized and dictated to the masses with no form of natural correction in place...

For example... If I was allowed to open up a booth at Neyland and set a "fair market price", they'd be forced to lower prices to a reasonable value that's competitive for consumers or keep prices the same in your section and count on the laziness of people to dictate if it's worth saving the money to travel to my booth... THEN you have a choice... you can walk halfway around the stadium to my booth for the $3 water, pay $6 at the closest station, or pay $7 to the drink dude walking down the aisle... there would likely be a price gradient from my booth to the other side of the stadium... that would be a free market...

That doesn't exist... it's just outrageous pricing for no particular reason, taking advantage of the people that come every Saturday to support the product (that's been quite questionable of late prior to the end of this season) on the field...

So to all the far-right Republican people that tried to turn me pointing out the obvious price-gouging the University has done with their concessions into a political conversation... you're on the wrong side of your own party's consensus

Nobody's asking for free stuff... nobody's asking for anything unreasonable... the opposite of that... I would prefer that prices were reasonable... 1-2 dollars above retail...

If I just flat asked "Who would buy more concessions if prices were set at typical retail?" If anybody's being honest and isn't in a position where money is NO OBJECT, the return is 100% yes.... If I asked "Who would appreciate concessions priced at a level that doesn't make you cringe every time you make a purchase?" 100% yes...

I don't know how this got into humanitarian aid during natural disasters but if you're ok with price-gouging water during a natural disaster then A) you've clearly never been in a median-low income situation ever in your life, B) If you have, you've definitely never been at that level during a natural disaster that affected you, and C) you're an *******
 
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Behr said:
I disagree about the analogy. I get his point, but not everyone wants an Applebee's or Olive Garden right outside their back door. I don't. But that doesn't mean I don't want to go to those places. Well, I don't want to go to Applebee's. Lol.

Same with beer at Neyland. Plenty of people might drink beer, but won't at the game because they have to drive afterwards or whatever other reason and prefer it wasn't sold there.

Just because all that is good and pleased some, doesn't mean it does everyone.

But whatever, I'm for it but I do understand others are not. No biggie just my opinion.
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I'll never understand people who are against things because they aren't for it...

The smoking section thing for example... you're aware there's tons of Volunteer fans that smoke... you're also aware if they set up a section outside of the stadium it wouldn't in any way be a public health hazard to anyone but the smokers that entered it... but because you don't smoke, you're "against" a convenience for people that do...

Note: I'm not putting words in your mouth or criticizing you... just a "for example"

If they set beer prices to something high but reasonable... like... $8... it's still super expensive to get "drunk" in the stadium... there's still going to be alcoholic tailgates all around the stadium... it's still going to be 2 hours of sober up time after beer sales ends at halftime... it's still going to be up to the individual to not chug a pint of Jim Beam before they hop in the car and kill somebody behind the wheel... there's not many public events that alcohol isn't sold at and it's never been a major issue at any of those... I don't understand how a football game changes any of those circumstances

I'm a Libertarian myself... I don't think shrinking the choice people have in life corrects their bad decision-making... in fact, often it does the opposite
 
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PoweredByTheT said:
I'll never understand people who are against things because they aren't for it...

The smoking section thing for example... you're aware there's tons of Volunteer fans that smoke... you're also aware if they set up a section outside of the stadium it wouldn't in any way be a public health hazard to anyone but the smokers that entered it... but because you don't smoke, you're "against" a convenience for people that do...

Note: I'm not putting words in your mouth or criticizing you... just a "for example"

If they set beer prices to something high but reasonable... like... $8... it's still super expensive to get "drunk" in the stadium... there's still going to be alcoholic tailgates all around the stadium... it's still going to be 2 hours of sober up time after beer sales ends at halftime... it's still going to be up to the individual to not chug a pint of Jim Beam before they hop in the car and kill somebody behind the wheel... there's not many public events that alcohol isn't sold at and it's never been a major issue at any of those... I don't understand how a football game changes any of those circumstances

I'm a Libertarian myself... I don't think shrinking the choice people have in life corrects their bad decision-making... in fact, often it does the opposite
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Maybe all them smokers that are mad about no smoking section should pony up money and get the AD and University to build one...... Everyone loves to talk and complain about something without walking the walk.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Maybe all them smokers that are mad about no smoking section should pony up money and get the AD and University to build one...... Everyone loves to talk and complain about something without walking the walk.
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they have gates... manipulating them into a section would cost zero dollars
 
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PoweredByTheT said:
they have gates... manipulating them into a section would cost zero dollars
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In your opinion of course it would cost zero dollars.


Once again, if enough people are upset about it, quit yapping about it and actually do something about it.
 
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PoweredByTheT said:
So as it turns out... after dressing her up all cute and waiting very patiently (to my surprise) to see Santa, my daughter wasn't a big fan and I didn't get the picture... dang... haha

I see this has spiraled into a weird "should we allow price-gouging during natural disasters" thing... I'm not going to even touch on how absurd that topic is...

Anyways, it's blatantly apparent that people don't understand how capitalistic markets work...

Markets have multiple players to keep prices competitive... the stadium is a marketplace... right now there is no market because it's a monopolized by the University... We, as Americans, have almost entirely done away with monopolies in the US besides government-funded power grids and, in some places, cable/internet providers (because monopolies in a marketplace have always been terrible for consumers)... In fact, it was one of the more history-noted presidents of the United States, Republican Teddy Roosevelt that was the main force in "breaking up the big banks and powers that be that were 'too big to fail'" through the anti-trust movement, because it wasn't healthy for them to exist in the economy... is not some radical socialistic scheme... this is pointing out a price-gouged unhealthy marketplace that has no means of self-correction.

If Neyland sold 3rd party licenses to sell consumables, prices would correct themselves... they would level to the standards society set... I understand a couple dollar premium for a sporting event... if a water costs $3, ok... $6 is outrageous... somebody would open up a $4 water booth, then a $3 water booth... maybe even a $2 water booth... it would be a race to 'retail price+booth cost+margin' if left ungoverned... THAT is capitalism... THAT is an economic market... what YOU keep referring to as "free-market capitalism" is prices that are monopolized and dictated to the masses with no form of natural correction in place...

For example... If I was allowed to open up a booth at Neyland and set a "fair market price", they'd be forced to lower prices to a reasonable value that's competitive for consumers or keep prices the same in your section and count on the laziness of people to dictate if it's worth saving the money to travel to my booth... THEN you have a choice... you can walk halfway around the stadium to my booth for the $3 water, pay $6 at the closest station, or pay $7 to the drink dude walking down the aisle... there would likely be a price gradient from my booth to the other side of the stadium... that would be a free market...

That doesn't exist... it's just outrageous pricing for no particular reason, taking advantage of the people that come every Saturday to support the product (that's been quite questionable of late prior to the end of this season) on the field...

So to all the far-right Republican people that tried to turn me pointing out the obvious price-gouging the University has done with their concessions into a political conversation... you're on the wrong side of your own party's consensus

Nobody's asking for free stuff... nobody's asking for anything unreasonable... the opposite of that... I would prefer that prices were reasonable... 1-2 dollars above retail...

If I just flat asked "Who would buy more concessions if prices were set at typical retail?" If anybody's being honest and isn't in a position where money is NO OBJECT, the return is 100% yes.... If I asked "Who would appreciate concessions priced at a level that doesn't make you cringe every time you make a purchase?" 100% yes...

I don't know how this got into humanitarian aid during natural disasters but if you're ok with price-gouging water during a natural disaster then A) you've clearly never been in a median-low income situation ever in your life, B) If you have, you've definitely never been at that level during a natural disaster that affected you, and C) you're an *******
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All debating aside, I hate that you didn't get the picture with your daughter.

I think it's hard to say that a couple of dollars above retail would be a fair price. When you consider retail to be a grocery store, gas station, or whatever. You are comparing a storefront that has customers everyday against a stadium that is open for a few hours 7 days out of the year.

And for Me it goes back to a decision. The stadium is part of the free market. You can choose to spend money to go to that stadium. Or you can go to a different game. Or you can watch at home. When I go to a game, it's for the experience. So the cost of water is part of that experience. I buy a new truck, I can't be mad because diesel fuel cost more. That's part of my decision to buy the truck. I could have purchased a smaller truck or even keep current one I have.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
You do realize that we are talking about during times of emergency. You really are on the losing end today aren't you?
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Not at all. Wanting to use government to limit what a business can sell is wrong, disaster or not.
 
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I am not having a debate but I went to 5 games this year and the Garth Brooke’s concert. I honestly don’t care if people drink, but this report can’t be accurate. I saw way more drunks - passing out, falling, spilling beers, starting fights and overall being a nuisance than anytime since I was in the student section 10 years ago. I go to at least 3 games a season and live in Knoxville. Garth show was definitely the worst though. I ain’t against it just think a 2-3 drink minimum with a scannable bracelet or something would be better.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Not at all. Wanting to use government to limit what a business can sell is wrong, disaster or not.
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During disasters... people buying up wholes of necessary products are doing it to.....

A) Make sure they have enough water to last through the nuclear bombs that are sure to follow
B) Flex their existential muscles for a mate
C) Price gouge for resell
 
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PoweredByTheT said:
During disasters... people buying up wholes of necessary products are doing it to.....

A) Make sure they have enough water to last through the nuclear bombs that are sure to follow
B) Flex their existential muscles for a mate
C) Price gouge for resell
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The argument is about businesses. Not individuals buying so they can mark it up for profit solely.
 
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#146
Grudenator said:
And quadruple the arrest lol
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I had a friend that owned a beer joint in Nashville years ago. Not in the best or worst area of town then, somewhere in between. Other beer joints in his area were charging around a $1 per beer. His charge for beer was $1.10. I had a good beer buzz going one day when this occurred to me, so I asked him, "Why the dime difference?" He said, "That dime has saved me thousands of dollars over the years. It keeps the riff raff out!" So true, then as now the cheaper the beer the more the riff raff shows up and acts out. Unlike some whippersnappers here at VN, I recall a day when home computers were in the $3000 to $5000 range. The internet was much more civil and safer. When home computers could be had for a $1000 or less, somebody's grandma unsolicited wants to send you a pic of her crotch and it's the wild wild west online. Just ANOTHER reason the beer is $12 at Neyland.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
A very big one.
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I agree... it's 10x more dispicable for the corporation to mark it up during times of need than the "entrepreneurial" random human

The corporation is not doing it to "preserve the stock"... o_O

It's sobering to me that I'm having to push an argument to somebody that's on the side of it being OK for stores to price-gouge during national emergencies
 
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VFLCodyGBO said:
I’d love to, let me just use my water bottle I’m not allowed to bring in.
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I tried to fill a water bottle at a fountain once in Neyland, every time a toilet flushed the stream changed, got more water on the floor and my hand than I got in the bottle, not to mention the water looked like it was from the wrong side of the flush.
 
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#149
Remy said:
I had a friend that owned a beer joint in Nashville years ago. Not in the best or worst area of town then, somewhere in between. Other beer joints in his area were charging around a $1 per beer. His charge for beer was $1.10. I had a good beer buzz going one day when this occurred to me, so I asked him, "Why the dime difference?" He said, "That dime has saved me thousands of dollars over the years. It keeps the riff raff out!" So true, then as now the cheaper the beer the more the riff raff shows up and acts out. Unlike some whippersnappers here at VN, I recall a day when home computers were in the $3000 to $5000 range. The internet was much more civil and safer. When home computers could be had for a $1000 or less, somebody's grandma unsolicited wants to send you a pic of her crotch and it's the wild wild west online. Just ANOTHER reason the beer is $12 at Neyland.
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That's what I said in an earlier post. $12 beers are a market function ensuring those that don't mind paying it have plenty of it available to buy and those that are all butt hurt over it probably shouldn't be drinking anyway. I would imagine most of the complainers probably enjoy a comfortable enough life that spending $50 on some beer at a game isn't going to hurt them but they're just cheap asses wanting something for nothing.
 
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PoweredByTheT said:
I agree... it's 10x more dispicable for the corporation to mark it up during times of need than the "entrepreneurial" random human

The corporation is not doing it to "preserve the stock"... o_O

It's sobering to me that I'm having to push an argument to somebody that's on the side of it being OK for stores to price-gouge during national emergencies
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Okay but you’re wrong though.....

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